Fasting Muscle Loss

[Deleted member 6111]

Need to (water) fast on Wednesdays and Fridays for religious reasons. Will fasting cause me to lose lean muscle if I'm eating at a calculated deficit the rest of the week? Do I need to accommodate the fasting in my calculations?

 

[Lorsss]

if you don't intake protein, your body will consume muscle tissue into protein and amino acids to be converted into glucose, a chemical which is always needed by your brain

 

[Lorsss]

what religion on earth forces people to fast 2 days straight?

 

[Deleted member 6111]

if you don't intake protein, your body will consume muscle tissue into protein and amino acids to be converted into glucose, a chemical which is always needed by your brain

Ok but will this have a significant impact on muscle mass if I'm fasting two days a week? is it a bad idea if im trying to maintain muscle mass and would it make sense to have less of a deficit on other days or should I just accept it?

 

[Deleted member 6111]

what religion on earth forces people to fast 2 days straight?

wednesdays and fridays arent consecutive. Friday fast is general Christian but Wednesday fast is mainly practiced by Eastern Christians, including Eastern Catholic or Orthodox etc

 

[Cali Yuga]

yeah just eat those days worth of calories the over the next day or two

fasting is very muscle sparing as long as you dont go longer than like 4-7days

 

[Mr.cope]

Yes connor murphy is a good example

 

[Deleted member 6111]

yeah just eat those days worth of calories the over the next day or two

fasting is very muscle sparing as long as you dont go longer than like 4-7days

ah ok cool thanks for the info. do you have a source? understandable if you dont. and if its muscle sparing cant I just keep on normal deficit on other days and ignore the fasting days in my calculations? or is that a bad idea?

 

[Deleted member 6111]

Yes connor murphy is a good example

good example for what?

 

[Deleted member 6111]

yeah just eat those days worth of calories the over the next day or two

fasting is very muscle sparing as long as you dont go longer than like 4-7days

for reference I am very used to fasting (done lenten fast and friday fast for a few years now, so I'm used to it) but now i need to lose weight generally. first time eating at a serious calculated deficit in order to lose bodyfat

 

[Cali Yuga]

ah ok cool thanks for the info. do you have a source? understandable if you dont. and if its muscle sparing cant I just keep on normal deficit on other days and ignore the fasting days in my calculations? or is that a bad idea?

deficits should be calculated on the week imo

instead of thinking 500 deficit on the day think 3500 deficit on the week

you should treat your fast days as a deficit of whatever your TDEE is, dont just ignore them

 

[Deleted member 6111]

deficits should be calculated on the week imo

instead of thinking 500 deficit on the day think 3500 deficit on the week

you should treat your fast days as a deficit of whatever your TDEE is, dont just ignore them

ok cool I understand, thanks

 

[Cali Yuga]

ok cool I understand, thanks

np

gl based and christpilled brother o7

 

[Mr.cope]

good example for what?

Fasting and muscle loss

 

[ae7hyr]

try intermittent fasting

 

[Deleted member 8699]

Need to (water) fast on Wednesdays and Fridays for religious reasons. Will fasting cause me to lose lean muscle if I'm eating at a calculated deficit the rest of the week? Do I need to accommodate the fasting in my calculations?

/itsover/ for muh religioncels

 

[Deleted member 7901]

You actually lose less muscle because of HGH

 

[randomuser2407]

It took Kinobody 10 years to get results that could have taken him 3 years in the gym had he not been doing intermittent fasting before lifting. If you have to fast it's fine as long as you're not in a caloric deficit unless your goal is to lose weight, and as long as you eat before your workouts. Never train while fasted.

 

[karbo]

It took Kinobody 10 years to get results that could have taken him 3 years in the gym had he not been doing intermittent fasting before lifting. If you have to fast it's fine as long as you're not in a caloric deficit unless your goal is to lose weight, and as long as you eat before your workouts. Never train while fasted.

i dont think intermittent fasting was his issue

if you eat the exact same food one day intermittent fasted vs one day regularly, it will affect muscle mass the exact same way and the IF method will burn more fat aswell as increase gh

how is IF harmful in any way? in terms of bodybuilding or health

 

[Deleted member 3020]

fasting is retarded

 

[randomuser2407]

i dont think intermittent fasting was his issue

if you eat the exact same food one day intermittent fasted vs one day regularly, it will affect muscle mass the exact same way and the IF method will burn more fat aswell as increase gh

how is IF harmful in any way? in terms of bodybuilding or health

You can't increase growth hormone by doing intermittent fasting, that's like saying that nofap boosts testosterone, it doesn't, testosterone fluctuates throughout the day, it goes up and down, when you jerk off, it goes down but only temporarily.

And the reason why intermittent fasting is bad is because you need to eat before you train, it doesn't have to be a huge meal, but you need some energy, and if you train while fasted (not eating anything beforehand), you won't burn muscle of course but you'll be weaker because you'll have way less energy, which makes sense since calories are energy, food has calories in it, the more you eat, the more energy you get, of course too much energy is bad because your body will store it as fat eventually, but too little energy is also bad and can lead to plateaus in the gym. If you don't make progress in the gym, then you won't build muscle, it's as simple as that.

So intermittent fasting is bad because you need constant energy throughout the day to gain strength in the gym and get bigger.

There is also another reason why Kinobody made slow progress, it's because he spent most of his 20s partying and getting drunk all the time which prevented him from recovering properly so he progressed much more slowly than he should have. His fanboys keep defending him by saying that he has different goals and just wants the hollywood look but what they don't understand is that no superhero like Batman or Superman would be so lazy that they would neglect their legs and be lazy with their training because they want to party every night as Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. So his training and dieting methods are not only unhealthy, they hurt your progress also. Which is why nobody should ever listen to Kinobody or pay him 60$ for one of his stupid programs. He is just a snake oil salesman, so don't trust him.

 

[karbo]

You can't increase growth hormone by doing intermittent fasting, that's like saying that nofap boosts testosterone, it doesn't, testosterone fluctuates throughout the day, it goes up and down, when you jerk off, it goes down but only temporarily.

And the reason why intermittent fasting is bad is because you need to eat before you train, it doesn't have to be a huge meal, but you need some energy, and if you train while fasted (not eating anything beforehand), you won't burn muscle of course but you'll be weaker because you'll have way less energy, which makes sense since calories are energy, food has calories in it, the more you eat, the more energy you get, of course too much energy is bad because your body will store it as fat eventually, but too little energy is also bad and can lead to plateaus in the gym. If you don't make progress in the gym, then you won't build muscle, it's as simple as that.

So intermittent fasting is bad because you need constant energy throughout the day to gain strength in the gym and get bigger.

There is also another reason why Kinobody made slow progress, it's because he spent most of his 20s partying and getting drunk all the time which prevented him from recovering properly so he progressed much more slowly than he should have. His fanboys keep defending him by saying that he has different goals and just wants the hollywood look but what they don't understand is that no superhero like Batman or Superman would be so lazy that they would neglect their legs and be lazy with their training because they want to party every night as Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. So his training and dieting methods are not only unhealthy, they hurt your progress also. Which is why nobody should ever listen to Kinobody or pay him 60$ for one of his stupid programs. He is just a snake oil salesman, so don't trust him.

i think the reason gh gets increased is because your muscles need protein to keep from breaking down, but your protein intake is 0 when you fast so your body increases gh to increase protein synthesis and preserve the muscles
though i dont believe its beneficial for actual height/bone growth

as for the training, its pretty retarded to train fasted/low carb, i know because i have done it a few times on keto and the 0 energy is indeed
horrible

but you dont have to do that, instead you can train in/after your eating window so you get both IF benefits and the energy for the workout

thoughts? i may still quit IF tbh, i cant cope with insomnia and high cortisol it gives me

 

[randomuser2407]

i think the reason gh gets increased is because your muscles need protein to keep from breaking down, but your protein intake is 0 when you fast so your body increases gh to increase protein synthesis and preserve the muscles
though i dont believe its beneficial for actual height/bone growth

as for the training, its pretty retarded to train fasted/low carb, i know because i have done it a few times on keto and the 0 energy is indeed
horrible

but you dont have to do that, instead you can train in/after your eating window so you get both IF benefits and the energy for the workout

thoughts? i may still quit IF tbh, i cant cope with insomnia and high cortisol it gives me

My point is that you would be laughed at for saying such things to people who are experts in the field, you don't even have any reliable proof to backup your claims. I mentioned nofap because it's the same as with intermittent fasting, it's all broscience, not real science.

 

[karbo]

My point is that you would be laughed at for saying such things to people who are experts in the field, you don't even have any reliable proof to backup your claims. I mentioned nofap because it's the same as with intermittent fasting, it's all broscience, not real science.

yeah tbh im researching fasting and nutrition all day, and at this point im pretty sure any type of fasting is only beneficial to obese people
at the end of the day its calories in and out that matters

 

[randomuser2407]

yeah tbh im researching fasting and nutrition all day, and at this point im pretty sure any type of fasting is only beneficial to obese people
at the end of the day its calories in and out that matters

That's exactly what I have been saying all this time. Intermittent fasting is only beneficial to control your appetite, it doesn't magically make you able to build more muscle and its greatest downside is that without the extra energy that you need, you'll make slower progress in the gym. For someone who has never trained in their life and they are fat, if intermittent fasting can help them to reach their weight loss goal, then it can be beneficial and they don't risk being too weak because their body can use some of their fat as energy.

This is why you don't have to bulk when you are between 15 and 20% body fat, because you can maintain your weight and the higher body fat will be enough for you to recover. So if you never cut to 10%, you can keep gaining strength and muscle for years without ever needing to cut. If I don't look big once I get to the intermediate level, I'll stay between 15 and 20% until I reach the advanced level.

Also, when I talk about intermediate and advanced this is what I mean:


The intermediate strength standards are:
a 135 lb (61.24 kg) overhead press
a 200 lb (90.72 kg) barbell row
a 225 lb (102.06 kg) bench press
a 315 lb (142.89 kg) squat
a 405 lb (183.71 kg) deadlift

The advanced strength standards are:
a 100 lb (45.36 kg) weighted chin up
a 200 lb (90.72 kg) overhead press
a 275 lb (124.74 kg) barbell row
a 315 lb (142.89 kg) bench press
a 405 lb (183.71 kg) squat
a 500 lb (226.8 kg) deadlift

The intermediate level can be reached after 6-12 months of serious training
The advanced level can be reached after 2-3 years.

The time it takes you to reach each level depends on many factors including: your genetics, how consistent you are in your training, how good your diet is, what your body fat percentage is, how well you do progressive overload, if you use proper form, if you get sick a lot, and your age (16 year olds progress slower than 18 year olds on average).

And those numbers take into acount your height and weight, even if you are 5 foot 5 or 6 foot 5 you can reach all of them in that timeframe. And, depending on your leverages, you might be elite on 1 lift or not, taller guys are better at the deadlift because they have longer arms, while shorter guys are better at the bench press.

Taller guys are more likely to reach a 500 lb squat and a 600 lb deadlift after many years of training while shorter guys are more likely to reach a 405 lb bench press after many years of training (AlphaDestiny is a great example at 5 foot 3).