Everything about pua is cringe

[Deleted member 6403]

From the dating “coaches” to the “bootcamps”

I can’t believe I fell for it for a min

 

[Deleted member 1140]

the psychology behind it actually works tho

but their marketing sucks and if you dont look at least average to above it wont work

 

[Amnesia]

Just get approached, it's much easier than doing it yourself

 

[Deleted member 245]

It's over if you ever fell for the PUA meme.

 

[gymcelalpha]

Just get approached, it's much easier than doing it yourself

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[eduardkoopman]

 

[randomuser2407]

It's only cringe because they approach girls who haven't given signs that they actually want to be approached. Because PUA is cringe we could think that talking with strangers has to be cringe also but not if the girl makes long eye contact with you first or if you are at a social event where it's socially acceptable to talk to new people, so that's basically the key to make friends and meet women. The more you go out to social events (or groups) or places where women are, the bigger the chance of finding a girl who likes you.

 

[randomuser2407]

Just get approached, it's much easier than doing it yourself

Most women don't "approach" men but they make the first move by showing through their body language (eye contact) if they like you or not. When you approach only the girls who show that they like you, your success rate is very close to 100%. That is why PUAs have a very low success rate, because they approach every girl, so in a group of 100 women where only 1 would show that she is interested, they approach the 100 women, that's the problem with PUAs.

Game can work but only if the girl already likes your looks. Game is only helpful to have interesting conversations that lead to sex more easily, it's not a miracle solution that will make subhumans get laid easily.

 

[wristcel]

Just get approached, it's much easier than doing it yourself

we wish! haha

but yeah, even though PUA is cringe, the idea of approahcing tonnes of girls has worked for me.
I've banged some hot girls who are way way way younger than me and out of my league who i'd never have met if it wasn't for swallowing the pua pill and approachibng and trying my luck etc.

But yeah, it's not magic. If you're not her type, then it's game over - the autists at 'skilled seducer' are the only ones left who fully believe that you can be 4ft tall and 70 years old and bang ANY (yes, any) teenage girl you want if you know game and neural linguistic prgraming and bla bla bla

Would be so funny to redpill them from some of the threads here involving slayers (they have their own 'slayers' but probably only larping, or just good looking guys who think it's their 'game') (there's one male model on that site who slays and thinks it's due to his 'game')

 

[Deleted member 7192]

i never once believed that shit

 

[Deleted member 6403]

cringing rn

thank god i never approached at my looks level, women below me approached me instead

 

[godsmistake]

the ones that believe in pua must also believe in magic as well. why else would they think that uttering certain phrases will charm ANY woman?

 

[wristcel]

the ones that believe in pua must also believe in magic as well. why else would they think that uttering certain phrases will charm ANY woman?

you should check out skilledseducer lol.
Some funny ass posters there who honestly believe they can use NLP and stuff to bang a girl who thinks you're hideous looking lol
They look up to Ross Jefferies and they legit think he could bang any teen he wanted too, IF he so desired someone so young

 

[randomuser2407]

the ones that believe in pua must also believe in magic as well. why else would they think that uttering certain phrases will charm ANY woman?

Yes, you are 100% right. https://killyourinnerloser.com/pickup-artists-are-theatrical-wizards/

 

[Cali Yuga]

heartiste/krauser type game will get you results if youre attractive enough

approaching and knowing how to talk to women can help you turn "maybe" girls into "yes" girls

it is not magic and it wont help you if every woman looks at you and thinks "absolutely no way"

the looks bar for game being able to increase your results gets higher every day

 

[Amnesia]

Face height frame appearing at least passably NT

thats all there is to attracting women. If u have good FHF (face height frame) then u can approach its fine, but even so GL guys get rejected when they approach esp cold approaching in like day time settings on the street

 

[Deleted member 4612]

PE>PUA

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Face height frame appearing at least passably NT

+ race and dick size

 

[NVRH]

the ones that believe in pua must also believe in magic as well. why else would they think that uttering certain phrases will charm ANY woman?

I remember when I was 14 there was a short and fatty guy who spent 2 weeks trying to seduce a girl during summer camp.
He was a true PUA autist and knew all the strats and slang by heart. Every day we'd ask him how were things going and he'd spend the night over analyzing everything. Fkin hilarious.

The last days, some high tier low inhib normie kissed the girl and they started dating each other.

JFL PUA autist was like "Hmm, this is obviously a strat cuz she felt she was starting to have feelings towards me and needed to reassert dominance in our seduction game, I'll feign indifference and tomorrow she'll be back... You'll see guys."

Ofc she never came "back" (cuz there was no "back" jfl she never noticed this subhuman was trying to date her) but he never stopped with his fantasy and was making plans like "hmmmm, I think she didn't want to fall in love during summer camp because of peer pressure but tomorrow I'll say her goodbye, leave my number and I'm 100% sure we'll start a LTR. She lives 600km away but that's not a prob cuz that will make her wanting me even more".

Insane. He was a nice guy so I genuinely felt bad for him, but y... Caged hard during 2 weeks.

 

[TURBO]

 

[EdouardManlet]

 

[Renaissance.Chad]

heartiste/krauser type game will get you results if youre attractive enough

Describe this style of game.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Most women don't "approach" men but they make the first move by showing through their body language (eye contact) if they like you or not. When you approach only the girls who show that they like you, your success rate is very close to 100%. That is why PUAs have a very low success rate, because they approach every girl, so in a group of 100 women where only 1 would show that she is interested, they approach the 100 women, that's the problem with PUAs.

Game can work but only if the girl already likes your looks. Game is only helpful to have interesting conversations that lead to sex more easily, it's not a miracle solution that will make subhumans get laid easily.

Most legit video, on the subject matter of women sending invitations to go talk with them. Most legit video I seen on that matter

 

[Lev Peshkov]

Just get approached, it's much easier than doing it yourself

Fucking chad

 

[Cali Yuga]

Describe this style of game.

Good game is just a set of techniques to convey the SMV you already have to women. It is most effective if you are already attractive to women but cant convert that attraction into sex/LTRs.

The heartiste/krauser style is loosely based on mystery method (Which is worth reading btw. Short, not badly written, interesting even though lots of it is kind of goofy. The fundamentals will help you if you struggle during interpersonal interactions with women. There are also some mystery method seminar videos on youtube that are interesting if you want something to listen to while you play video games or something.) Heartiste is a super influential early manosphere blog, pretty interesting content but some of it is pretty cringe/redpilled. Krauser wrote a bunch of books on the london daygame model which is a structure for how to approach women outside the nightclub/bar environment. You dont need to do autistic cold approach, though, for the basic structure to help you. The tools are general and can be used in whatever context in which you interact with women.

people meme on tools like negging, holding frame, passing shit tests etc. because most puas are such clowns and a lot of people use them as a cope but understanding them WILL help you in conversation with girls

 

[randomuser2407]

Most legit video, on the subject matter of women sending invitations to go talk with them. Most legit video I seen on that matter

Eye contact is the only thing that really matters when trying to see if a girl likes you or not. The girls who maintain eye contact with you for at least half a second have medium to high attraction for you, and those who maintain eye contact with you for 2 seconds or more have very high attraction to you. Also, if you look into a girl's eyes and she only looks at you for less than half a second, that means she is available and wanted to see who was checking her out but she is probably not attracted to you.

To have success when you approach a woman, she needs to have either medium availability and high attraction or medium attraction and high availability at least, otherwise it won't work.

You can also find out your true SMV rating with this technique, go out to a public place where there are lots of women and look into the eyes of each woman there. If the only ones who hold eye contact with you long enough to show at least medium attraction are 5/10 in looks, then your true rating is a 6/10, if they are 8/10, then your rating is a 9/10. The rating can change depending on the city that you are in.

The reason why there are some guys on this forum who have approached 500+ women and got rejected by each of them is because they were aiming for women who were out of their league. Even if you are a 4/10, women who are 3/10 are still attracted to you, but you don't see them because you have blinders on around them because you find them ugly and want the 8/10 or 9/10 woman instead which would never happen.

That is why a lot of guys remain incels for life, because their standards are so high that they don't even notice the girls who are on their level. The 80/20 rule is only applicable to online dating and that's especially the problem with online dating, it's too difficult for most men, but the quality of women you can get in real life is much higher than the ones you can get with shitty apps like Tinder. And if you only approach the girls who make long eye contact with you, instead of getting a 0-5% success rate, you'll get almost a 100% success rate because you won't waste time bothering the girls who aren't interested. Also, the best approach is an indirect approach where you use a random subject that you are interested in before complimenting her vibe or personality and then asking her out for drinks to get her number.

I learned all of that thanks to Roosh V's great book called Game. You can find it for free on libgen or zlibrary, the great thing is that it was published in 2018 so it's updated for today, you have to limit your approaches to 2 per venue and use mostly indirect approaches during the day to avoid being seen as a PUA.

 

[eduardkoopman]

if you only approach the girls who make long eye contact with you, instead of getting a 0-5% success rate, you'll get almost a 100% success rate because you won't waste time bothering the girls who aren't interested.

what is the defenition of success in this context?

You can also find out your true SMV rating with this technique, go out to a public place where there are lots of women and look into the eyes of each woman there. If the only ones who hold eye contact with you long enough to show at least medium attraction are 5/10 in looks, then your true rating is a 6/10, if they are 8/10, then your rating is a 9/10. The rating can change depending on the city that you are in.

Legit. concept. Gonna test it out.

The rason why there are some guys on this forum who have approached 500+ women and got rejected by each of them is because they were aiming for women who were out of their league. Even if you are a 4/10, women who are 3/10 are still attracted to you, but you don't see them because you have blinders on around them because you find them ugly and want the 8/10 or 9/10 woman instead which would never happen.
That is why a lot of guys remain incels for life, because their standards are so high that they don't even notice the girls who are on their level.

#me during muh pua days, in the first few years.
Also because I beleived I was 75-80 percentile out of 100. While in reality I was 50 percentile at most. So I was hitting on 7's as 5. Obviously not good return rates.

 

[Deleted member 5891]

with you for at least half a second have medium to high attraction for you, and those who maintain eye contact with you for 2 seconds or more have very high attraction to you

Are you sure??
I had many girls who maintained 2 seconds and some even over 10 JFL

 

[randomuser2407]

Are you sure??
I had many girls who maintained 2 seconds and some even over 10 JFL

Yes I am sure. Those who maintained eye contact with you for over 10 seconds were so attracted to you that you could have walked up to them and said almost anything, you could have been super direct by introducing yourself and starting a conversation. However, when they look at you for less than 2 seconds, usually, an indirect approach is better and less creepy, and has a higher success rate because if she only looked at you for less than 2 seconds, then there is a chance that she isn't interested, the longer the eye contact, the more she is attracted to you.

Also, sometimes girls will not even notice you because they are focused on something else but if you approach them they will actually like it if they are attracted to you, you can tell by their attitude and mood when you talk to them, if they smile a lot even though you didn't make eye contact earlier, that's another big sign of attraction.

I once approached a hot girl at a 5 star all inclusive resort in Mexico with a direct approach where I introduced myself and asked her what's her name and where she's from and she really liked it, I could tell because she actually smiled and gave me her contact information very quickly. However, back then, I was only able to open conversations, and it was only because I had met a successful pickup artist during my trip and he taught me some things about being direct with the women you approach. In that specific situation, I could have asked her out to a 1 hour date the next day in the afternoon or that same night. In fact, during that trip, I could have had sex with a 6 foot tall half asian blonde american but the night where it was supposed to happen, my plane was leaving and I was with my family. I had met that girl by joining a game of beach volleyball on the hotel beach. You can basically do the same thing in any other beach, I had also made a lot of friends through that volleyball game and other random things at that hotel.

Indirect is when you use another topic to start the conversation like by asking for help about something you are looking for or about whether something of hers is better than something else, you basically make her talk a lot, and then you move the topic onto yourself and start talking a bit about each other, then you compliment her mood or personality, then you close with her number. Indirect is much longer than direct but it's a good idea when you don't know if the girl actually likes you.

Direct is when you start talking about her right away after approaching her. A good opening line for especially when you don't know if she likes you or not would be: "Do I know you from somewhere?" It works because since you have been looking at each other for many seconds, she will either believe the opener because it fits well with the context or she'll be able to tell that it's just an excuse to talk to her but either way, it works because through eye contact she would have already shown that she likes you and if she didn't, then she'll reply negatively to the opening line.

The benefit of limiting yourself to only the girls who like you a lot is that you don't waste as much time, you don't get rejected as much and you maximize your chance of success because if she has shown she is interested, then it's very easy to get her number and a date, the only way you could screw it up is if you've never done it before and make a wrong move by accident but even then, girls who like you tend to be more forgiving than those who don't. And besides, the worst thing you can do is to not approach those girls at all, because then you will constantly wonder what could have happened.

The vast majority of men are too cowardly to approach women that they don't know, they rely on their social circles, the result is that their options are severely limited unless they are lucky enough to succeed on tinder, so if you approach even just the girls who like you, you become part of a very small minority of men who get laid even though they are only average in looks.

 

[wristcel]

 

[lepo2317]

Eye contact is the only thing that really matters when trying to see if a girl likes you or not. The girls who maintain eye contact with you for at least half a second have medium to high attraction for you, and those who maintain eye contact with you for 2 seconds or more have very high attraction to you. Also, if you look into a girl's eyes and she only looks at you for less than half a second, that means she is available and wanted to see who was checking her out but she is probably not attracted to you.

To have success when you approach a woman, she needs to have either medium availability and high attraction or medium attraction and high availability at least, otherwise it won't work.

You can also find out your true SMV rating with this technique, go out to a public place where there are lots of women and look into the eyes of each woman there. If the only ones who hold eye contact with you long enough to show at least medium attraction are 5/10 in looks, then your true rating is a 6/10, if they are 8/10, then your rating is a 9/10. The rating can change depending on the city that you are in.

The reason why there are some guys on this forum who have approached 500+ women and got rejected by each of them is because they were aiming for women who were out of their league. Even if you are a 4/10, women who are 3/10 are still attracted to you, but you don't see them because you have blinders on around them because you find them ugly and want the 8/10 or 9/10 woman instead which would never happen.

That is why a lot of guys remain incels for life, because their standards are so high that they don't even notice the girls who are on their level. The 80/20 rule is only applicable to online dating and that's especially the problem with online dating, it's too difficult for most men, but the quality of women you can get in real life is much higher than the ones you can get with shitty apps like Tinder. And if you only approach the girls who make long eye contact with you, instead of getting a 0-5% success rate, you'll get almost a 100% success rate because you won't waste time bothering the girls who aren't interested. Also, the best approach is an indirect approach where you use a random subject that you are interested in before complimenting her vibe or personality and then asking her out for drinks to get her number.

I learned all of that thanks to Roosh V's great book called Game. You can find it for free on libgen or zlibrary, the great thing is that it was published in 2018 so it's updated for today, you have to limit your approaches to 2 per venue and use mostly indirect approaches during the day to avoid being seen as a PUA.

Late reply. I am not GL and girls 6-9/10 really often stare at me for more than 2 seconds. Ugly girls never look at me. I am 100% sure I am not GL. So it's not that easy to say "if hot girls look at you are you hot".

 

[Deleted member 2854]

To clarify, PUA / cold approach will not work if you look like this (Ethnic aspiecel):


It will work sometimes if you look / act like this (minimum average looking NT white men):

 

[randomuser2407]

Late reply. I am not GL and girls 6-9/10 really often stare at me for more than 2 seconds. Ugly girls never look at me. I am 100% sure I am not GL. So it's not that easy to say "if hot girls look at you are you hot".

The best way to find out is to approach them and start a normal conversation, don't talk to them about their physical appearance but talk to them about random topics, then make it more and more personal by moving the topic towards her and you, then, after talking to her for 10 minutes, ask her out on a date, if she says yes, get her number, and it is almost guaranteed that it will be a date. This is the best way to meet women.

Approaching women works but PUA doesn't because nobody wants a boring desperate horny guy who keeps complimenting women while having nothing to say, the more interesting your conversations are, and the better you look and the more confident you are, the more success you will get with women. Guys who approach hundreds of women and get no success are not necessarily ugly, they are just doing it wrong, women will only find you interesting if you can talk about something else than her looks, and they will know why you are talking to them but if they are available and they like what you have to say, they will give you a chance. If you did that enough times, you would get a lot of success even if you are just average or below average in looks.

 

[lepo2317]

The best way to find out is to approach them and start a normal conversation, don't talk to them about their physical appearance but talk to them about random topics, then make it more and more personal by moving the topic towards her and you, then, after talking to her for 10 minutes, ask her out on a date, if she says yes, get her number, and it is almost guaranteed that it will be a date. This is the best way to meet women.

Approaching women works but PUA doesn't because nobody wants a boring desperate horny guy who keeps complimenting women while having nothing to say, the more interesting your conversations are, and the better you look and the more confident you are, the more success you will get with women. Guys who approach hundreds of women and get no success are not necessarily ugly, they are just doing it wrong, women will only find you interesting if you can talk about something else than her looks, and they will know why you are talking to them but if they are available and they like what you have to say, they will give you a chance. If you did that enough times, you would get a lot of success even if you are just average or below average in looks.

From my experience, multiple looks > being stared by girl. For example, if a girl looks at me for 5 seconds without smile it doesn't always mean she likes what she sees. I said hi to a girl who were staring at me and she made a face expression like she saw a shit. On the other hand, if a girl is looking at me multiple times, I have at least good conversation after approaching her. That's why I said just being stared by girls means shit. Some girls are just fucked up in the head and will look at you and think "why is this creep looking at me?". I don't agree on that part where if girls is looking at you for x+ seconds it means she wants you to approach her and you at least made positive impression on her and you should approach. Just because girl who passes you on the street stares at you, it doesn't mean she wants you to approach her. She might think you will stab her to death with knife or something. Remember it comes from not GL me, maybe if you are GL it works differently.

 

[Warlord]

The people that made the most money during the gold rush weren't the miners but where the people selling the shovels.

The PUA Cringe videos are hilarious tho especially the one by IncelTV