Everything around you is designed like you're the enemy

[Gargantuan]

Today I walked past a bike shop. Above the half-door at the back of the building were these huge metal spikes that ran all the way to the top, sharp enough to impale people.
They looked like this, roughly speaking:

And when I consciously noticed them, I thought to myself: all to protect what, exactly?
Some ugly piece of shit inventory that has no inherent value, is most likely insured anyway, and could be replaced tomorrow, even if it is stolen?

Later on, I passed an unmanned farm stand that had cartons of eggs sitting out. A sign in the centre said: "€3 per carton" with a small box next to the eggs for cash.
It looked somewhat similar to this:

I could have just taken them without paying, free of consequences, but I didn't. I put the money in the box, took the eggs, and left.
I never seriously considered taking them for free, even though I could have hoarded 3 boxes of eggs free of charge. No cameras, no threats, just trust.

One system is based on cooperation and treats you naturally, whereas the other treats you like cattle to be managed and deterred. Once you see it, you see it everywhere (spikes, barbed wire, electric fencing, cameras, warning signs, legal threats, etc.)
It's hardly surprising, though still insane, how we've normalised a world where protecting some abstract material property justifies creating potential life-cancelling contraptions.

If someone lived their actual personal life the way spaces are designed in this current age of materialism, with constant suspicion, preemptive hostility, and physical threats as the default position, everyone would recognise that they are dealing with a paranoid and mentally ill person, but somehow, it's normalised in our environment.

The whole architecture is basically designed like this: "everyone is a threat until proven otherwise, and even then, we're still watching you, so don't even think of doing anything outside of what we tell you that is considered normal" shit honestly pisses me off
It's the behavioural equivalent of walking through life with a knife in your hand 24/7, assuming everyone you meet is about to attack you.

If you ever had doubts about whether we live in a form of captivity, look at how much threat is required to keep everything in place.

@NumbThePain @CorinthianLOX @moggerofhumanity @Yliaster @IAMNOTANINCEL

 

[yurr burr]

dnr + water

 

[childishkillah]

Low iq ethnics.

 

[barambo]

ill share my thoughts on this in 2 weeks

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Most things in this society are meant to keep you down.

 

[Idontknow-]

dnr + water

Who are you?

 

[childishkillah]

Who are you?

He is yurr burr man

 

[Idontknow-]

He is yurr burr man

Ohhh yurrrri curryy

 

[SlayerJonas]

Today I walked past a bike shop. Above the half-door at the back of the building were these huge metal spikes that ran all the way to the top, sharp enough to impale people.
They looked like this, roughly speaking:
View attachment 4627911
And when I consciously noticed them, I thought to myself: all to protect what, exactly?
Some ugly piece of shit inventory that has no inherent value, is most likely insured anyway, and could be replaced tomorrow, even if it is stolen?

Later on, I passed an unmanned farm stand that had cartons of eggs sitting out. A sign in the centre said: "€3 per carton" with a small box next to the eggs for cash.
It looked somewhat similar to this:
View attachment 4625280
I could have just taken them without paying, free of consequences, but I didn't. I put the money in the box, took the eggs, and left.
I never seriously considered taking them for free, even though I could have hoarded 3 boxes of eggs free of charge. No cameras, no threats, just trust.

One system is based on cooperation and treats you naturally, whereas the other treats you like cattle to be managed and deterred. Once you see it, you see it everywhere (spikes, barbed wire, electric fencing, cameras, warning signs, legal threats, etc.)
It's hardly surprising, though still insane, how we've normalised a world where protecting some abstract material property justifies creating potential life-cancelling contraptions.

If someone lived their actual personal life the way spaces are designed in this current age of materialism, with constant suspicion, preemptive hostility, and physical threats as the default position, everyone would recognise that they are dealing with a paranoid and mentally ill person, but somehow, it's normalised in our environment.

The whole architecture is basically designed like this: "everyone is a threat until proven otherwise, and even then, we're still watching you, so don't even think of doing anything outside of what we tell you that is considered normal" shit honestly pisses me off
It's the behavioural equivalent of walking through life with a knife in your hand 24/7, assuming everyone you meet is about to attack you.

If you ever had doubts about whether we live in a form of captivity, look at how much threat is required to keep everything in place.

@NumbThePain @CorinthianLOX @moggerofhumanity @Yliaster @IAMNOTANINCEL

bro never encountered this species

@Chad @imontheloose

 

[Former Shortcel]

Even my school had some sharp spiked fences surrounding it, and nobody questions it

 

[moggerofhumanity]

Good read.
It actually reminds me of all those hostile/anti-homeless architecture

 

[barambo]

Good read.
It actually reminds me of all those hostile/anti-homeless architecture
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shiii yeah you're right

 

[Nexom]

Good read, I think it's all about balance. You pointed out two extremes, but a sweet spot doesn't sound that bad as a long term solution, not sure how that would be achieved though.

I saw some video of a guy owning a store and wanting to put a sign with something along the lines of "If you can't afford food, don't steal. Just ask." He had really good intentions but it didn't work out for him for obvious reasons. Now, I don't know if it's the fault of the people in that area, and I'm not arguing about ethnicity, culture, etc. but the owner quickly changed his mind and decided to offer the food to the ones in need for free, but without the sign. Word spread and more people started coming into the store asking for free food. It was bringing in more sales as well, but it ended up being a net negative anyway. I thought to myself, maybe if it wasn't the only store that did this, things would change. I don't know the answer to that.

 

[Gargantuan]

Low iq ethnics.

bro never encountered this species

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@Chad @imontheloose

Yeah obviously true as well jfl

It's a vicious cycle. The spikes and cameras are emboldened even more once crime is imported from these undesirables.
By importing them, they legitimise a paranoid, fortified environment even more, which makes life worse for everyone, proving that one unnatural state inevitably creates another.

 

[gymcel64]

You live in Europe and you know that this was not needed especially in northern Europe 40 years ago.
Our high trust societies and cities have degraded into unlivable crime-ridden metropolises.
And I wonder why.....

 

[Gargantuan]

Good read, I think it's all about balance. You pointed out two extremes, but a sweet spot doesn't sound that bad as a long term solution, not sure how that would be achieved though.

I saw some video of a guy owning a store and wanting to put a sign with something along the lines of "If you can't afford food, don't steal. Just ask." He had really good intentions but it didn't work out for him for obvious reasons. Now, I don't know if it's the fault of the people in that area, and I'm not arguing about ethnicity, culture, etc. but the owner quickly changed his mind and decided to offer the food to the ones in need for free, but without the sign. Word spread and more people started coming into the store asking for free food. It was bringing in more sales as well, but it ended up being a net negative anyway. I thought to myself, maybe if it wasn't the only store that did this, things would change. I don't know the answer to that.

Nice anecdote, good observation about the store owner as well.

I think that the honor system "failed" not because trust doesn't work, but because he was trying to operate on trust principles while completely surrounded by an unnatural, extractive system.
To me, it seems like he became the pressure release valve for all the scarcity and desperation the system itself creates.

I think the farm stand in the OPs works because it exists in a context where there's still some baseline of community function.

 

[L1mbal]

dnr + water

Retard+kill yourself

 

[pfl]

Wouldn’t exist without brown shitstains in society

 

[Van]

Today I walked past a bike shop. Above the half-door at the back of the building were these huge metal spikes that ran all the way to the top, sharp enough to impale people.
They looked like this, roughly speaking:
View attachment 4627911
And when I consciously noticed them, I thought to myself: all to protect what, exactly?
Some ugly piece of shit inventory that has no inherent value, is most likely insured anyway, and could be replaced tomorrow, even if it is stolen?

Later on, I passed an unmanned farm stand that had cartons of eggs sitting out. A sign in the centre said: "€3 per carton" with a small box next to the eggs for cash.
It looked somewhat similar to this:
View attachment 4625280
I could have just taken them without paying, free of consequences, but I didn't. I put the money in the box, took the eggs, and left.
I never seriously considered taking them for free, even though I could have hoarded 3 boxes of eggs free of charge. No cameras, no threats, just trust.

One system is based on cooperation and treats you naturally, whereas the other treats you like cattle to be managed and deterred. Once you see it, you see it everywhere (spikes, barbed wire, electric fencing, cameras, warning signs, legal threats, etc.)
It's hardly surprising, though still insane, how we've normalised a world where protecting some abstract material property justifies creating potential life-cancelling contraptions.

If someone lived their actual personal life the way spaces are designed in this current age of materialism, with constant suspicion, preemptive hostility, and physical threats as the default position, everyone would recognise that they are dealing with a paranoid and mentally ill person, but somehow, it's normalised in our environment.

The whole architecture is basically designed like this: "everyone is a threat until proven otherwise, and even then, we're still watching you, so don't even think of doing anything outside of what we tell you that is considered normal" shit honestly pisses me off
It's the behavioural equivalent of walking through life with a knife in your hand 24/7, assuming everyone you meet is about to attack you.

If you ever had doubts about whether we live in a form of captivity, look at how much threat is required to keep everything in place.

@NumbThePain @CorinthianLOX @moggerofhumanity @Yliaster @IAMNOTANINCEL

Good thread

And yes I couldn't agree more, to the system we are nothing more than cattle, in reality they would prefer if we would unalive ourselves.
That's why prescription drugs are so normal for example. I can see the control becoming stricter in the future with cbdcs coming in and more advanced surveillance camera systems. Orwells dystopia is already here.

 

[Gargantuan]

You live in Europe and you know that this was not needed especially in northern Europe 40 years ago.
Our high trust societies and cities have degraded into unlivable crime-ridden metropolises.
And I wonder why.....

Yes, but that is obvious for everyone to see that people who do not belong here make the problem worse.

But still, I think that's a symptom of a larger issue, not the root cause.
The spikes and hostile architecture aren't just about crime or who's committing it. They're about a worldview, one that treats everything as property to be defended and everyone as a potential threat.

Sure, non-whites who have no business being in Europe are causing a hardening of these measures, but even if you removed the demographic angle entirely, you'd still have a system built on extraction, competition, and artificial scarcity. That creates desperation regardless of who's involved.

 

[Gargantuan]

Wouldn’t exist without brown shitstains in society

It still would, and I'm the last person who would want these people here.
The fact that people who do not belong here make the existing problems worse is still only looking at surface-level symptoms.

A healthy, natural social order doesn't collapse because of demographic shifts. It has resilience built in through actual community bonds, shared values that emerge organically, and local accountability between people who actually know each other.

But what we have instead is a slave-based system held together by coercion, surveillance, and threats of violence. It was already broken to begin with, and demographic changes just exposed how hollowed out it had become.

@IAMNOTANINCEL Goatis is so right when he says that we are completely enslaved on every level, it's insane

 

[L1mbal]

Today I walked past a bike shop. Above the half-door at the back of the building were these huge metal spikes that ran all the way to the top, sharp enough to impale people.
They looked like this, roughly speaking:
View attachment 4627911
And when I consciously noticed them, I thought to myself: all to protect what, exactly?
Some ugly piece of shit inventory that has no inherent value, is most likely insured anyway, and could be replaced tomorrow, even if it is stolen?

Later on, I passed an unmanned farm stand that had cartons of eggs sitting out. A sign in the centre said: "€3 per carton" with a small box next to the eggs for cash.
It looked somewhat similar to this:
View attachment 4625280
I could have just taken them without paying, free of consequences, but I didn't. I put the money in the box, took the eggs, and left.
I never seriously considered taking them for free, even though I could have hoarded 3 boxes of eggs free of charge. No cameras, no threats, just trust.

One system is based on cooperation and treats you naturally, whereas the other treats you like cattle to be managed and deterred. Once you see it, you see it everywhere (spikes, barbed wire, electric fencing, cameras, warning signs, legal threats, etc.)
It's hardly surprising, though still insane, how we've normalised a world where protecting some abstract material property justifies creating potential life-cancelling contraptions.

If someone lived their actual personal life the way spaces are designed in this current age of materialism, with constant suspicion, preemptive hostility, and physical threats as the default position, everyone would recognise that they are dealing with a paranoid and mentally ill person, but somehow, it's normalised in our environment.

The whole architecture is basically designed like this: "everyone is a threat until proven otherwise, and even then, we're still watching you, so don't even think of doing anything outside of what we tell you that is considered normal" shit honestly pisses me off
It's the behavioural equivalent of walking through life with a knife in your hand 24/7, assuming everyone you meet is about to attack you.

If you ever had doubts about whether we live in a form of captivity, look at how much threat is required to keep everything in place.

@NumbThePain @CorinthianLOX @moggerofhumanity @Yliaster @IAMNOTANINCEL

Its like the world is made as a fail-safe,
A healthy civilization rests upon instinctive loyalty and inner discipline, not upon police surveillance and mechanical restraint

I believe when a society needs these fail-safes, it has already lost its power.
The modern society is built on paranoia.

Just like savitri devi said

"I’m for a multi-racial world in which each race keeps to itself, in harmony with the other races. Like in a garden, you have flowerbeds of roses and flowerbeds of carnations… They don’t intermarry. They stay separate"

Once these "flowerbeds" even mingle with each other, we need supervision.

Well if were talking about plants, we might aswell notice how we require constant supervision if cross-pollination is happening, and if it is, we LOSE the desired traits of the plant.

If we take endangered species for example, every single fucking scientist in the world needs to supervise them so cross mating does not occur.

Its the nature which makes the rules, we just notice them .

No tag tho

 

[NumbThePain]

You hit the nail on the head. We live in a world of defensive architecture, where public space has turned into a kind of low intensity war zone. Those metal pins are not just physical barriers, they are a form of visual aggression. Dehumanizing

It is indeed an absurd paradox

And for you to pay for the eggs shows you're a trustworthy person. Recently I saw a video where people looted a small free food bank for people that are poor. It is based on trust. Fucking scumbags that looted everything (on camera too)

 

[Gargantuan]

Its like the world is made as a fail-safe,
A healthy civilization rests upon instinctive loyalty and inner discipline, not upon police surveillance and mechanical restraint

I believe when a society needs these fail-safes, it has already lost its power.
The modern society is built on paranoia.

Just like savitri devi said

"I’m for a multi-racial world in which each race keeps to itself, in harmony with the other races. Like in a garden, you have flowerbeds of roses and flowerbeds of carnations… They don’t intermarry. They stay separate"

Once these "flowerbeds" even mingle with each other, we need supervision.

Well if were talking about plants, we might aswell notice how we require constant supervision if cross-pollination is happening, and if it is, we LOSE the desired traits of the plant.

If we take endangered species for example, every single fucking scientist in the world needs to supervise them so cross mating does not occur.

Its the nature which makes the rules, we just notice them .

No tag tho

I should have tagged you in the OP

Nicely put too. Muhammad Ali basically said the same thing


Everything we are dealing with now is just completely rotten. It's not a community, not even a civilisation, it's just organised mutual hostility.

 

[Aryan Incel]

Today I walked past a bike shop. Above the half-door at the back of the building were these huge metal spikes that ran all the way to the top, sharp enough to impale people.
They looked like this, roughly speaking:
View attachment 4627911
And when I consciously noticed them, I thought to myself: all to protect what, exactly?
Some ugly piece of shit inventory that has no inherent value, is most likely insured anyway, and could be replaced tomorrow, even if it is stolen?

Later on, I passed an unmanned farm stand that had cartons of eggs sitting out. A sign in the centre said: "€3 per carton" with a small box next to the eggs for cash.
It looked somewhat similar to this:
View attachment 4625280
I could have just taken them without paying, free of consequences, but I didn't. I put the money in the box, took the eggs, and left.
I never seriously considered taking them for free, even though I could have hoarded 3 boxes of eggs free of charge. No cameras, no threats, just trust.

One system is based on cooperation and treats you naturally, whereas the other treats you like cattle to be managed and deterred. Once you see it, you see it everywhere (spikes, barbed wire, electric fencing, cameras, warning signs, legal threats, etc.)
It's hardly surprising, though still insane, how we've normalised a world where protecting some abstract material property justifies creating potential life-cancelling contraptions.

If someone lived their actual personal life the way spaces are designed in this current age of materialism, with constant suspicion, preemptive hostility, and physical threats as the default position, everyone would recognise that they are dealing with a paranoid and mentally ill person, but somehow, it's normalised in our environment.

The whole architecture is basically designed like this: "everyone is a threat until proven otherwise, and even then, we're still watching you, so don't even think of doing anything outside of what we tell you that is considered normal" shit honestly pisses me off
It's the behavioural equivalent of walking through life with a knife in your hand 24/7, assuming everyone you meet is about to attack you.

If you ever had doubts about whether we live in a form of captivity, look at how much threat is required to keep everything in place.

@NumbThePain @CorinthianLOX @moggerofhumanity @Yliaster @IAMNOTANINCEL

Great thread it was a lovely read, it reminded me a bit of a @6ft4 thread from when I used to lurk.

As you said it’s a viscous system, the more untrustworthy and prison esque buildings are, the more it creates unease and anxiety within people which in turn breeds untrust and makes it more likely for people to actually steal and commit crime as in their head if they don’t do it other people will do the same to them. Add on top of this the importation of certain people we have a system doomed to be hostile, broken and low class.

 

[Gargantuan]

You hit the nail on the head. We live in a world of defensive architecture, where public space has turned into a kind of low intensity war zone. Those metal pins are not just physical barriers, they are a form of visual aggression. Dehumanizing

It is indeed an absurd paradox

And for you to pay for the eggs shows you're a trustworthy person. Recently I saw a video where people looted a small free food bank for people that are poor. It is based on trust. Fucking scumbags that looted everything (on camera too)

I was exactly thinking about what you said about it being a low intensity war zone as well, since it's a very accurate parallel.

In war, you have landmines passively sitting in the ground waiting to maim anyone who steps in the wrong place to "defend territory", and we have spikes and barbed wire everywhere, passively sitting there waiting to maim anyone who climbs in the wrong place to "defend property".

There is literally no difference between the 2, other than maybe scale and lethality.

Funnily enough, barbed wire was literally invented for cattle, then used for trench warfare in WW1, and now it's just everywhere. Total fucking insanity.

 

[L1mbal]

You hit the nail on the head. We live in a world of defensive architecture, where public space has turned into a kind of low intensity war zone. Those metal pins are not just physical barriers, they are a form of visual aggression. Dehumanizing

It is indeed an absurd paradox

And for you to pay for the eggs shows you're a trustworthy person. Recently I saw a video where people looted a small free food bank for people that are poor. It is based on trust. Fucking scumbags that looted everything (on camera too)

I should have tagged you in the OP

Nicely put too. Muhammad Ali basically said the same thing


Everything we are dealing with now is just completely rotten. It's not a community, not even a civilisation, it's just organised mutual hostility.

I study international law and i often go to debates, but what i often notice is almost all of the treaties, laws and articles are just made as a fail safe !, there is no actual reason for it to exist and most importantly, it ties to the flowerbeds, if states could just manage themselves and not pollute any other state, the whole world would be a better place, even if a corrupted or malicious mind comes, the "good" states would take it into action.

UNCLOS (convention on the laws of the sea) tries its best to enforce safety measures for states and draw their boundaries on paper, but it never works.

Why do you think we need draft resolutions in the united nations and constant judgement from authorities that hold no actual power.

@Ghost Philosophy

 

[gymcel64]

Yes, but that is obvious for everyone to see that people who do not belong here make the problem worse.

But still, I think that's a symptom of a larger issue, not the root cause.
The spikes and hostile architecture aren't just about crime or who's committing it. They're about a worldview, one that treats everything as property to be defended and everyone as a potential threat.

Sure, non-whites who have no business being in Europe are causing a hardening of these measures, but even if you removed the demographic angle entirely, you'd still have a system built on extraction, competition, and artificial scarcity. That creates desperation regardless of who's involved.

Community has been destroyed. And this is the result.
It probably goes deeper but I have never thought about what you remarked, never saw it that way.

 

[Gargantuan]

Great thread it was a lovely read, it reminded me a bit of a @6ft4 thread from when I used to lurk.

As you said it’s a viscous system, the more untrustworthy and prison esque buildings are, the more it creates unease and anxiety within people which in turn breeds untrust and makes it more likely for people to actually steal and commit crime as in their head if they don’t do it other people will do the same to them. Add on top of this the importation of certain people we have a system doomed to be hostile, broken and low class.

It's like raising your child in a household where you lock everything away and treat them like a thief from day one.
Even if they weren't inclined that way initially, you're creating the very behaviour you claim to be defending against.

It's also psychological since it shapes how people see each other and themselves. When I walk through a space designed with hostility, I can literally feel it in my body. That type of constant low-level threat wears people down, makes them more anxious, more defensive, and more likely to operate from fear.

This is all by design, of course, but I gotta admit that they did build an ingenious, self-perpetuating system here that literally makes people worse versions of themselves, to then point at their behaviour as justification for more control.

 

[Rabbi]

Seeing both of those in a short span is interesting.

It’s like a transitional example of a high trust to low trust society

 

[GonorrhoeaGobbler]

In this world where a current shift is making people more individualist and sociopathic there needs to be these regulations.

The truth is everybody now or soon will be the ennemi