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If you have been on .org for any length of time, you have probably seen the question "What should I take for my first cycle?" The typical advice is "500 test, aromasin or arimidex, and have nolvadex and clomid on hand bro." (r/steroids final boss btw)
However, this question has been asked and answered many hundreds of times, and there are plenty of other tidbits of knowledge that you should have before starting steroids. In this thread, I will try to give high-quality advice on lesser-discussed aspects of roiding that I wish I knew more about before starting my protocol.
Before taking steroids, know that they will, in most cases, be detrimental to long-term height growth if your growth plates are open.
Part 1: What configuration of steroid(s) to get
Part 2: What equipment and expertise you need to draw up and inject the steroids
Part 3: Tips on actually injecting the steroids.
Lmk if yall think this guide is helpful.
However, this question has been asked and answered many hundreds of times, and there are plenty of other tidbits of knowledge that you should have before starting steroids. In this thread, I will try to give high-quality advice on lesser-discussed aspects of roiding that I wish I knew more about before starting my protocol.
Before taking steroids, know that they will, in most cases, be detrimental to long-term height growth if your growth plates are open.
Part 1: What configuration of steroid(s) to get
You should already have an idea of what your cycle should look like and where to buy it. If not, see this thread:
looksmax.org
Let's take the typical first cycle I mentioned above (500 test) as an example:
First, we must decide on which ester to use:
TLDR: Test prop for quick saturation and pct, dealer's choice of Test C or E for the majority of cases. Much the same for other steroids.
Next, we need to know what carrier oil to use. Since testosterone is fat-soluble, it must be dissolved in oil.
TLDR: MCT Oil or Ethyl Oleate are best.
Lastly, I would recommend not exceeding 300mg/ml of steroids in the vials you order. Typically high concentrations of steroids require more solvents (think nail polish remover and paint thinner), which results in more pain and irritation when you inject the compound.
Typically steroids are sold in 10ml vials. So multiply the dosage specified by your seller by 10 and that is the total amount of steroids in the vial. Plan your purchase accordingly. Now you should know what dosage, oil, and ester of your preferred steroid to buy.
First Steroid Cycle
Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all. This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be...
looksmax.org
Let's take the typical first cycle I mentioned above (500 test) as an example:
First, we must decide on which ester to use:
The word "ester" refers to a certain type of chemically modified acid that is not relevant to this discussion. However, in the context of exogenous testosterone, an ester refers to the specific chemical compound attached to testosterone at the 17β-hydroxyl position. The addition of an ester helps with solubility and makes the testosterone release slower in the body.
Example of various testosterone esters:
This creates a prodrug of testosterone, meaning the esterified testosterone is not active until the ester is cleaved off by certain enzymes in your body. The actual bioactive testosterone always has the same half-life.
Because the half-life of testosterone esters does not refer to the time they are actually biologically active, you can use whatever testosterone ester you like, and it would equate to the same overall anabolic activity as any other ester, assuming the dosages are the same (not accounting for the weight of the ester). So, ester choice generally comes down to personal preference. Longer esters take longer to kick in and wear off, but are more stable. The reverse is true for shorter esters.
Pick a longer ester (>4 days) if:
-You don't want to inject as frequently
-You will be using the compound for more than 10 weeks or so
-You want more stable levels (you probably do)
Pick a shorter ester if:
-You want effects quickly
-You are ok pinning every day or two
-You want a shorter pct
Here are the common esters and half-lives according to Google (personal metabolism varies):
Testosterone Undecanoate:
20.9–33.9 days
Testosterone Cypionate:
8 days
Testosterone Enanthate:
4.5–9 days
Testosterone Isocaproate:
3.1 days
Testosterone Phenylpropionate:
2.5 days
Testosterone Propionate:
1–4 days
Testosterone, No Ester:
2-4 hours, based on injection site
Example of various testosterone esters:
This creates a prodrug of testosterone, meaning the esterified testosterone is not active until the ester is cleaved off by certain enzymes in your body. The actual bioactive testosterone always has the same half-life.
Because the half-life of testosterone esters does not refer to the time they are actually biologically active, you can use whatever testosterone ester you like, and it would equate to the same overall anabolic activity as any other ester, assuming the dosages are the same (not accounting for the weight of the ester). So, ester choice generally comes down to personal preference. Longer esters take longer to kick in and wear off, but are more stable. The reverse is true for shorter esters.
Pick a longer ester (>4 days) if:
-You don't want to inject as frequently
-You will be using the compound for more than 10 weeks or so
-You want more stable levels (you probably do)
Pick a shorter ester if:
-You want effects quickly
-You are ok pinning every day or two
-You want a shorter pct
Here are the common esters and half-lives according to Google (personal metabolism varies):
Testosterone Undecanoate:
20.9–33.9 days
Testosterone Cypionate:
8 days
Testosterone Enanthate:
4.5–9 days
Testosterone Isocaproate:
3.1 days
Testosterone Phenylpropionate:
2.5 days
Testosterone Propionate:
1–4 days
Testosterone, No Ester:
2-4 hours, based on injection site
Next, we need to know what carrier oil to use. Since testosterone is fat-soluble, it must be dissolved in oil.
A carrier oil can make or break your experience taking steroids. Some people are allergic to certain oils, some oils cause worse pain, etc. Also, you want a thinner oil (less viscous/sticky) because thinner oils result in quicker injections, less lumping, and less pip (post injection pain).
Here is a list of common carrier oils based on how good they are, based on my research and experience:
1) MCT (Medium Chain Triglycerides)
A nice thin oil. Quite stable and hypoallergenic. Usually derived from coconut oil. Long shelf-life
2) Ethyl Oleate
Very thin, thinner than mct. Bit more irritating in people than MCT in my research, and lower shelf life.
3) Grapeseed Oil
Medium viscosity, medium irritation. Mid oil.
4) Cottonseed Oil
Shitty oil, very cheap. Quite thick as well
5) Sesame Oil
Pretty shitty and very thick.
You may be buying testosterone from a source that does not have these oils, such as certain pharmacies where steroids are legal (e.g mexico or Brazil). I would assume they are using some other shitty seed oil.
One thing to note is that people tolerate oils differently. You may react badly to an oil that your friend has no reaction to.
Here is a list of common carrier oils based on how good they are, based on my research and experience:
1) MCT (Medium Chain Triglycerides)
A nice thin oil. Quite stable and hypoallergenic. Usually derived from coconut oil. Long shelf-life
2) Ethyl Oleate
Very thin, thinner than mct. Bit more irritating in people than MCT in my research, and lower shelf life.
3) Grapeseed Oil
Medium viscosity, medium irritation. Mid oil.
4) Cottonseed Oil
Shitty oil, very cheap. Quite thick as well
5) Sesame Oil
Pretty shitty and very thick.
You may be buying testosterone from a source that does not have these oils, such as certain pharmacies where steroids are legal (e.g mexico or Brazil). I would assume they are using some other shitty seed oil.
One thing to note is that people tolerate oils differently. You may react badly to an oil that your friend has no reaction to.
Lastly, I would recommend not exceeding 300mg/ml of steroids in the vials you order. Typically high concentrations of steroids require more solvents (think nail polish remover and paint thinner), which results in more pain and irritation when you inject the compound.
Typically steroids are sold in 10ml vials. So multiply the dosage specified by your seller by 10 and that is the total amount of steroids in the vial. Plan your purchase accordingly. Now you should know what dosage, oil, and ester of your preferred steroid to buy.
Here is everything you need:
-Vial of steroids
-Needles and syringes
-Alcohol Wipe(s)
-Receptacle for trash (I recommend a non-clear plastic bottle)
You must know how much you are pinning each injection to understand this part. Divide your weekly dosage in mls by the number of injections per week you are doing. That is how much oil you are pinning per injection.
A common question: Where should I inject?
TLDR: I recommend subq for trt, delts and ventroglutes for higher doses. Personal preference is a big factor tho.
What size needle to use for certain sites:
TLDR: 27-29g 1/2 inch is law for most injections
Now that you know what needles to buy, there are three possible configurations you can use to inject:
-Vial of steroids
-Needles and syringes
-Alcohol Wipe(s)
-Receptacle for trash (I recommend a non-clear plastic bottle)
You must know how much you are pinning each injection to understand this part. Divide your weekly dosage in mls by the number of injections per week you are doing. That is how much oil you are pinning per injection.
A common question: Where should I inject?
Here is my personal ranking of injection sites. I have done all except for quads. Top is most preferable, bottom is last resort.
1) Subcutaneous abdominal fat
Best for TRT level dosages under 0.5 ml since the injection takes longer. Very little pain. The only issue is it leaves small nodules under your skin that feel like insect bites. They are not painful, but can be slightly irritating. Also a bit unsightly to have bumps under your skin especailly if you are lean.
2) Delts
Most common IM injection site in medicine for a reason. Good absorption, doesn't affect daily life much if sore. Also easy to pin. Can handle 1 ml or slightly more.
3) Ventroglutes
Like glutes but shallow so you can use a smaller needle. Also doesn't have a giant nerve in it. Can handle 1-2mls.
4) Lats
Kinda hard to reach and must be precise. Not really needed unless you are running high doses
5) Glutes
Can handle the most oil. Hard to reach tho and you need a bigger needle. Also has the sciatic nerve.
6) Quads
Always hear about bad experiences with pinning quads. One of my buddies could not go up stairs for over a week. Would not advise ever using ts.
1) Subcutaneous abdominal fat
Best for TRT level dosages under 0.5 ml since the injection takes longer. Very little pain. The only issue is it leaves small nodules under your skin that feel like insect bites. They are not painful, but can be slightly irritating. Also a bit unsightly to have bumps under your skin especailly if you are lean.
2) Delts
Most common IM injection site in medicine for a reason. Good absorption, doesn't affect daily life much if sore. Also easy to pin. Can handle 1 ml or slightly more.
3) Ventroglutes
Like glutes but shallow so you can use a smaller needle. Also doesn't have a giant nerve in it. Can handle 1-2mls.
4) Lats
Kinda hard to reach and must be precise. Not really needed unless you are running high doses
5) Glutes
Can handle the most oil. Hard to reach tho and you need a bigger needle. Also has the sciatic nerve.
6) Quads
Always hear about bad experiences with pinning quads. One of my buddies could not go up stairs for over a week. Would not advise ever using ts.
TLDR: I recommend subq for trt, delts and ventroglutes for higher doses. Personal preference is a big factor tho.
What size needle to use for certain sites:
Next, let's discuss needle sizes. Needles are measured in Gauges (Lower Gauge= Thicker Needle) and in length (distance from tip of the needle to the start of the syringe). For oil-based substances such as steroids, many medical practitioners use a 23-25g needle that is 1-1.5 inches in length for intramuscular injection. I would say to disregard this advice, however. I have found success using a 29g 1/2 inch (much smaller) needle for both intramuscular and subcutaneous injection. To simplify my advice on needle size, I have made a handy chart.
How to use chart for your oil:
For Ethyl Oleate: subtract 1 from the gauge
For MCT: Keep the same gauges
For GSO: add 1 or 2 to the gauge
For Sesame Oil, Cottonseed Oil, other oils: Same as gso but no needles under 28g
This chart is not law, it is just general guidelines.
How to use chart for your oil:
For Ethyl Oleate: subtract 1 from the gauge
For MCT: Keep the same gauges
For GSO: add 1 or 2 to the gauge
For Sesame Oil, Cottonseed Oil, other oils: Same as gso but no needles under 28g
| Type of injection | Subcutaneous | Shallow IM in Deltoids, lats, ventroglutes, quads | Deep IM in Deltoids, lats, ventroglutes, quads Shallow IM in Glutes | Really deep if you are fat | |
| Injection Amount | |||||
| >0.25 cc/ml | 30-31g 5/16 inch | 29-30g 1/2 inch | Don't do it | 25g 1.5 inch... fucking fatass | |
| 0.25-0.5 cc | 28g 1/2 inch | 29g 1/2 inch | 27g 1 inch | 25g 1.5 inch | |
| 0.5-1 cc | Don't do it | 27g 1/2 inch | 27g 1 inch | 25g 1.5 inch | |
| More than 1 cc | Don't do it | Not really advisable | 25g 1 inch | Who is 50% bf running a gram of gear? |
Now that you know what needles to buy, there are three possible configurations you can use to inject:
Option 1 (Best): Luer Lock syringes
You can buy syringes with detachable needles that use a system called Luer Lock. This makes drawing up the oil much easier since you can use a larger needle than the one you are injecting with. Also, you do not have to dull the injection needle by inserting it into the vial. Simply draw up the oil with a big needle (I use 25g), and inject with the needle size of your choice.
Option 2: Backfill syringes
This involves taking the plunger out of the injection syringe and then using the drawing syringe to fill it, then putting the plunger back in. This allows you to not dull the injection needle, but is more expensive than the luer lock method because you have to pay for two syringes.
Option 3: Rawdog (for broke fellas)
Just use the same needle for drawing that you do for injecting. Dulls the needle and takes forever, but at least you save a couple bucks.
You can buy syringes with detachable needles that use a system called Luer Lock. This makes drawing up the oil much easier since you can use a larger needle than the one you are injecting with. Also, you do not have to dull the injection needle by inserting it into the vial. Simply draw up the oil with a big needle (I use 25g), and inject with the needle size of your choice.
Option 2: Backfill syringes
This involves taking the plunger out of the injection syringe and then using the drawing syringe to fill it, then putting the plunger back in. This allows you to not dull the injection needle, but is more expensive than the luer lock method because you have to pay for two syringes.
Option 3: Rawdog (for broke fellas)
Just use the same needle for drawing that you do for injecting. Dulls the needle and takes forever, but at least you save a couple bucks.
Part 3: Tips on actually injecting the steroids.
A couple of tips beforehand:
1) Do not aggressively stab the needle. Also do not go slow. Think of it like you are trying to put a thumbtack through a piece of paper, and go at the speed you think would cause the least damage to the paper.
2) Do not apply too much pressure to the plunger. Applying more pressure to the plunger will not make the injection go faster. It is more likely that your hand slips and/or you cause more damage to the tissue.
Now, go forth and pin!
Watch this video on how to draw up the dosage:
Then refer back to Part 2 to see how to inject your specific site.
1) Do not aggressively stab the needle. Also do not go slow. Think of it like you are trying to put a thumbtack through a piece of paper, and go at the speed you think would cause the least damage to the paper.
2) Do not apply too much pressure to the plunger. Applying more pressure to the plunger will not make the injection go faster. It is more likely that your hand slips and/or you cause more damage to the tissue.
Now, go forth and pin!
Watch this video on how to draw up the dosage:
Then refer back to Part 2 to see how to inject your specific site.
Lmk if yall think this guide is helpful.
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