Finalizing my first cycle + questions (roiders gtfih)

[gihk342]

So ive done some research and come up with what i believe is a good stack for me, here are some personal stats including bloodwork:

Age: 16
Height: 173cm (5'8")
Weight: 65kg (143lbs)
Strength and build: Average joe or slightly skinny fat.

Some bloodwork i wanted to include (my lab mostly measures in nmol/L so i had to convert most of this):

Total testosterone is around 346ng/dL:

Estradiol-17beta is around 24.5pg/mL:

SHBG is 12 nmol/L (its usually measured in nmol/L anyways):

Free testosterone (the lab didn't provide what measurement it is in so i assume its ng/dL, which would be 9.9):

These were just some of the things that were measured in my bloodwork, i will attach the full result, ask me if there is any confusion since the test is in Norwegian:

Now that we are done with that, here is what i plan to run and for how long (my goal with this stack is masculinization, increased bone density and put on some lean muscle, overall just look better). It is important to note that i do not want to stunt my growth or my puberty in any way, so call me a retard if this cycle is gonna fuck up my growth or other factors.

Testosterone Enanthate: 200mg 2x a week (will run a 15 week cycle then pct)

HGH: 5iu daily. (start with 2iu and up by 2 the next week and then after that run 5). Gonna run it for really as long as i have the money for it, probably longer than my test cycle. Yes im a retard for thinking this will help me squeeze out a cm or two but let me cope cause i hate being stuck at 5'8"

Ghk-CU: 2mg daily. (I've already been on it for 2 months+ and didn't see much effects but ima just keep running it cause why not).

Mt2: 150 or 200mcg 2x a week. (Been on this for like 1 month now and tbh it just made me get hella moles so idk if im gonna continue running this).

Accutane: 40mg a day then the next 20mg and then the next 40mg etc. (Yes i should've worded that sentence better but im retarted so i just hope you understood what i meant, ive been on accutane for 2 weeks now, im in the purging phase and i dont have much side effects apart from slightly dry lips and skin and some lower back pain).

Arimidex: 0.25mg EOD. (Will maybe up the dose to 0.5mg EOD if it doesn't reduce my E2 enough since i am paranoid i will accidentally close my growth plates). Or i may do this routine that i found in a BOTB thread (idk whats better so please help me out):

Ancillaries:
Fish oil: 2000mg daily
Vitamin d3: 20mcg daily
Vitamin k2: 200mcg daily
Zinc 26mg daily

And then for PCT we have:
hCG: 500iu 2x a week. (Will start pinning on the same day i pin test and start on last 5 weeks of my cycle) (will use it for like up until 2 months after cycle maybe?? (help me out))

Nolvadex: 20mg daily 2 weeks after my last test injection. (Will use it for 6 weeks)

Problems i currently have with the stack:
I don't have enough money to buy a sufficient amount of HGH. I already have test, arimidex, ghkcu, hcg, mt2 and really everything else except for nolvadex and hgh.
So my question is: should i just start with my cycle now and add hgh later when i save up enough money (will likely get hgh around week 7-8 of my cycle) or should i wait until i get my hgh before beginning my cycle? I want to get visible results before summer/during summer which means it wouldn't be optimal to start the cycle later. Any thoughts?

Another problem i have is with the consistency of my bloodwork. Since i am underage i don't have any effective way of getting bloodwork. Right now i get bloodwork when asking my general practitioner for it, and i cant do that frequently, which means i could be getting bloodwork maybe around every 3 months but i cant really make sure its consistent. Will this be a problem or is every 3 months fine?

I don't have any liver support ancillaries, but they shouldn't really be needed unless im taking oral steroids i think. The only liver stressing meds i take is accutane i assume.

Very important concerns:
I have read that high doses of test can significantly raise blood pressure and may lead to severe cardiovascular problems. Should i be concerned about getting high blood pressure from my dose (400mg weekly)? And if so how should i prevent it? Most medication like telmisartan requires a prescription and i don't have any sources i can buy blood pressure meds from. Would it be risky starting my cycle without any effective way to lower my blood pressure? (I am pretty scared of getting high bp). Any other ways i can lower it?

If im correct arimidex doesn't lower local E2 in growth plates, only serum E2. Would that be a problem if i would want to delay the closure of my growth plates? Or is it fine?

I'm concerned i may experience hair loss from the increased DHT in my body. Should i buy some finasteride and use it? I kinda don't want to lower my DHT since its pretty good to have a lot of while in puberty.

Final notes:
I appreciate any answers i can get and thoughts about whether im retarted or not. Tell me if there is anything i should modify or change in my stack and if any additional info is needed. Thanks for reading bhai i spent some time making this post.

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

Testosterone Enanthate: 200mg 2x a week (will run a 15 week cycle then pct)

Trust me that "cycle" will turn into TRT

you will become addicted to injecting test

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

Arimidex: 0.25mg EOD. (Will maybe up the dose to 0.5mg EOD if it doesn't reduce my E2 enough since i am paranoid i will accidentally close my growth plates). Or i may do this routine that i found in a BOTB thread (idk whats better so please help me out):

Use aromatase
No point in arimedex in a cycle unless you need cheaper

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Use aromatase
No point in arimedex in a cycle unless you need cheaper

I’m sure someone who doesn’t know how to spell Aromasin is qualified to give his opinion on which AI to use

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

I’m sure someone who doesn’t know how to spell Aromasin is qualified to give his opinion on which AI to use

Stfu nigga I made a single mistake, and if that's your only argument, you didn't disprove my point

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Retarded idea and I say this as someone who puts looks over health for the most part.

HCG is suppressive, I don’t know which retarded said that you should take it for PCT, you need

#1Enclomephine which will fuck with your growthplates or

#2Kisspeptin-10 which is not well researched or

#3 You just stop cold turkey and wait longer for gnrh to come back.

As you can see you have 3 bad choices, that’s why if you do decide to roid during puberty, you’d need to Blast and Cruise with HMG to not castrate you, but most teens won’t be able to do this correctly and will thus fuck themselves up somehow anyway.

Just eat the hairloss do not fucking take anything which inhibits 5ar systemically while in puberty.

Also there is no way to tell if you have high BP without a BP cuff anyway, which I assume you don’t have.

You should always have ancillaries for everything on hand, but 400mg weekly probably won’t lead to high BP anyway, even if it does you won’t die instantly, but it is very unhealthy.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Stfu nigga I made a single mistake, and if that's your only argument, you didn't disprove my point

Have you ever used any AI? Or are you just regurgitating whatever you read from retards on here.

Anastrozole has a linear dose response curve unlike exemastane, that alone makes it 10x easier to dose correctly and not over suppress yourself.

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

Have you ever used any AI? Or are you just regurgitating whatever you read from retards on here.

Anastrozole has a linear dose response curve unlike exemastane, that alone makes it 10x easier to dose correctly and not over suppress yourself.

Ah then I see the issue
Is it about concentration? or dose potency difference?

 

[gihk342]

Use aromatase
No point in arimedex in a cycle unless you need cheaper

I chose it cause its easier to dose + cheaper

 

[gihk342]

Retarded idea and I say this as someone who puts looks over health for the most part.

HCG is suppressive, I don’t know which retarded said that you should take it for PCT, you need

#1Enclomephine which will fuck with your growthplates or

#2Kisspeptin-10 which is not well researched or

#3 You just stop cold turkey and wait longer for gnrh to come back.

As you can see you have 3 bad choices, that’s why if you do decide to roid during puberty, you’d need to Blast and Cruise with HMG to not castrate you, but most teens won’t be able to do this correctly and will thus fuck themselves up somehow anyway.

Just eat the hairloss do not fucking take anything which inhibits 5ar systemically while in puberty.

Also there is no way to tell if you have high BP without a BP cuff anyway, which I assume you don’t have.

You should always have ancillaries for everything on hand, but 400mg weekly probably won’t lead to high BP anyway, even if it does you won’t die instantly, but it is very unhealthy.

So the problem is with the pct? Not the cycle itself?

 

[gihk342]

Trust me that "cycle" will turn into TRT

you will become addicted to injecting test

Nah brah ima pct no matter what

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Ah then I see the issue
Is it about concentration? or dose potency difference?
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Dose potency, 25mg isn’t double of 12.5mg obviously it’s not perfect for any medication ever but anastrozole is better than exemastane in that regard.

Concentration over time is also almost meaningless, since the hormonal effects continue even after serum levels drop because of Exemastane destroying the aromatase forever.

 

[insignia_]

Trust me that "cycle" will turn into TRT

Is it really that good? I imagine it’ll probably happen to me once I start too lmfao

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

So the problem is with the pct? Not the cycle itself?

I mean you won’t see crazy gains off 400mg t weekly but it’s not useless, the problem is with you doing it in puberty.

 

[gihk342]

I mean you won’t see crazy gains off 400mg t weekly but it’s not useless, the problem is with you doing it in puberty.

Since im doing it in puberty i was thinking i would see gains in other areas and not only muscle. Thats why im gonna do it now.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Since im doing it in puberty i was thinking i would see gains in other areas and not only muscle. Thats why im gonna do it now.

You won’t man stop with the cope.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Is it really that good? I imagine it’ll probably happen to me once I start too lmfao

I was confused at first by your post.

But T causes no euphoria so you won’t get truly addicted off it.

You’ll just have trouble producing it again after stopping but you can restart it after some time usually.

 

[gihk342]

You won’t man stop with the cope.

brah whatever, let me cope, if you believe hard enough it will happen. Anyways do you see any other problems except the hcg thing

 

[Histamine]

So ive done some research and come up with what i believe is a good stack for me, here are some personal stats including bloodwork:

Age: 16
Height: 173cm (5'8")
Weight: 65kg (143lbs)
Strength and build: Average joe or slightly skinny fat.

Some bloodwork i wanted to include (my lab mostly measures in nmol/L so i had to convert most of this):

Total testosterone is around 346ng/dL:
View attachment 4708035
Estradiol-17beta is around 24.5pg/mL:
View attachment 4708048
SHBG is 12 nmol/L (its usually measured in nmol/L anyways):
View attachment 4708052
Free testosterone (the lab didn't provide what measurement it is in so i assume its ng/dL, which would be 9.9):
View attachment 4708059

Why is your total test so low.

I'm averaging 950 ng/dl for my last 4 bloodtests with a shitty diet and no sleep.

Getting on test with relatively low T at 16 is going to worsen sides anyways.

Consult an endocrinologist rn.

 

[insignia_]

I was confused at first by your post.

But T causes no euphoria so you won’t get truly addicted off it.

You’ll just have trouble producing it again after stopping but you can restart it after some time usually.

Ah I meant is it that good because people often report mental benefits (more drive, motivation, etc.) and I thought that’s what the guy was originally referring to. I do recognize that I would need to be on TRT for life if PCT didn’t work though.

 

[gihk342]

Why is your total test so low.

I'm averaging 950 ng/dl for my last 4 bloodtests with a shitty diet and no sleep.

Getting on test with relatively low T at 16 is going to worsen sides anyways.

Consult an endocrinologist rn.

idk brah, thats why i need the 400mg test my only problem is the growth plates

 

[Histamine]

Try to understand why your test is so low in the first place. See what can be done. Then, start pinning

idk brah, thats why i need the 400mg test my only problem is the growth plates

 

[gihk342]

Try to understand why your test is so low in the first place. See what can be done. Then, start pinning

Its been low my whole life

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

Is it really that good? I imagine it’ll probably happen to me once I start too lmfao

libido and mood mainly

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

idk brah, thats why i need the 400mg test my only problem is the growth plates

Man your testosterone is like -2 standard deviations, there has to be a reason to this
You're borderline hypogonadal

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

Is it really that good? I imagine it’ll probably happen to me once I start too lmfao

A lot of people I asked who actually took test who just wanted a short cycle for like 12 weeks turned it into 2 years, I might try to find the person who told me

 

[gihk342]

Man your testosterone is like -2 standard deviations, there has to be a reason to this
You're borderline hypogonadal

I genuinely cant think of why, like i haven’t done anything special that may contribute to this. Yes i have maybe slept a bit poor or eaten a bit trash and drank some soya sauce with sushi, but i don’t see how those things can impact my testosterone that much when other people do the same or even worse and have higher test

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

Nah brah ima pct no matter what

believe

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

I genuinely cant think of why, like i haven’t done anything special that may contribute to this. Yes i have maybe slept a bit poor or eaten a bit trash and drank some soya sauce with sushi, but i don’t see how those things can impact my testosterone that much when other people do the same or even worse and have higher test

I mean we aren't endocrinologists. It could purely be genetics. But it could've been higher

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Ah I meant is it that good because people often report mental benefits (more drive, motivation, etc.) and I thought that’s what the guy was originally referring to. I do recognize that I would need to be on TRT for life if PCT didn’t work though.

Yeah mental benefits mostly happen when someone is naturally low T but you do still feel some changes even if your T was normal before, but again it doesn’t cause dependence mentally.

 

[gihk342]

I mean we aren't endocrinologists. It could purely be genetics. But it could've been higher

my uncle has the same problem so i guess its genetics

 

[rotation]

don't roid if you are going to PCT after a single cycle

the ROI is shitty

 

[insignia_]

Yeah mental benefits mostly happen when someone is naturally low T but you do still feel some changes even if your T was normal before, but again it doesn’t cause dependence mentally.

Yeah, I know there’s no dependence. Is there barely any difference if my natural total T is 800 ish?

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

brah whatever, let me cope, if you believe hard enough it will happen. Anyways do you see any other problems except the hcg thing

You believe in theory that you will have your E2 in control but, practically it won’t be the case, you won’t keep your E2 100% of the time on the low end of normal, even if it’s possible theoretically.

You will probably end up closing your plates faster.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Yeah, I know there’s no dependence. Is there barely any difference if my natural total T is 800 ish?

Barely and you shouldn’t do it for the mental benefits, which im assuming you mean. It can also have negative effects like increased aggressiveness or unnecessary risk taking.

But it will obviously make a huge difference if we’re talking muscle.

But your T levels are very normal and shouldn’t be a problem unless you have absurdly high SHBG levels which likely aren’t your case.

 

[gihk342]

don't roid if you are going to PCT after a single cycle

the ROI is shitty

wont my test just return to normal

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Dude I didn’t look at the natty T levels and yeah you’re legitimately almost hypogonadal.

Maybe it’s late puberty? But I’d definitely get that checked out and if you’re already in puberty I’d personally do TRT anyway, I’m not telling you to do it but, you probably do have some issue.

 

[rotation]

wont my test just return to normal

maybe, maybe not

what is your issue with TRT?

 

[insignia_]

Barely and you shouldn’t do it for the mental benefits, which im assuming you mean. It can also have negative effects like increased aggressiveness or unnecessary risk taking.

But it will obviously make a huge difference if we’re talking muscle.

But your T levels are very normal and shouldn’t be a problem unless you have absurdly high SHBG levels which likely aren’t your case.

Got it. Yeah I wouldn’t do it just for the mental benefits regardless. Mostly for my physique

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

wont my test just return to normal

Maybe, but why?

first there’s obviously the risk of not making a recovery

#2 even if you do recover it’s not guaranteed that you’ll get your levels from before you hopped on back

#3 you’ll lose the gains

#4 you hop on gear confuse your brain, you tell it to start back up again and then you crash it again. Like what?

 

[gihk342]

maybe, maybe not

what is your issue with TRT?

Cause the profession i want and im currently studying for doesn’t allow trt

 

[gihk342]

Dude I didn’t look at the natty T levels and yeah you’re legitimately almost hypogonadal.

Maybe it’s late puberty? But I’d definitely get that checked out and if you’re already in puberty I’d personally do TRT anyway, I’m not telling you to do it but, you probably do have some issue.

Foid doctor says its normal and even accused me of roiding cause my free t was slightly high

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Foid doctor says its normal and even accused me of roiding cause my free t was slightly high

She’s fucking retarded, 350ng/dl is the level of fucking 50 year olds, even if their Jewish manual says 300 ng/dl is the limit

 

[poreskin]

i

So ive done some research and come up with what i believe is a good stack for me, here are some personal stats including bloodwork:

Age: 16
Height: 173cm (5'8")
Weight: 65kg (143lbs)
Strength and build: Average joe or slightly skinny fat.

Some bloodwork i wanted to include (my lab mostly measures in nmol/L so i had to convert most of this):

Total testosterone is around 346ng/dL:
View attachment 4708035
Estradiol-17beta is around 24.5pg/mL:
View attachment 4708048
SHBG is 12 nmol/L (its usually measured in nmol/L anyways):
View attachment 4708052
Free testosterone (the lab didn't provide what measurement it is in so i assume its ng/dL, which would be 9.9):
View attachment 4708059

These were just some of the things that were measured in my bloodwork, i will attach the full result, ask me if there is any confusion since the test is in Norwegian:

View attachment 4708064View attachment 4708066View attachment 4708067


Now that we are done with that, here is what i plan to run and for how long (my goal with this stack is masculinization, increased bone density and put on some lean muscle, overall just look better). It is important to note that i do not want to stunt my growth or my puberty in any way, so call me a retard if this cycle is gonna fuck up my growth or other factors.

Testosterone Enanthate: 200mg 2x a week (will run a 15 week cycle then pct)

HGH: 5iu daily. (start with 2iu and up by 2 the next week and then after that run 5). Gonna run it for really as long as i have the money for it, probably longer than my test cycle. Yes im a retard for thinking this will help me squeeze out a cm or two but let me cope cause i hate being stuck at 5'8"

Ghk-CU: 2mg daily. (I've already been on it for 2 months+ and didn't see much effects but ima just keep running it cause why not).

Mt2: 150 or 200mcg 2x a week. (Been on this for like 1 month now and tbh it just made me get hella moles so idk if im gonna continue running this).

Accutane: 40mg a day then the next 20mg and then the next 40mg etc. (Yes i should've worded that sentence better but im retarted so i just hope you understood what i meant, ive been on accutane for 2 weeks now, im in the purging phase and i dont have much side effects apart from slightly dry lips and skin and some lower back pain).

Arimidex: 0.25mg EOD. (Will maybe up the dose to 0.5mg EOD if it doesn't reduce my E2 enough since i am paranoid i will accidentally close my growth plates). Or i may do this routine that i found in a BOTB thread (idk whats better so please help me out):
View attachment 4708100

Ancillaries:
Fish oil: 2000mg daily
Vitamin d3: 20mcg daily
Vitamin k2: 200mcg daily
Zinc 26mg daily

And then for PCT we have:
hCG: 500iu 2x a week. (Will start pinning on the same day i pin test and start on last 5 weeks of my cycle) (will use it for like up until 2 months after cycle maybe?? (help me out))

Nolvadex: 20mg daily 2 weeks after my last test injection. (Will use it for 6 weeks)

Problems i currently have with the stack:
I don't have enough money to buy a sufficient amount of HGH. I already have test, arimidex, ghkcu, hcg, mt2 and really everything else except for nolvadex and hgh.
So my question is: should i just start with my cycle now and add hgh later when i save up enough money (will likely get hgh around week 7-8 of my cycle) or should i wait until i get my hgh before beginning my cycle? I want to get visible results before summer/during summer which means it wouldn't be optimal to start the cycle later. Any thoughts?

Another problem i have is with the consistency of my bloodwork. Since i am underage i don't have any effective way of getting bloodwork. Right now i get bloodwork when asking my general practitioner for it, and i cant do that frequently, which means i could be getting bloodwork maybe around every 3 months but i cant really make sure its consistent. Will this be a problem or is every 3 months fine?

I don't have any liver support ancillaries, but they shouldn't really be needed unless im taking oral steroids i think. The only liver stressing meds i take is accutane i assume.

Very important concerns:
I have read that high doses of test can significantly raise blood pressure and may lead to severe cardiovascular problems. Should i be concerned about getting high blood pressure from my dose (400mg weekly)? And if so how should i prevent it? Most medication like telmisartan requires a prescription and i don't have any sources i can buy blood pressure meds from. Would it be risky starting my cycle without any effective way to lower my blood pressure? (I am pretty scared of getting high bp). Any other ways i can lower it?

If im correct arimidex doesn't lower local E2 in growth plates, only serum E2. Would that be a problem if i would want to delay the closure of my growth plates? Or is it fine?

I'm concerned i may experience hair loss from the increased DHT in my body. Should i buy some finasteride and use it? I kinda don't want to lower my DHT since its pretty good to have a lot of while in puberty.

Final notes:
I appreciate any answers i can get and thoughts about whether im retarted or not. Tell me if there is anything i should modify or change in my stack and if any additional info is needed. Thanks for reading bhai i spent some time making this post.

im at the exact same height and weight, what is your bodyfat percentage?



also, Im looking to hop on test cus i lowkey have a baby face, how did u get it checked u js ask?

 

[gihk342]

She’s fucking retarded, 350ng/dl is the level of fucking 50 year olds, even if their Jewish manual says 300 ng/dl is the limit

worst part is she is a fat fucking jewish pig, i saw her fucking eating brownies while i was waiting for my blood test. So there is no point of trying to get anything out of my doctor, i managed to barely get the bloodwork i needed

 

[gihk342]

i

im at the exact same height and weight, what is your bodyfat percentage?



also, Im looking to hop on test cus i lowkey have a baby face, how did u get it checked u js ask?

im around 12-15% bodyfat, i also have a babyface.

If you asked how i got my blood tests i just begged my doctor for it

 

[i cant lie cant lie]

#1Enclomephine which will fuck with your growthplates or

could you elaborate

HCG is suppressive, I don’t know which retarded said that you should take it for PCT, you need

on those

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

could you elaborate


on those

Don’t have much time rn but hcg mimics LH so if the hypothalamus thinks there’s enough serum LH then it won’t release GNRH thus you not having natural production start up again.

And Enclo is a weak agonist of the ER receptor so it would theoretically further Chondrocyte proliferation, but I’m not 100% on what I said about Enclo but I wouldn’t risk it either

 

[gihk342]

bump, need more thoughts

 

[gihk342]

bump