finasteride or dutasteride

[Copercel]

Im talking about REAL side effect such as stroke - gymneco etc not some depressed low libido guy

That is very rare in both. Nobody cares about that JFL.

The real things that people are actually scared of are ED and depression (it’s rare aswell though).

 

[piec]

If you go to places like

r/tressless
r/Finasteride
HairLossTalk forums
PropeciaHelp

You will see that they do report that dut have more potent sides than fin.
Like this for example:

you are literally braindead if you think reddit posts are any form of even the slightest evidence

You guys over complicated it for no reason

meanwhile types a 300 word salad to justify his retarded take, stop embarrasing yourself

 

[chadisbeingmade]

You will see that they do report that dut have more potent sides than fin.

That’s cope. It’s the same chance of sides realistically. Some studies even show Finasteride had deleterious effects on erectile function, while dutasteride didn’t, for example this one:

https://dacemirror.sci-hub.se/journal-article/4d5eee736ad2b591281f4949849028a4/amory2008.pdf?download=true

Just pop Dut:

Opinions change. T1 isoenzyme is just present in such an insignificant quantity in bone it won’t make any change in virilization.

Option 1: Start finasteride, stabilize hair loss, unlikely regrowth, hair loss begins again after 5-7 years, start dutasteride, great response, significant regrowth and thickening, zero sides, you will be thinking "Why didn't I just start dutasteride to begin with?"

Option 2: Start dutasteride, great response, maintain for 10-20+ years, full peace of mind.

 

[Arminus]

Opinions change. T1 isoenzyme is just present in such an insignificant quantity in bone it won’t make any change in virilization.

Option 1: Start finasteride, stabilize hair loss, unlikely regrowth, hair loss begins again after 5-7 years, start dutasteride, great response, significant regrowth and thickening, zero sides, you will be thinking "Why didn't I just start dutasteride to begin with?"

Option 2: Start dutasteride, great response, maintain for 10-20+ years, full peace of mind.

Dut is more expensive so I say if ur a Poorcel go to Fin at least you gain something for ur hair

 

[Copercel]

you are literally braindead if you think reddit posts are any form of even the slightest evidence


meanwhile types a 300 word salad to justify his retarded take, stop embarrasing yourself

How I justified his take exactly?

 

[jeff1234]

If you go to places like

r/tressless
r/Finasteride
HairLossTalk forums
PropeciaHelp

You will see that they do report that dut have more potent sides than fin.
Like this for example:



It’s still very effective.
Fin is cheap asf and easier to get, so why spend more money and effort on something that won’t really make a difference.
Again, my main claim is that If you’re not on roids, or you’re not already balding and you got good hair genetics then
Choosing between dut and fin won’t really matter (since they both help), but since fin is cheaper, just use it, you can take dut, it will be just a bit more expensive and hard to source. So use fin unless your case is very severe.

Not if you have good genetics, you’re not roiding and you’re not already way behind and balding already- in that case, just use dut.
Fin has clinical evidence of efficacy in over 90% of early-stage AGA cases.

You won’t continue to bald while on fin if you are not roiding, have decent+ genetics for hair, and if you’re not already balding, and if you do, worst case scenario- just switch to dut….

You guys over complicated it for no reason.

let me know your thoughts
@chadisbeingmade @jeff1234 @Evgeniy291

Only reason to use fin over dut is price.

 

[jeff1234]

Dht is the problem = you block dht you dont block 1/5
What is the point of taking drugs that blocks it and still have it

I would say 70% of DHT blocked is kinda significant, not like dut but still.

 

[Eren]

Fin will block just enough DHT, you don’t need to crush your DHT for no reason if you’re not balding and not on roids.

Side effects are milder.

If you DO get sides then fin half life is shorter than dut, so you can stop using it and it will leave your system quickly.

sides are identical on both

 

[Copercel]

sides are identical on both

Yeah I was wrong.

 

[Eren]

Yeah I was wrong.

i'm shedding like crazy on dut since april, i don't even know if it works

 

[Copercel]

i'm shedding like crazy on dut since april, i don't even know if it works

That how it should be.youre fine. You will probably stop shading next month-two months.

 

[iblamexyz]

which do you prefer

both

 

[Evgeniy291]

If you go to places like

r/tressless
r/Finasteride
HairLossTalk forums
PropeciaHelp

You will see that they do report that dut have more potent sides than fin.
Like this for example:



It’s still very effective.
Fin is cheap asf and easier to get, so why spend more money and effort on something that won’t really make a difference.
Again, my main claim is that If you’re not on roids, or you’re not already balding and you got good hair genetics then
Choosing between dut and fin won’t really matter (since they both help), but since fin is cheaper, just use it, you can take dut, it will be just a bit more expensive and hard to source. So use fin unless your case is very severe.

Not if you have good genetics, you’re not roiding and you’re not already way behind and balding already- in that case, just use dut.
Fin has clinical evidence of efficacy in over 90% of early-stage AGA cases.

You won’t continue to bald while on fin if you are not roiding, have decent+ genetics for hair, and if you’re not already balding, and if you do, worst case scenario- just switch to dut….

You guys over complicated it for no reason.

let me know your thoughts
@chadisbeingmade @jeff1234 @Evgeniy291

Dut isn’t necessary unless ur running hardcore steroids that are known to fuck up hair
I have dut on hand for my next cycle.
But ive been using fin and RU on my cycle with just test and rad and that worked

 

[2414763h]

Dut is superior but can’t lie price is a huge factor

 

[glaruz]

Dutasteride and 2.5mg from the start if you can afford. Just superior results and you will skip potential shedding phases. Only exception is maybe if you are true NW0 (with giga sensitive eyes), with 0 family history and want to be safe just in case.

 

[Copt]

@grok what do you think

 

[kenibba]

dutasteride is objectively the better one. but i am gonna get on finasteride soon cuz im still in puberty (although towards the end 17) and i doubt my pediatrician would prescribe me duta for hairloss.

 

[Lefort3OrDeath]

which do you prefer

Obviously dut but I'm stuck with fin for now fuckkk TND it's all they're fault

 

[Copercel]

dutasteride is objectively the better one. but i am gonna get on finasteride soon cuz im still in puberty (although towards the end 17) and i doubt my pediatrician would prescribe me duta for hairloss.

you know that fin while puberty is bad too right?

 

[kenibba]

you know that fin while puberty is bad too right?

yes. just not as bad because not all dht is blocked.

 

[superpsycho]

dihhhtasteride

 

[´´´´´´´´]

Dut is more expensive so I say if ur a Poorcel go to Fin at least you gain something for ur hair

0.5mg every 3 days is cheaper and still more effective than high dose fin

 

[Copercel]

yes. just not as bad because not all dht is blocked.

what matters is what type of 5AR is being inhibited, and while youre on puberty, you need both of them to be active.

 

[Copercel]

which do you prefer

haha why is bro banned

 

[kenibba]

what matters is what type of 5AR is being inhibited, and while youre on puberty, you need both of them to be active.

clav said that once you're 16, all of dhts functions in puberty have been met.

 

[Copercel]

clav said that once you're 16, all of dhts functions in puberty have been met.

its different for everybody, dont do dut and fin until youre done with puberty for case, also, are you already balding at 17?

 

[kenibba]

its different for everybody, dont do dut and fin until youre done with puberty for case, also, are you already balding at 17?

ive noticed like very slight recession.

 

[Copercel]

ive noticed like very slight recession.

apply RU for now. start using 5ari in a year.

 

[kenibba]

apply RU for now. start using 5ari in a year.

alright

 

[Arminus]

ive noticed like very slight recession.

Immediately always get on a Inhibitor the Norwood reaper is a back stabber

 

[mafrauder]

The reason I choose fin over dut that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet:

Type 1 enzyme that dut blocks supports sebum production, this is part of why some ppl say they get less acne from dut, it has an accutane like effect of lowering sebum production.

Fin doesn’t block type 1 so you won’t lower sebum, type 2 is the main one for hair loss so blocking it will give good results for most ppl.

Sebum is demonized but it’s actually crucial for aging and a chad trait as long as u don’t produce way too much.

I took accutane before and barely produce enough sebum now, so when I took dut it made my skin and hair too dry and gave an unhealthy/aged appearance.

This probably not something a lot of people have to consider but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Basically:
If you produce too much sebum = dut is a good option
Not enough or just enough sebum = avoid dut and take fin to avoid dryness

 

[Eren]

Dut is superior but can’t lie price is a huge factor

I pay between 9€ and 17€ per 30 pills in France
Maybe I could get reimbursed

 

[2414763h]

I pay between 9€ and 17€ per 30 pills in France
Maybe I could get reimbursed

I can’t lie I’m 17 so I haven’t found any use of them since I never have used any steroids before and my hair is fine

 

[Eren]

The reason I choose fin over dut that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet:

Type 1 enzyme that dut blocks supports sebum production, this is part of why some ppl say they get less acne from dut, it has an accutane like effect of lowering sebum production.

Fin doesn’t block type 1 so you won’t lower sebum, type 2 is the main one for hair loss so blocking it will give good results for most ppl.

Sebum is demonized but it’s actually crucial for aging and a chad trait as long as u don’t produce way too much.

I took accutane before and barely produce enough sebum now, so when I took dut it made my skin and hair too dry and gave an unhealthy/aged appearance.

This probably not something a lot of people have to consider but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Basically:
If you produce too much sebum = dut is a good option
Not enough or just enough sebum = avoid dut and take fin to avoid dryness

I believe this is reversible for DUT
Maybe this is why I look dull
But actually no, I already looked dull some days before dut

You will look like shit if your hairline is not solid (need high contrast), skin can be enhanced with skincare hydration etc

 

[Eren]

I can’t lie I’m 17 so I haven’t found any use of them since I never have used any steroids before and my hair is fine

So don’t use it
Just be ready in case you start balding

 

[chadisbeingmade]

The reason I choose fin over dut that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet:

Type 1 enzyme that dut blocks supports sebum production, this is part of why some ppl say they get less acne from dut, it has an accutane like effect of lowering sebum production.

Fin doesn’t block type 1 so you won’t lower sebum, type 2 is the main one for hair loss so blocking it will give good results for most ppl.

Sebum is demonized but it’s actually crucial for aging and a chad trait as long as u don’t produce way too much.

I took accutane before and barely produce enough sebum now, so when I took dut it made my skin and hair too dry and gave an unhealthy/aged appearance.

This probably not something a lot of people have to consider but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Basically:
If you produce too much sebum = dut is a good option
Not enough or just enough sebum = avoid dut and take fin to avoid dryness

T1 isoenzyme effects on sebum production have been mentioned multiple times.

Having good elastin is also crucial for aging. Loss of it can only be prevented. Fin will do jack shit.

In terms of anti ageing Dut mogs without a doubt.

 

[iblamemandible7]

(with giga sensitive eyes)

What does this mean

 

[iblamemandible7]

what matters is what type of 5AR is being inhibited, and while youre on puberty, you need both of them to be active.

What do you think 5ar is important for

I'm almost 18 at norwood 2 but definitely haven't finished puberty, I'm less dimorphic than guys my age, but I'll probably have to get on fin by next year or my shit is cooked

Hard to weigh the pros and cons, either fuck with my development or continue receding

 

[Copercel]

What do you think 5ar is important for

I'm almost 18 at norwood 2 but definitely haven't finished puberty, I'm less dimorphic than guys my age, but I'll probably have to get on fin by next year or my shit is cooked

Hard to weigh the pros and cons, either fuck with my development or continue receding

Just hop on dut, especially if you’re already NW2.

 

[iblamemandible7]

Just hop on dut, especially if you’re already NW2.

You don't think it'll stunt my height or face

 

[Copercel]

You don't think it'll stunt my height or face

No… you will most likely will finish puberty by then. You’re good. Also dut doesn’t cause bone loss.

https://dacemirror.sci-hub.se/journal-article/4d5eee736ad2b591281f4949849028a4/amory2008.pdf?download=truehttps://dacemirror.sci-hub.se/journal-article/4d5eee736ad2b591281f4949849028a4/amory2008.pdf?download=true

“We have demonstrated that chronic administration of a 5ARI, either dutasteride or finasteride, has no demonstrable effect on BMD, bone turnover or serum lipoproteins…”

 

[butterfly401]

dut but wait till 25 so your bones develop properly

 

[glaruz]

What does this mean

You might think you are nw0-1, but actually diffuse thinning and already lost 30%+ of your hair. Your eyes do not notice the balding. This eye sensitivity is probably the reason most notice too late. Especially diffuse thinners.

This is important because later you notice it and think it is a shed, balding itself progressing, drugs not working. You also need regrowth and 5ar inhibitors alone are not enough while you think you are nw0-1 and only need to maintain.

 

[iblamemandible7]

You might think you are nw0-1, but actually diffuse thinning and already lost 30%+ of your hair. Your eyes do not notice the balding. This eye sensitivity is probably the reason most notice too late. Especially diffuse thinners.

This is important because later you notice it and think it is a shed, balding itself progressing, drugs not working. You also need regrowth and 5ar inhibitors alone are not enough while you think you are nw0-1 and only need to maintain.

Ohhh yea I see what you mean

My shit is thinning in a big ass patch on my temples and some days it looks like nw1 but its actually like nw2, absolutely brutal