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I've seen too many people asking all kinds of things about AI's (Aromatase Inhibitor) such as Letrozol, Aromasin, etc. to suppress natural estrogen to keep growth plates open to allow more height growth.
Short answer, Do not fucking not take it.
Long answer,
First off, AI's are used to treat women with breast cancer, do you have breast cancer? Didnt think so. Secondly, it's used in bodybuilding by men, yes, but only when one is using compounds that aromatize to estrogen = testosterone or its derivates.
Because even the meatheads there know that there is literally no point crashing your estrogen for any major reason (marginal, probably not even measurable) growth not being one.
Moreover, in puberty fucking with your vital hormones should already be something considered self-evident not to do?!
Well, what if I decide to crash my estrogen with AI?
- low sex drive (probably one of your least concerns anyway)
- excess fat around the belly
- bone loss
- osteoporosis
- mood swings (depression)
- Fatigue
- Anxiety
- Irritability
- Depression
- Forgetfulness
- Oversleeping or sleeping too often
- Sexual dysfunction
- Water retention
Should those be enough to make you think twice? I sincerely hope so.
Estrogen also has a lot of properties supporting mental health in men, it's not regarded as "the most important" hormone for males, that being testosterone, but the important effects of estrogen for males are usually overlooked.
Also, the closing of epiphyseal plates is a combination of both estrogen and testosterone, so should you crash your T too to be optimal?
Okay, I won't use AI to help with heightmaxx, what can I do?
Apart from the obvious, proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, enough sleep, etc, if you really want to go down the external compound-biohacking route, basically the only thing you can do is HGH/MK677.
Supposing you use MK677 (which you really should, don't start pinning), dose it at 5-10mg per day (No more because you will be running it for longer), because, after that, HGH secretion doesn't really increase, but IGF-1 (Insulin-like growth factor 1, basically just insulin) secretion does, which you don't want since it doesn't help with height growth.
IGF-1 also makes your life considerably harder, since if you don't want type 2 diabetes, you have to either get slinpills or other things to cut your blood sugar, or significantly cut carbs from your diet. (which sucks, I've done MK677 and not eating carbs/eating little carbs is fucking ass) So for your own good, dose it at 5 or 10mg for multiple months, because it takes time to see the effects of HGH and it doesn't start to work instantly, I would recommend at least 6 months.
And as always with MK677, you would want to be measuring your blood sugar levels, and not eat a shit ton of carbs even at 5-10mg, because at that dose, it still increases your IGF-1 levels, and as mentioned before, you don't want type 2 diabetes or high insulin resistance.
My own opinion is, that if you choose to use AI to keep the epiphyseal plates open, don't be surprised when you end up depressed. I also can't recommend MK677, but if you really have to get those few millimeters more, then that's your best bet. MK677 has also a lot of other usages for looksmaxxing, but this thread was about using it for heightmaxxing (might do another one later about its other appliances to looksmaxxing)
sources for your sceptical ass:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/estrogen-in-men#symptoms-of-low-estrogen
https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-319-44441-3_27
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/veterinary-science-and-veterinary-medicine/epiphyseal-plate
https://tctmed.com/estrogen-in-men/
Short answer, Do not fucking not take it.
Long answer,
First off, AI's are used to treat women with breast cancer, do you have breast cancer? Didnt think so. Secondly, it's used in bodybuilding by men, yes, but only when one is using compounds that aromatize to estrogen = testosterone or its derivates.
Because even the meatheads there know that there is literally no point crashing your estrogen for any major reason (marginal, probably not even measurable) growth not being one.
Moreover, in puberty fucking with your vital hormones should already be something considered self-evident not to do?!
Well, what if I decide to crash my estrogen with AI?
- low sex drive (probably one of your least concerns anyway)
- excess fat around the belly
- bone loss
- osteoporosis
- mood swings (depression)
- Fatigue
- Anxiety
- Irritability
- Depression
- Forgetfulness
- Oversleeping or sleeping too often
- Sexual dysfunction
- Water retention
Should those be enough to make you think twice? I sincerely hope so.
Estrogen also has a lot of properties supporting mental health in men, it's not regarded as "the most important" hormone for males, that being testosterone, but the important effects of estrogen for males are usually overlooked.
Also, the closing of epiphyseal plates is a combination of both estrogen and testosterone, so should you crash your T too to be optimal?
Okay, I won't use AI to help with heightmaxx, what can I do?
Apart from the obvious, proper nutrition, healthy lifestyle, enough sleep, etc, if you really want to go down the external compound-biohacking route, basically the only thing you can do is HGH/MK677.
Supposing you use MK677 (which you really should, don't start pinning), dose it at 5-10mg per day (No more because you will be running it for longer), because, after that, HGH secretion doesn't really increase, but IGF-1 (Insulin-like growth factor 1, basically just insulin) secretion does, which you don't want since it doesn't help with height growth.
IGF-1 also makes your life considerably harder, since if you don't want type 2 diabetes, you have to either get slinpills or other things to cut your blood sugar, or significantly cut carbs from your diet. (which sucks, I've done MK677 and not eating carbs/eating little carbs is fucking ass) So for your own good, dose it at 5 or 10mg for multiple months, because it takes time to see the effects of HGH and it doesn't start to work instantly, I would recommend at least 6 months.
And as always with MK677, you would want to be measuring your blood sugar levels, and not eat a shit ton of carbs even at 5-10mg, because at that dose, it still increases your IGF-1 levels, and as mentioned before, you don't want type 2 diabetes or high insulin resistance.
My own opinion is, that if you choose to use AI to keep the epiphyseal plates open, don't be surprised when you end up depressed. I also can't recommend MK677, but if you really have to get those few millimeters more, then that's your best bet. MK677 has also a lot of other usages for looksmaxxing, but this thread was about using it for heightmaxxing (might do another one later about its other appliances to looksmaxxing)
sources for your sceptical ass:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/estrogen-in-men#symptoms-of-low-estrogen
https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-319-44441-3_27
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/veterinary-science-and-veterinary-medicine/epiphyseal-plate
https://tctmed.com/estrogen-in-men/
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