EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT BONESMASHING IS WRONG, NO MORE LIES. (EXTREMELY HIGH EFFORT) (OVER FOR ANTI-BS IQLETS)

[diemog]

if you hit your own zygos with 3MPa alone with your own knuckle youd likely cause a good amount of bruising (assuming like the contact area of a knuckle or two) otherwise good post

(as in the minimum threshold is already near-guaranteed bruising which majority of people arent getting close to)

so using the massage gun nd applying pressure to the massage gun as well nd going till the area’s bruised is the correct way ?

 

[Amadeus]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

I really don't see the bone changes in this before and after. At least SpectrumAesthetics3 was an obvious change in chin, gonions and cheekbones. Decent thread though.

Do you have any other pics or something that makes it clear what exactly changed in your bone structure?

 

[ui9cxkhhv]

so using the massage gun nd applying pressure to the massage gun as well nd going till the area’s bruised is the correct way ?

no im saying the numbers are off, you shouldnt need to go until it bruises, its unnecessary (and also will you give you weird looks)

 

[diemog]

ohhh okay i see thanks

 

[xanless]

thats what i go in depth into g

ive been claiming it works for ages

Bro many people have told me “copesmashing but they are genuinely retards this shit actually works

 

[Fizzle]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

What do you mean “put a little pressure into it” How would i put pressure into it if its going really fast, am i missing something

 

[starbuck780]

mirin the effort, bookmarked

 

[jayx12]

Nice thread read every molecule

Wdym by with a bit of steady force from your hand tho? Am i supposed to use the massage gun to hit my face while it is on?

Yeah also doesnt make really much sense to me and u can also imitate the force of the machine gun with ur knuckles

 

[jayx12]

no im saying the numbers are off, you shouldnt need to go until it bruises, its unnecessary (and also will you give you weird looks)

Do u need a machine gun? Since u could lower the pressure with ur knuckles using less force and slower hits

 

[dk14gm]

thats what i go in depth into g

ive been claiming it works for ages

what message gun u use and what speed and how many min s each bone?

 

[ui9cxkhhv]

Do u need a machine gun? Since u could lower the pressure with ur knuckles using less force and slower hits

you can raw dog it without one yeah, i dont see why not, just make sure your hitting everything symmetrically i suppose... dont take my absolute word for it but many people use knuckles without issue

 

[foidloverutillirope]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Dr mirin effort will be using massage gun with some strength 8x2

 

[Avillionre]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

How much is a few minutes a day though? Like 2-5? And is the whole extra pressure thing about the message gun just pressing it a bit harder?

 

[iblamesilde]

mirin the effort

 

[Ihaveproganthism]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

W post w effort w everything

 

[jotunnr]

How much is a few minutes a day though? Like 2-5? And is the whole extra pressure thing about the message gun just pressing it a bit harder?

Yes, 2-5 minutes a day pressing a tiny bit hard

what message gun u use and what speed and how many min s each bone?

What do you mean “put a little pressure into it” How would i put pressure into it if its going really fast, am i missing something

Typical massage gun on max speed, 2- 5 minutes is a solid range, figure out what exactly works best for you, try slower, faster, more, less, play with the frequency, everyone's different to a small extent

so using the massage gun nd applying pressure to the massage gun as well nd going till the area’s bruised is the correct way ?

Not until it's bruised, like i said; use your instinct. It doesn't have to bruise and swell up and turn purple, using the massage gun isn't about swelling

 

[Chudda07]

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain

So wont using just hammer strikes bring you more immediate and stronger results?
The day you'll stop is just the day you'll use filler instead

 

[ItsZynt]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Could I combine osteogenesis and periosteal hematomas? Or should I be just doing Osteogenesis with the massage gun?

 

[itsallg3netics]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Mirin the post fam

 

[dk14gm]

Yes, 2-5 minutes a day pressing a tiny bit hard


Typical massage gun on max speed, 2- 5 minutes is a solid range, figure out what exactly works best for you, try slower, faster, more, less, play with the frequency, everyone's different to a small extent

Not until it's bruised, like i said; use your instinct. It doesn't have to bruise and swell up and turn purple, using the massage gun isn't about swelling

Okay nice, how long does it take to see progress?

 

[ye9nopps]

Mirin the effort I dr it

 

[lifeishell88]

so this is what gpt 5.6 had to say about this thread. just wanted to leave that here. dont have the time or energy to evaluate everything myself. not taking a side but its probably more complicated than written here based on what my AI said which seems largly reasonable.

Dnr

 

[Lander2]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

dr

 

[Nyrо]

I have no massage gun, should I still do it whit something hard and then just hit very soft or idk you tell me

 

[Chudda07]

@mtn_dude_193

 

[becknif]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

My jaw is bigger on the left side of my face should I bs the right until both sides get even or should I do the left side aswell

 

[ZekeAngloSaxon]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

I fw it

 

[dk14gm]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Yes, 2-5 minutes a day pressing a tiny bit hard


Typical massage gun on max speed, 2- 5 minutes is a solid range, figure out what exactly works best for you, try slower, faster, more, less, play with the frequency, everyone's different to a small extent

Not until it's bruised, like i said; use your instinct. It doesn't have to bruise and swell up and turn purple, using the massage gun isn't about swelling

Also please reply, is using a message gun with 4500 RPM better and can i just do my zygos and chin or will that turn out bad? and so 3 mins on each bone a day is finev

 

[dk14gm]

and will roids like test nd gh etc effect this in a good and bad way?

 

[plüh.]

1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.

Do you mean by smashing using the massage gun?

 

[EstoicAurelius]

What to do in the absence of a massage gun???

Do I imitate the force with my fists????

 

[zayre]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

How to not hit/damage nerves:

Your can’t bonesmash all bones in your face, not even the whole zygos because of nerve placement.

If you feel light vibration under the skin like a pulsing vain under your skin when hitting, that is a nerve and there is nothing you can do about it except stop hitting that specific area.

Find the areas that work for you and bonesmash without any nerve damage.

 

[zayre]

What to do in the absence of a massage gun???

Do I imitate the force with my fists????

Hit yourself in the head to imitate hunting

 

[Ling²]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Whats comparable to 1Mpa when using a hammer? Should I just tap lightly until the area's sore?

 

[requestoid15]

good shit, bookmarked

 

[Ahmed88]

Just a bunch of fucking bullshit

 

[iblamemaxillaa123]

high effort, mirin

 

[goonadict]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

cbf reading but mirin effort

 

[Paul.jnxy]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Bump. Mirin effort

 

[Sub6cel]

if the mfs that studied this shit their whole lives saying it don't work isn't that a good enough indicator it prob doesnn't work? I don't get the rationale behind threads like this? Or is it just the usual "Da jooos control healthcare" stuff.

 

[b4msnm]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow-
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE="diemog, post: 31003069, member: 441673"]

[/QUOTE]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

So there’s two conclusions here, what are you saying is the recommended path? Also any massage gun recommendations

 

[blame.everyone]

i dont wanna order a massage gun, my parents will think im gay, any alternatives

 

[dk14gm]

Just a bunch of fucking bullshit

how?

 

[goonadict]

so using the massage gun nd applying pressure to the massage gun as well nd going till the area’s bruised is the correct way ?

dude

 

[jacksonchris]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

mirin hi effort hi iq post

 

[Went2Jupiter]

Nice thread read every molecule

Wdym by with a bit of steady force from your hand tho? Am i supposed to use the massage gun to hit my face while it is on?

Yes! i have started to gun on mine recently, ngl infra and supras feel so fun your head rattles a bit

 

[resting]

I'm too tired to format this, and I've been researching this subject for god knows how long. I've probably made at least 3 threads on this prior


TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
OSTEOGENESIS
PERIOSTEAL HEMATOMAS
SENESCENT MECHANOTRANSDUCTION​

---

First off, there're 2 ways to achieve "bone growth"

1- osteogenesis
2- periosteal hematomas


Osteogenesis is utilized using controlled, cyclic pressure. Not mindless hammering. This is real bone, and the mechanism turns past 18 to retaining mineral density.

Periosteal hematomas are coagulations of blood pooling in due to rapid, high impact force. This is what most of you are experiencing. Bad news is, if you don't stay consistent and on point, these blood coagulations drain.
View attachment 5362214 View attachment 5362305
I've already posted this a few times but people trust you more when you have an anecdote for obvious reasons

---

To start off, if you've ever hammered, you were NOT CREATING BONE OR SCAR TISSUE!

Bone osteogenesis occurs under controlled conditions that most of you have never came close to achieving.

Bone responds cellularly at the sweet spot of 0.5-0.9MPa's, this is roughly the exact same force of a typical massage gun if you put a little strength to it yourself.
View attachment 5362243

To put that into comparison, the average force you're producing with your knuckles OR hammer is around 3-5MPa's, which fits EXACTLY into the periosteal hematoma category (will talk about this later)

View attachment 5362246
View attachment 5362250

There's a thin line between perfect bone ostoeblast differentiation and bone RESORPTION, showing losses in both BMD and periosteal formation

View attachment 5362285
View attachment 5362286


Not to mention, you don't need to fucking bonesmash for 100 hours a day and 725 hours a week, it genuinely takes MINUTES to activate bone osteoblast differentiation

You also don't need to fist your skull to the point of bleeding either.

Unlike hematomas, bone formation stops and osteoblasts desensitize after a while of repeat pressure, EVEN if it's dynamic. If you want GENUINE growth, you're going to have to cycle it on and off. 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off.


CONCLUSION
1- massage gun with a bit of steady force from your hand for a few minutes everyday (1-2 times a day)
2- 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off, 8 weeks smashing, 2 weeks off. Cycle it.
3- More, prolonged pressure =/ more appositional growth

---

Periosteal hematomas are what ALL of you are experiencing, and im not saying it's bad, but it's not real bone.

There are two phases of periosteal hematomas:

1- Firmness

You just got done hammering, it's completely red, swollen and soft to the touch. This is histamines and macrophages pulling up to the scene, nothing more

2- Calcification

Your body recognizes that the area is bruised, and fills the bruising with pools of blood. The blood coagulates, hardens and locks. This mimics bone, but it is NOT bone.

View attachment 5362344
View attachment 5362351

The pattern on these is unpredictable, and it explains why some might end up with worse looking morphological changes than others.

View attachment 5362355View attachment 5362356

These pools of blood usually take a few years to drain IF left untouched. Most of you will not leave it untouched.

Unlike osteogenesis, this mechanism does not disappear. Sure, bone cells get desensitized on a cellular level, but it's not even about bone. As long as you're causing physical trauma, blood is going to keep pooling in.

However, you obviously risk nerve damage to an extent.

Asymmetry's extremely rare and not as common as retards think, most people feel like they're asymmetrical because more than likely they have a skeletal cant and/or some sort of muscle imbalance that doesn't show in the beginning because they have ZERO angularity.

To stabilize this injured pocket, the periosteum immediately begins throwing down disorganized, woven bone. This hardens into lumpy, bony bumps.

CONCLUSION:
- hammer twice a day until the area swells, use the swelling as an indicator but also use your brain
- fluctuate the strength of your hits evenly on both sides of your face
- risk nerve damage and deep bruising that leaves you in permanent chronic pain.

---

The reason adult bones are less responsive to mechanical stimulation and slowly lose density as we get older is due to cellular senescence, your cytoskeletons stiffen, making it way harder for fluid to move due to pressure

Not to mention, they also enhance the secretion of SASPs, which greatly encourage osteoclast activity (bone-breaking cells)

If you've been using low pressure and your sutures are fused, this is ONE HUNDRED percent the issue as to why you're not experiencing any growth. At that point, your only option is hematomas.

SOURCES:

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/20417314231172573
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
• https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9306018/
• https://peerj.com/articles/19310.pdf

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10214107/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28447744/

HONORABLE RETARD LTN MENTIONS @Idontknow- @LongForgotten

Wouldn't call this extremely high effort to be honest. but mirin

 

[loonaticht]

the conclusions are overly extrapolated, mirin the effort tho

 

[jotunnr]

Wouldn't call this extremely high effort to be honest. but mirin

Had to sit down through 12 long research papers just to formulate this thread

Sometimes the amount of words doesn't speak the effort

 

[resting]

Had to sit down through 12 long research papers just to formulate this thread

Sometimes the amount of words doesn't speak the effort

inspirational.