Expander v Thumbpulling

[mightbecooked123]

What are the pros and cons of an orthodontist expander such as a homeoblock vs thumbpulling every day for 2 mins every 2 hours.

 

[Rhinoplastyordie]

Thumbpulling is a retarded waste of time. The bone needs CONSTANT force to remodel. Constant ≠ 2 minutes every hour.

Palate expander actually mogs

 

[RecessedCels]

What's the difference? Other one works

 

[mightbecooked123]

Thumbpulling is a retarded waste of time. The bone needs CONSTANT force to remodel. Constant ≠ 2 minutes every hour.

Palate expander actually mogs

Some people have said that expander can fuck up your proportions such as widening your nose and fwhr. What's your perspective?

 

[Rhinoplastyordie]

Some people have said that expander can fuck up your proportions such as widening your nose and fwhr. What's your perspective?

Wider fwhr is a good thing

It does widen your nose. Only slightly however and I don't give a shit as I'm getting rhino.

 

[mrmogger2882]

What are the pros and cons of an orthodontist expander such as a homeoblock vs thumbpulling every day for 2 mins every 2 hours.

From what I've seen homeoblock teramogs thumbpulling. Especially if you have TMJ issues as it gets fixed. However I have read on r/denstristy that people on there calling it bullshit (as they are dentists). And people on r/orthotropic calling it amazing (they just use bro science)

 

[mrmogger2882]

Thumbpulling is a retarded waste of time. The bone needs CONSTANT force to remodel. Constant ≠ 2 minutes every hour.

Palate expander actually mogs

Homeoblock expands the palette and is removable as it is only worn at night

 

[Rhinoplastyordie]

Homeoblock expands the palette and is removable as it is only worn at night

Is that a form of palate expansion?
Sounds good tbh because normies won't see it.

 

[mightbecooked123]

From what I've seen homeoblock teramogs thumbpulling. Especially if you have TMJ issues as it gets fixed. However I have read on r/denstristy that people on there calling it bullshit (as they are dentists). And people on r/orthotropic calling it amazing (they just use bro science)

Interesting but does Thumbpulling really not work at all? Not even slightly?

 

[mightbecooked123]

Wider fwhr is a good thing

It does widen your nose. Only slightly however and I don't give a shit as I'm getting rhino.

Same bhai but don't you think jordan barretts fwhr just looks disgusting

 

[mightbecooked123]

Is that a form of palate expansion?
Sounds good tbh because normies won't see it.

Best palate expander from my research and fairly inexpensive too if you do it yourself

 

[Rhinoplastyordie]

Same bhai but don't you think jordan barretts fwhr just looks disgusting

You won't get an excessive fwhr by accident. It might increase your fwhr ever so slightly but your skull isn't just gonna change shape entirely in a few months

 

[Rhinoplastyordie]

Best palate expander from my research and fairly inexpensive too if you do it yourself

I'll look into it

 

[mrmogger2882]

Is that a form of palate expansion?
Sounds good tbh because normies won't see it.

Yes it is a palate expander which use slow expansion, remodels the maxilla and mandible, increases FWHR, Stimulates the cranial sutures for new bone growth and sutural homeostasis, Signals the periodontal ligament and generates an epigenetic response for maxillary growth and facial symmetry, Creates space for teeth straightening ,Promotes proper swallowing and proper tongue posture, Tones the pharyngeal airway and reduces inflammation, Opens the ostia to allow the nitric oxide to reach the back of the nose, Discludes the mandible and allows the jaw to come downward and forward.

The dentist who made this appliance is Dr. Theodore Belfor, a New York based pioneer in the treatment of Cranial Facial Systems.

For even more potential improvement this dentist : "https://wonderofwellness.co.uk/biologicaldentist" has an appliance you can add to you bottom teeth which is for myofunctional therapy. Myo is really good as it trains your face muscles especially the tongue which will make your face symmetrical

 

[mrmogger2882]

Interesting but does Thumbpulling really not work at all? Not even slightly?

I don't I haven't tried I've seen some people have good results from it going from an intermolar width for 32MM to 40MM some even pushing 50MM. But not only from thumbpulling but also from thumbpushing, thumbpulling laterally and forward and reverse thumbpulling

 

[mightbecooked123]

Yes it is a palate expander which use slow expansion, remodels the maxilla and mandible, increases FWHR, Stimulates the cranial sutures for new bone growth and sutural homeostasis, Signals the periodontal ligament and generates an epigenetic response for maxillary growth and facial symmetry, Creates space for teeth straightening ,Promotes proper swallowing and proper tongue posture, Tones the pharyngeal airway and reduces inflammation, Opens the ostia to allow the nitric oxide to reach the back of the nose, Discludes the mandible and allows the jaw to come downward and forward.

The dentist who made this appliance is Dr. Theodore Belfor, a New York based pioneer in the treatment of Cranial Facial Systems.

For even more potential improvement this dentist : "https://wonderofwellness.co.uk/biologicaldentist" has an appliance you can add to you bottom teeth which is for myofunctional therapy. Myo is really good as it trains your face muscles especially the tongue which will make your face symmetrical

How much do you think it will increase fwhr by, also do you think tje bottom expander is worth it ive heard the bottom palate tends to expand along with the upper if you only get the upper expander appliance.

 

[mightbecooked123]

I don't I haven't tried I've seen some people have good results from it going from an intermolar width for 32MM to 40MM some even pushing 50MM. But not only from thumbpulling but also from thumbpushing, thumbpulling laterally and forward and reverse thumbpulling

Please don't tell me you're quoting psl oscar

 

[mrmogger2882]

Please don't tell me you're quoting psl oscar

Yh not only him I've seen about on some website like wondersleep something something he done all of those with towel pulling pushing 50MM.

Oh yh also towel pulling works I can't find the pic but it works. (I will later link it if i find out)

 

[mrmogger2882]

How much do you think it will increase fwhr by, also do you think tje bottom expander is worth it ive heard the bottom palate tends to expand along with the upper if you only get the upper expander appliance.

I've heard as your top palette expands the lower also follow but only if its slow but its RPE/RME then no. I'm not quite sure about this ask your ortho not some guy behind a monitor

The bottom appliance isn't an expander but is for used for myo.

IDK you tell me if there FWHR increased

 

[mightbecooked123]

I've heard as your top palette expands the lower also follow but only if its slow but its RPE/RME then no. I'm not quite sure about this ask your ortho not some guy behind a monitor

The bottom appliance isn't an expander but is for used for myo.

IDK you tell me if there FWHR increased

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Wait wtf none of them ascended even slightly broootal. Is palate expander cope jfl

 

[mrmogger2882]

Wait wtf none of them ascended even slightly broootal. Is palate expander cope jfl

Nigga they are old but their FWHR increased and improved symmetry. This shit isn't going to make you look like jordan

 

[mightbecooked123]

Nigga they are old but their FWHR increased and improved symmetry. This shit isn't going to make you look like jordan

For 400 dollars it better thats almost enough for a ps5

 

[mrmogger2882]

For 400 dollars it better thats almost enough for a ps5

400 dollars bro your crazy bro I'm pretty sure it is in the thousands but don't quote me might different where you live. Also dont forget its not only 400 dollars there initial consultation which will be 70 dollars max then the removal appointment.

Ik this is not related but get a PS5 before GTA6

 

[mightbecooked123]

400 dollars bro your crazy bro I'm pretty sure it is in the thousands but don't quote me might different where you live. Also dont forget its not only 400 dollars there initial consultation which will be 70 dollars max then the removal appointment.

Ik this is not related but get a PS5 before GTA6

Consultation is free where I live lol

 

[mrmogger2882]

Consultation is free where I live lol

Whos your ortho?

 

[mightbecooked123]

Whos your ortho?

I don't really want to say as it would dox me completely

 

[lcberg04]

Thumbpulling is the biggest cope in here I can't believe people actually believe in it.
Removable palate expander is unlikely to get you significant results since the sutures of the maxilla fuse after/during puberty.
There is reason why MARPE, MSE and SARPE exist for adults.
It all depends on how old you are, I wouldn't recommend buying a removable palate expander as it will most likely just cause teeth tipping if you are 18+. But do your own research and see what you believe.

 

[mightbecooked123]

Thumbpulling is the biggest cope in here I can't believe people actually believe in it.
Removable palate expander is unlikely to get you significant results since the sutures of the maxilla fuse after/during puberty.
There is reason why MARPE, MSE and SARPE exist for adults.
It all depends on how old you are, I wouldn't recommend buying a removable palate expander as it will most likely just cause teeth tipping if you are 18+. But do your own research and see what you believe.

Thanks bro I will continue to look into it

 

[Iasverum]

Thumbpulling is a retarded waste of time. The bone needs CONSTANT force to remodel. Constant ≠ 2 minutes every hour.

Palate expander actually mogs

Jfl bones are always remodeling, thumbpulling puts much more force on palate than expander does, good thumbpulling routine is 5 minutes mid intesity every hour, which is enough to widen your palate in long run, depends on your age tho

 

[Iasverum]

Thumbpulling is the biggest cope in here I can't believe people actually believe in it.
Removable palate expander is unlikely to get you significant results since the sutures of the maxilla fuse after/during puberty.
There is reason why MARPE, MSE and SARPE exist for adults.
It all depends on how old you are, I wouldn't recommend buying a removable palate expander as it will most likely just cause teeth tipping if you are 18+. But do your own research and see what you believe.

Sutures are almost never fused

 

[Iasverum]

What are the pros and cons of an orthodontist expander such as a homeoblock vs thumbpulling every day for 2 mins every 2 hours.

Bro fuck thumbpulling if you have money get the fucking expander

 

[lcberg04]

Sutures are almost never fused

Not true after puberty, palatal expansion becomes significantly more challenging due to increased bone density and suture maturation.

 

[Iasverum]

Not true after puberty, palatal expansion becomes significantly more challenging due to increased bone density and suture maturation.

Yes what u said is true, becomes harder but sutures as itself don't fuse, there's a reason why palate expanders work for adults, it's function is no different from thumbpulling but you can't pull your palate apart all the time which is why MSE is a miles ahead in comparsion

 

[mrmogger2882]

I don't really want to say as it would dox me completely

Bro out of all the people in your city your telling me they can find you only. But if u don’t want to I get it

 

[lcberg04]

palate expanders

removable palate expanders dont really work for adults though, at least it isnt used on adults as an orthodontic treatment. MSE, MARPE... are rather used in that case

 

[Ascendingman]

I do thumbpulling and my palate got noticeably wider.
went to college back after 2 months and people asked me if I lost weight (I'm bulking).

 

[Ascendingman]

Consultation is free where I live lol

PM?

 

[mightbecooked123]

PM?

Sure bro

 

[Ascendingman]

Sure bro

you need 100 rep to PM someone apparently JFL
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[mightbecooked123]

you need 100 rep to PM someone apparently JFL
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Over for repcels

 

[Blond3cel]

Nigga they are old but their FWHR increased and improved symmetry. This shit isn't going to make you look like jordan

Look at the nigga from Jawhacks YT he looks like a clown now, palate expander is just a bullshit cope.

 

[mightbecooked123]

Look at the nigga from Jawhacks YT he looks like a clown now, palate expander is just a bullshit cope.

Can they not help?

 

[Blond3cel]

Can they not help?

Help ? yes for medical reasons.
Looks related you gonna barely benefit from it and if your unlucky you gonna expand asymmetrical.

 

[mightbecooked123]

Help ? yes for medical reasons.
Looks related you gonna barely benefit from it and if your unlucky you gonna expand asymmetrical.

So is there no way to fix fwhr and a narrow palate?

 

[mrmogger2882]

Look at the nigga from Jawhacks YT he looks like a clown now, palate expander is just a bullshit cope.

Anomaly

 

[Blond3cel]

Anomaly

No its not plenty of people look same or worse after MSE.

Instead of doing Copes like MSE people should go down the surgery route and get 3 piece Lefort I cause most of them are benefiting from advancement anyway.

 

[mrmogger2882]

No its not plenty of people look same or worse after MSE.

Instead of doing Copes like MSE people should go down the surgery route and get 3 piece Lefort I cause most of them are benefiting from advancement anyway.

Oh no bro I’m not an MSE advocate I was talking about the honeoblock. Yes it gets shitted in online and the results you will see is in older patients however their results look promising.

Also people don’t get expanders for forward growth they need a wide palette for their teeth to fit in

 

[Iasverum]

Help ? yes for medical reasons.
Looks related you gonna barely benefit from it and if your unlucky you gonna expand asymmetrical.

Jfl tf does that meanain't no such a thing as getting wider palate for medical reasons and not looks, fixes your bite, possibly give you more forward growth since narrow palate is sign of recessed maxilla, better nose shape since it brings your cheeckbones higher, etc, and you're going to expand asymmetrical if your dentist is fucking blind ass crackhead and your MSE puts more force on other side

 

[Blond3cel]

Jfl tf does that meanain't no such a thing as getting wider palate for medical reasons and not looks, fixes your bite, possibly give you more forward growth since narrow palate is sign of recessed maxilla, better nose shape since it brings your cheeckbones higher, etc, and you're going to expand asymmetrical if your dentist is fucking blind ass crackhead and your MSE puts more force on other side

MSE expands your airway it you would take 1 minute to read about it and you would know.

It doesnt give you any forward expansion and your cheekbones also dont change at all, give me some pictures to proof your point.

The Jawhacks dude looks way better right ? No his smile is looking like its out of a horror movie now.

 

[anything for psl]

I do thumbpulling and my palate got noticeably wider.
went to college back after 2 months and people asked me if I lost weight (I'm bulking).

how long do you usually pull in a day? i do 90 seconds per hour for 8 hours or as long as im awake