Ex-christian now,am atheist to the abrahamic god

[yandex99]

its because both the bible and quran describe Yahweh/Allah as deceptive,which means i can never trust him even into eternity in heaven.

even if I make it,I will always wonder if he is deceiving me.

I am more accurately a gnostic Christian,I don't believe in the bible but rather the gospels of gnosticism and the gospel of egypt.

 

[iblamexyz]

you never had true faith if you walked away from Chrisianity

 

[yandex99]

you never had true faith if you walked away from Chrisianity

it doesn't matter

your god decieves

how can anyone trust his promises?

 

[BR32]

you never had true faith if you walked away from Chrisianity

christians always say this

holy cope

 

[BR32]

it doesn't matter

your god decieves

how can anyone trust his promises?

Mogger PFP

 

[Cozymaxx]

Religion is Jester, nothing matters LOL, it's just an institute to control proles and suck donations out of them. There is nothing, no saving, no god only cruel randomness of genetics and suffering.

 

[BR32]

Religion is Jester, nothing matters LOL, it's just an institute to control proles and suck donations out of them. There is nothing, no saving, no god only cruel randomness of genetics and suffering.

Life is pain, anyone who says otherwise is selling something.

 

[thomasjiooo]

its because both the bible and quran describe Yahweh/Allah as deceptive,which means i can never trust him even into eternity in heaven.

even if I make it,I will always wonder if he is deceiving me.

I am more accurately a gnostic Christian,I don't believe in the bible but rather the gospels of gnosticism and the gospel of egypt

Gnostic JFL

 

[yandex99]

Religion is Jester, nothing matters LOL, it's just an institute to control proles and suck donations out of them. There is nothing, no saving, no god only cruel randomness of genetics and suffering.

what about dr.dean radin proving psychic abilities?out of body experiencers can also astrally project and give accurate information.

 

[thomasjiooo]

suck donations

Retard, the most religious churches don’t require tithes

 

[Cozymaxx]

what about dr.dean radin proving psychic abilities?out of body experiencers can also astrally project and give accurate information.

nigga you for real?

 

[Cozymaxx]

Retard, the most religious churches don’t require tithes

Fuck you, still jester even without donations.

 

[Canthus23]

you never had true faith if you walked away from Chrisianity

because its impossible if u actually read the bible

 

[yandex99]

Retard, the most religious churches don’t require tithes

the immorality of the bible couldn't make me leave because of fear

but once you know the being you worship is deceptive,it kind of is pointless to believe

 

[thomasjiooo]

the being you worship is deceptive

Prove it

 

[thomasjiooo]

Fuck you, still jester even without donations.

How tf is a religion which teaches you to be private in your worship jester, you’re retarded

 

[yandex99]

Prove it

The Biblical God As a Deceiver

by

Bassam Zawadi

You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving (refer here).

So, I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver; thus, by the Christian missionary criteria, the Biblical God is immoral and should not be worshipped.

We read in:

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The word for deceived here is nasha, which means:

1) to beguile, deceive

a) (Niphal) to be beguiled

b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive

c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html

John Gill states in his commentary:

surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

The New Bible Commentary states:

Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)

Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said, and this is what we have to accept. God deceived innocent people.

It seemed that people were so bothered by Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception would be ascribed to the false prophets instead.

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

We have it in:

1 Kings 22:20-22

20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'

22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here, we see that the man said he would resort to lying to entice Ahab, and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

I have no moral objections to this since I believe God could sometimes use means of deception to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.

We even have it in:

Ezekiel 14:9-11

9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place. Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage:

Isaiah 37:6-7

Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' "

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible:

Isaiah 19:14

The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here, we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God; however, this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time:

John 16:25

25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

The word paroimia could mean:

1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking

a) a current or trite saying, a proverb

2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth

a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying

b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons

c) an allegory

1) extended and elaborate metaphor

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html

Why wasn't Jesus always speaking in a normal and clear way? Why did Jesus then say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why:

Mark 4:10-12

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so they wouldn't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

So, will God delude people so that they can believe lies?

 

[yyk117]

i can always understand that someone does not want to follow a religion but i can never understand how someone can deny the existence of a superior

 

[iblamexyz]

christians always say this

holy cope

if you would have true faith you would leave

so many ''blackpilled'' user I am 100% telling you if a cute blonde smiled at them tmrw they would forget all about and muh looks theory same with Chrisianity

 

[Cozymaxx]

How tf is a religion which teaches you to be private in your worship jester, you’re retarded

IDGAF to be honest, don't care about religions too much. Will not seek arguments and disapprove anything. Cuz I don't want to lol.

 

[iblamexyz]

because its impossible if u actually read the bible

im confused do agree with me or not?

 

[Canthus23]

im confused do agree with me or not?

what im saying is that i dont think its possible to fully believe if u read the bible
so im not man

 

[iblamexyz]

what im saying is that i dont think its possible to fully believe if u read the bible
so im not man

I'm confused, but if you're saying if you read the Bible daily or at least four times a week, you don't walk away from the faith, I would absolutely agree. I just don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

 

[Canthus23]

I'm confused, but if you're saying if you read the Bible daily or at least four times a week, you don't walk away from the faith, I would absolutely agree. I just don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

im disagreeing
i think that a lot of stuff in the bible doesnt make any sense

 

[yandex99]

I'm confused, but if you're saying if you read the Bible daily or at least four times a week, you don't walk away from the faith, I would absolutely agree. I just don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me.

wtf are u smoking?Slavery,child slavery,rape,deception,ethnocide,cannibalism etc are all valid reasons to leave and anyone who read the bible would come across these verses

 

[iblamexyz]

Slavery,child slavery,rape,deception,ethnocide,cannibalism

First of all, let's not turn a blind eye and pretend like you don't see that shit on this forum also, right? As much as it's probably satirical, you still see that there. And when it comes to the Bible and the Old Testament, majority of that is in context, right? And you have to read that, understand that during the time period and cultural context.

 

[yandex99]

First of all, let's not turn a blind eye and pretend like you don't see that shit on this forum also, right? As much as it's probably satirical, you still see that there. And when it comes to the Bible and the Old Testament, majority of that is in context, right? And you have to read that, understand that during the time period and cultural context.

malachi said god doesn't change

jehovah is also a deciever,so its useless to trust him and thus believe in him.

 

[iblamexyz]

jehovah is also a deciever,so its useless to trust him and thus believe in him.

I don't worship Jehovah because I'm not a Jehovah's Witness.

malachi said god doesn't change

I admire your IQ, so you listened to philosophers instead of the actual Bible, and that's why you stopped being a Christian.

 

[yandex99]

I don't worship Jehovah because I'm not a Jehovah's Witness.


I admire your IQ, so you listened to philosophers instead of the actual Bible, and that's why you stopped being a Christian.

Malachi is a prophet of YHWH

are you even christian?I was a fundamentalist,I know my bible better than you

 

[iblamexyz]

Malachi is a prophet of YHWH

are you even christian?I was a fundamentalist,I know my bible better than you

ohhh yes I've ever that verse b4

Very easy to dispute that verse. The fact is, God hasn't changed.

 

[tomahawk]

Agree with the bible point but the Quranic perspective on the deceptiveness of God has been debunked a few times already.

 

[yandex99]

Agree with the bible point but the Quranic perspective on the deceptiveness of God has been debunked a few times already.

no it hasn't....he sends down devils to the disbelievers enticing them with enticement(ayah),leads astray those whom he wills,is responsible for all evil because of qadr,says he would save all of humanity if he willed but he desires to make jinn and men fuel for the fire etc

another devil god

 

[tomahawk]

no it hasn't....he sends down devils to the disbelievers enticing them with enticement(ayah),leads astray those whom he wills,is responsible for all evil because of qadr,says he would save all of humanity if he willed but he desires to make jinn and men fuel for the fire etc

another devil god

That's just the concept of being all-Powerful lmao low IQ ass nigga

 

[yandex99]

That's just the concept of being all-Powerful lmao low IQ ass nigga

true,but that is why God cannot exist
to be sovereign like any diety means you're responsible for all evil

but to be God you must also be perfect

 

[tomahawk]

true,but that is why God cannot exist
to be sovereign like any diety means you're responsible for all evil

but to be God you must also be perfect

You try to defy God with logic, that's your issue
You can't prove him logically, he is beyond it
You can only believe out of blind faith and a sprinkle of teleological argument, and I do

 

[yandex99]

You try to defy God with logic, that's your issue
You can't prove him logically, he is beyond it
You can only believe out of blind faith and a sprinkle of teleological argument, and I do

I believe in God,just not that he is creator of this material reality of evil and suffering

I am gnostic christian

do you even know anything about gnosticism?it's that jesus is from the true light of love,compassion and total peace while yahweh is a false demiurge creator below him of this reality the chief archon

atleast believe in neoplatonism,it makes more sense than your abrahamic bullshit

 

[tomahawk]

I believe in God,just not that he is creator of this material reality of evil and suffering

I am gnostic

do you even know anything about gnosticism?

atleast believe in neoplatonism,it makes more sense than your abrahamic bullshit

Waste of time trying to defy The Ultimate Being, the one beyond anything with logic
You're doomed to play around with yourself before realization hits you

 

[crazyguy]

Religion is Jester, nothing matters LOL, it's just an institute to control proles and suck donations out of them. There is nothing, no saving, no god only cruel randomness of genetics and suffering.

ur funny

 

[yandex99]

Waste of time trying to defy The Ultimate Being, the one beyond anything with logic
You're doomed to play around with yourself before realization hits you

sure thing bro just blindly believe some sheep herders high off ayahuasca like substances that your fairytale god is true because schizo muhammed said so

 

[tomahawk]

sure thing bro just blindly beleive some sheep ehrders high off ayahuasca like susbstances that your fairytale god is true because schizo muhammed said so

Яндекс? Я кстати сейчас с Яндекса сижу

 

[yandex99]

Яндекс? Я кстати сейчас с Яндекса сижу

im not russian

 

[tomahawk]

im not russian

Yandex? I'm using Yandex right now

 

[yandex99]

Yandex? I'm using Yandex right now

loving mother russia /=/being russian

 

[tomahawk]

loving mother russia /=/being russian

 

[yandex99]

View attachment 4963225

men weynak?hal anta russi aw shishani?

 

[tomahawk]

Triple no correlation

loving mother russia

I don't

/=/being russian

I'm not
And that remark has 0 proper links to the discussion

men weynak?hal anta russi aw shishani?

And random arab spew spew

 

[thomasjiooo]

The Biblical God As a Deceiver

by

Bassam Zawadi

You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving (refer here).

So, I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver; thus, by the Christian missionary criteria, the Biblical God is immoral and should not be worshipped.

We read in:

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The word for deceived here is nasha, which means:

1) to beguile, deceive

a) (Niphal) to be beguiled

b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive

c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html

John Gill states in his commentary:

surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

The New Bible Commentary states:

Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)

Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said, and this is what we have to accept. God deceived innocent people.

It seemed that people were so bothered by Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception would be ascribed to the false prophets instead.

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

We have it in:

1 Kings 22:20-22

20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'

22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here, we see that the man said he would resort to lying to entice Ahab, and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

I have no moral objections to this since I believe God could sometimes use means of deception to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.

We even have it in:

Ezekiel 14:9-11

9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place. Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage:

Isaiah 37:6-7

Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' "

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible:

Isaiah 19:14

The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here, we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God; however, this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time:

John 16:25

25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

The word paroimia could mean:

1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking

a) a current or trite saying, a proverb

2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth

a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying

b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons

c) an allegory

1) extended and elaborate metaphor

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html

Why wasn't Jesus always speaking in a normal and clear way? Why did Jesus then say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why:

Mark 4:10-12

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so they wouldn't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

So, will God delude people so that they can believe lies?

Dnr, form your own opinions

 

[thomasjiooo]

The Biblical God As a Deceiver

by

Bassam Zawadi

You won't hear enough of Christian missionaries arguing that the Qur'an describes Allah as plotting and deceiving (refer here).

So, I think it is only fair if we return them the favor and show how the God of the Bible is a deceiver; thus, by the Christian missionary criteria, the Biblical God is immoral and should not be worshipped.

We read in:

Jeremiah 4:10

Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

The word for deceived here is nasha, which means:

1) to beguile, deceive

a) (Niphal) to be beguiled

b) (Hiphil) to beguile, deceive

c) (Qal) utterly (infinitive)

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1144094423-2544.html

John Gill states in his commentary:

surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem:
what the false prophets did, that God is said to do, because he suffered them to deceive the people; (John Gill, The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

The New Bible Commentary states:

Jeremiah is not indifferent to the message, which he is called to preach. In v 10 a note is struck to which he will return in relation to himself (15:18). In his distress he accuses the Lord of having deceived the people, presumably by having allowed false prophets to convince them with a message of peace (cf. 6:13-14). The only reply is the Lord's own confirmation that judgment is sure. (New Bible Commentary)

Even though it was really the false prophets who did the act of deception, the Bible is actually shifting the blame to God for actually allowing the false prophets to do the deception. This is what the "inspired" author Jeremiah said, and this is what we have to accept. God deceived innocent people.

It seemed that people were so bothered by Jeremiah's ascription of deception to God that they had to reword the sentence so that deception would be ascribed to the false prophets instead.

Ah, Lord God! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people
The Targum paraphrases this verse thus: "And I said, Receive my supplication, O Lord God; for, behold, the false prophets deceive this people and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace." The prophet could not reconcile this devastation of the country with the promises already made; and he appears to ask the question, Hast thou not then deceived this people in saying there shall be peace, i.e., prosperity? (Adam Clarke, The Adam Clarke Commentary, Commentary on Jeremiah 4:10, Source)

We have it in:

1 Kings 22:20-22

20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'

22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here, we see that the man said he would resort to lying to entice Ahab, and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

I have no moral objections to this since I believe God could sometimes use means of deception to ensure the greater good and to use deception against evil. However, Christians don't allow this when we talk about Allah deceiving evildoers in the Qur'an. These are double standards.

We even have it in:

Ezekiel 14:9-11

9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place. Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage:

Isaiah 37:6-7

Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.' "

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible:

Isaiah 19:14

The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here, we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God; however, this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time:

John 16:25

25"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

The word paroimia could mean:

1) a saying out of the usual course or deviating from the usual manner of speaking

a) a current or trite saying, a proverb

2) any dark saying which shadows forth some didactic truth

a) esp. a symbolic or figurative saying

b) speech or discourse in which a thing is illustrated by the use of similes and comparisons

c) an allegory

1) extended and elaborate metaphor

Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/3/1146511128-5176.html

Why wasn't Jesus always speaking in a normal and clear way? Why did Jesus then say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why:

Mark 4:10-12

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so they wouldn't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in:

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

So, will God delude people so that they can believe lies?

A whole ass Muslim wrote this, dude debates against divine hiddenness, he literally believes humans corrupted the scriptures, he believes the Bible is man made, so there’s no divine being that wrote any of this, he’s just a retard, same as you, low iq degenerate retard

 

[thomasjiooo]

IDGAF to be honest, don't care about religions too much. Will not seek arguments and disapprove anything. Cuz I don't want to lol.

U made claims and got proven wrong now you don’t care, u seemed to care before, prime example of a monkey who can’t use logic to form his own thoughts

 

[weepmeep]

It's simply because of culture that you were drawn into the latin heresy or, even worse, protestantism. Perhaps you should consider orthodoxy if you still want to find the truth