Famous PUA with model tier looks and Harvard degree had a 4.4% success rate with women

[Deleted member 2854]

#metoo. I hoped alos for a better rate.

I recall this blog post from "60 years of challange" back in 2010, aka my pua days.
Pretty interesting read (see attachment), and on the statistics. His clients also reported beforehand a succes/lay rate of on avareg 3% orso.
I never got above 1% orso, and I never seen pua guys irl get above 5% orso from chatting up random women.

That pua coach "60 years of challange", basically said he could get guys to about 20% orso.
he could get dudes to that successrate rate orso by teaching his client to stop trying to impress women and do this (he said):
"There’s only 3 things that are necessary in natural attraction and seduction.
1. Meet woman
2. Don’t break tension even when baited
3. Make sex offer

Wtf is this PDF? It’s a soft sell (‘look how shit these guys’ approach to lay ratios were before they started using my AMAZING system’) and he doesn’t even explain what they did differently (IF these stats are even true - and that’s a big IF)

 

[StoicNihilist]

This is fuckin brutal... if a guy like him is having trouble finding women to date, then it truly is over.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

They also get off on rejecting good looking guys

 

[eduardkoopman]

Wtf is this PDF? It’s a soft sell (‘look how shit these guys’ approach to lay ratios were before they started using my AMAZING system’) and he doesn’t even explain what they did differently (IF these stats are even true - and that’s a big IF)

I highly doubt the "after" starts are true. The before statts seem totally legit. But the after, not really.
That pdf was from a blog post of puacoach 60 years of challenge. His basic suggestion: "sell sex, don't sell yourself". He suggests the approach women, and quickly reject/next women that respond cold. No jestermaxxing. Go to sexual mode asap, aka escalate quickly with physical touching. If she responds cold bad to physical avances next/reject her. Basically, you as the dude stfu, listen and as much and as soon as possible go the physical route. Caressing or handholding should in his opinion be initiated and happen within 15 minutes. If she isn't comfortable with you hand caressing her in 15 minutes. Or you talking to her emmiediately, in his opinion she won't be comfortable with your d in her v.
If she rejects the avances in the process, he suggests to try 2 times in total with soft rejections, and then after 2nd try if rejection he suggests to say sorry and leave immediately the convo.

He's imo right on this.
If a woman isn't decently responsive when you approach her. And if she isn't decently responsive with you touching her. Dump the convo with her asap, she doesn't like the idea of fucking you so everything will likely be time waiste.

 

[Deleted member 3573]

Cold approach is legit. I've only done it about 3 times in my life on the street but I've managed to get a kiss close while a girl was with her friend and I even acted like a creep and followed them out of a club....

 

[Mediocre Normalfag]

@1:49 At least he's honest about looks be very important.

 

[onnysk]

@1:49 At least he's honest about looks be very important.

Still half bluepilled, the guys he quoted are Norwood 1 at 40 years of age and 6'1+

 

[Deleted member 2854]

Cold approach is legit. I've only done it about 3 times in my life on the street but I've managed to get a kiss close while a girl was with her friend and I even acted like a creep and followed them out of a club....

3 isn’t a big enough sample size to say whether it’s legit or not

 

[Deleted member 2632]

approach where? At nightclub yes. But are you saying they approach in day time? Ive never seen that happen

Yes I can confirm they do aporoach in day time in the mall or at a gym, its not as forthcoming as a bar approach but its still somewhat aggressive

Chads dont just clean up on Tinder and Bumble, IRL too, life is easy mode

 

[onnysk]

fuckkk, do u have any anecdotes,

i really wanna hear how they go about doing that, female ego is so fragile and they are so afraid of rejection and also i doubt girls that approach in daytime are over 4psl.

Also i know in some areas of NY girls are super ghetto and ratchet and some even catcall men lmao.

they give indirect clues, like constantly being in your view, touching hair nervously, trying to get close to you, ask you for instructions

they make all these indirect moves so bluepilled husbands cant say anything about them or risk looking weird and jealous

fuck i hate women

 

[moggingmachine]

psl 7

 

[Cretinous]

@1:49 At least he's honest about looks be very important.

"examples like roman polanski and vincent cassel..."

one's a world famous director and the other is a 6'1 icon of french cinema, and while he may not be brad pitt good looking, he is a world apart from the average PUA punter doing spam approaches on the streets of prague and belgrade. God I detest PUA dorks.

 

[NormieKilla]

Cold-approaching should not be twisted with PUA (althought it is strongly entrenched within the pick-up artistry scene).

I wouldn't say that cold-approaching is totally flawed and useless. Hard ? Yes, but the return of investment depends solely on your looks but also on your vibe & character (things like charisma and humor althought it is secondary).

If you are not in the "above-average" range then yes cold-approaching would be a utter inefficient practise and a waste of your time ans energy.

For any +6 dude, you can be sure that the rejections you could face (most of the time) wouldn't be because of not being considered attractive enough but rather because of the sexual unavailability of the girl (she can actually have a BF). You could also score from various angles by exploiting certain niches (be attractive to certain type of girls from certain cultural or socio-economic background).

 

[Averagecel]

psl 7

This.

That guy is not even 6.5 lol.

 

[Alphatimothy]

he's not model looking at all and he's kind of autistic

 

[mikeock]

Thread over, stop coping brehs.

 

[SpearOfOrion]

That guys a 7? Damn yall harsh. He's a 9/10 for the average person imo

 

[mikeock]

That guys a 7? Damn yall harsh. He's a 9/10 for the average person imo

You have a lot to learn, young padawan. Start by googling "psl rating"

 

[Fubarcel]

psl 7

Holy shit, that fucking frame

 

[tyronelite]

It’s so much easier getting woman at the bar than tinder since they’re not bombarded with so many guys messaging her to take her out at that moment.

 

[Deleted member 209]

why does harvard matter lol? being educated decreases your smv by 1.5 points

 

[mikeock]

why does harvard matter lol? being educated decreases your smv by 1.5 points

Don't cope, education helps with neurotypicalness and gives a woman hope for LTR which you can dangle as a carrot to keep her.

 

[CabalReloaded]

Fuck I need that IQ and hairline

 

[MicroPenis]

Paul is a framcel aspie who comes across as a creeper to most women no surprise his numbers are so low

major cope if you think a high status male or a loud nt jock chad has a rate that poor

 

[Deleted member 209]

Don't cope, education helps with neurotypicalness and gives a woman hope for LTR which you can dangle as a carrot to keep her.

no its doesnt. what women rly want is to be in an ltr with a low iq farmer, in the countryside and be part of his farm

 

[chessplayercoper23]

i used his techniques and had minimal success might upload his pua content on my channel

 

[Mustang19]

Women demand suvhumans how many times do I age to say

 

[goat2x]

this guy has a 100% success rate, a true slayer

 

[Deleted member 3679]

Janka has a good face just too skinny to look like a typical chad jock

 

[IndianJock]

Escort maxxing is more time efficient probably

 

[Usum]

Everyone who's done mass cold approach who's stories I've read have all claimed that a success rate higher than 5% is pretty much impossible. It's kind of like sales (not the same rate but a "good" success rate is much lower than a layman would think)

It must have changed a lot then since the 80s/90s ?
Because I am not Chad and had around 2/3 success but I chose wisely .... after IOIs

 

[LordNorwood]

It must have changed a lot then since the 80s/90s ?
Because I am not Chad and had around 2/3 success but I chose wisely .... after IOIs

Wouldn't consider after an IOI to be a true cold approach

 

[Usum]

Wouldn't consider after an IOI to be a true cold approach

It makes sense.
Any idea what is the success rate of women ?

Not necessarily by design but you can certainly find attractive men and women in that age range in plenty of clubs or lounges. I’ve been to Miami and in Wynwood (artsy hipster neighborhood) I personally saw numerous older men (like 30-50ish) who didn’t seem out of place and that night I saw one who was flirting heavily with these two college aged girls and picked up one of them.

This is obviously anecdotal but you get the point.

Yep.
My daughter explained to me that many teens (her friends of course) fantasize on older men. Like she is afraid people think we are ... you know what.
I must say that teens do actually send IOIs to my old ass sometimes.

 

[Zyzzcel]

His voice is weird as hell. Sounds like a gay best friend. Maybe that's why he isn't getting laid.

 

[Boneisdestiny]

4 percent success rate on tinder is life on easy mode tbh

 

[Pipilika]

Look here a true slayer

 

[wristcel]

Just be a 53 year old with only one working arm

I love how PUA forums seem to attract to many flat out dreamers lol

 

[wristcel]

Where's the source for that 4.4% closing rate?

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Perseverance. An under rated factor in success with females. And a major reason why most Chadly looking guys just settle for a LTR, they don't have the mental stamina to be dating all those women.

how do I persevere when I walk up, bring my A game if she bothers to talk to me, get number then she doesn't pick up? there is no perseverance in that chain. or am I supposed to eyefuck one foid I choose on the bus for example for a month and then try cuck-tier chatting to seem less intimidating? or what? yeah I could get looksmatched gf in hs but I'm not in hs

 

[wristcel]

Good news! You don't need looks at all. Girls are emotional and you can basically use that agaisnt them to bang who you want, Fast!

 

[oldcell]

Its because he dont have a beard
With the beard, his success will be at least 10 percent

 

[Finalchad]

i had 2 friends who were slaying every weekend. and both were average looking and short.
there is a way to connect with woman past looks and stupid approaches.

 

[diggbicc]

Not anymore. Being featured on his insta alone is a draw for e-thots now.

what is his actual mode of operation? he surely can't fuck all the thots... does he have a rotational setup?

 

[Deleted member 6186]

I read his book.

It made sense.

But I wonder how much of worked simply coz he was from Harvard, over 6 foot tall, good looking etc

 

[Deleted member 4438]

That guy is no 7psl in my opinion
And he has an skinny fat body

So 5% success is realistic for him

 

[Moneymaxxed]

My data/ percentage from my "pua" days. We are talking 2007-2010 here. Pre tinder era, but online dating already existed and was getting semi popular.
Less then 1% sex/lay ratio from all the women I chatted up.
About 1/10 lead to a date. And of the ones I went on dates with maybe also 1/10 lead to full sex.
Numbers game, brutal. I was about psl4 at best, and I went after looks matched or better.

1/10 dates leading to sex means something wrong imo, should be like 25-50% at least I think

 

[DrTony]

1/10 dates leading to sex means something wrong imo, should be like 25-50% at least I think

I have nearly 95-100% conversion rate (date-->sex) of all my my tinder/bumble meet ups. 1/10 is absurdly low.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

I have nearly 95-100% conversion rate (date-->sex) of all my my tinder/bumble meet ups. 1/10 is absurdly low.

sample size?

btw this thread motivates me to approach more. a white chad can't get even 5% so being rejected is always based mostly on luck and not looks

 

[Seth Walsh]

Paul Janka was a PUA back in the late 00s who was psl7 in motion. Proof:



Add to that he had some fame and a Harvard degree in physics, so this guy's overall SMV was higher than anyone on this forum. Best thing about this guy was how he would accurately track his success rate with women. He got 3428 numbers and slept with 153 women at one point. That works out to about 4.4% success rate. Even lower if you count the women he chatted up who didn't give the number. Proof here:

Is Paul Janka The Real Deal? | Pick Up Artist Mindset

Paul Janka has recently burst onto the PUA scene with his Attraction Formula e-book. I have never seen him in action besides his exposure on television programs

www.pickupartistmindset.com

Moral of the story: let go of your Handsome Squidward fantasies where you become a bitch magnet after ascending. There is no level of looks or SMV where picking up women will be easy. Women are just super picky by nature and getting with them will always be a numbers game full of rejection and false hope. Remember this as you looksmax and SMVmax

based dude. destroying shit in 2007. shame he cant do the same in 2020

Wow, it's amazing to think that a guy who is that old could still potentially be considered attractive by college girls. I guess stunning good looks really do speak for themselves, even in the face of old(er) age
Paul Janka in 2018:

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It's like his face has practically melted

It's onto tik tok faggots now. Atleast Paul has the memories

 

[MusicMaxxingMidget]

Im just looksmaxxing for myself now because love isnt real