First Cycle + PCT protocol feedback

[redskies42]

188cm, 180lbs, 17%bf, 28yo

goal = gain 20 pounds lean mass over 16 wks, hopefully keep more than 50% after pct
Yes pct, I understand the "pct is cope" mentality but im not looking to bnc just yet.
Conservative cycle, minimum effective dose mentality, single anabolic compound

Bloodwork Pre (LH, FSH, Prolactin, Test, shbg)
Bloodwork 4 wks post PCT
No sensitive E2 test ($$$)

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Cycle (16 weeks)
wk 1-3 - Test E 250mg/wk, EOD subq
wk 4-6 - Test E 350mg/wk, EOD subq
wk 7-16 - Test E 500mg/wk, EOD subq
wk 13-15 - Hcg 500iu/wk, EOD im
wk 16-18 - Hcg 500iu/wk, E3D im

Aromasin - on hand, 6.25-12.5mg EOD, only if symptoms of elevated e2
Nolvadex - on hand, as a last resort if gyno, 20mg ED
Finasteride - on hand, if shedding, lowers scalp dht within days

note: I want to start w a lose dose to see how my body reacts and to get familiar with pinning. Less oil probably means easier.
Hcg to increase chances of a speedy recovery. Possibly will run hcg for 16wks @ 250iu EOD instead of 6 weeks @500iu EOD.
Feedback on hcg dose/timeframe appreciated.

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PCT (6 weeks, Starting 2 weeks after last pin)
wk 1-4 - Enclomiphene 6.25ml EOD
wk 5-6 - Enclomiphene 6.25ml E3D

note: I know this is a rather low enclo dose, goal is to mitigate potential eye issues, which still exist w enclo.
Can always use more if needed.

Will also have nolva on hand, but research says combining serms can be counterproductive.
Feedback/input welcome.

high iq user tag @aids

 

[India lover 52]

your not gaining 20 lean pounds from 18 weeks of 500 test while titrating more realistic expectation is like 8-10lbs post pct if you wanna gain 20 pounds then just cruise at 200 for a month or 2 and do another cycle then pct or just add in another compound

 

[aids]

500 of p a week for minimum 16 weeks with HCG alongside then HCG and rFSH or HMG for months after.

 

[bignigga]

500 of p a week for minimum 16 weeks with HCG alongside then HCG and rFSH or HMG for months after.

Are you against the use of enclomiphene on top as a "PCT"? Wouldn't it + HCG on cycle reactivate LH and FSH faster than just HCG by itself?

Or is it just fucking pointless

 

[aids]

Are you against the use of enclomiphene on top as a "PCT"? Wouldn't it + HCG on cycle reactivate LH and FSH faster than just HCG by itself?

Or is it just fucking pointless

Fucking stupid retard, literally never reply to one of my posts again, I am so tired of people like you saying the most retarded shit.
Get off the fucking forum.

 

[aids]

Are you against the use of enclomiphene on top as a "PCT"? Wouldn't it + HCG on cycle reactivate LH and FSH faster than just HCG by itself?

Or is it just fucking pointless

Yeah bro just use something that inhibits the negative feedback signaling of high estrogen when the high testosterone is going to suppress you while on cycle (or using HCG) regardless.
Literally learn the fucking shit you're talking about before you decide to spout bullshit theories you utter moron.
Holy shit, I would literally step on you if you were in the fetal position on the sidewalk given it would help to contribute to a better gene pool, fuck me.

 

[bignigga]

Yeah bro just use something that inhibits the negative feedback signaling of high estrogen when the high testosterone is going to suppress you while on cycle (or using HCG) regardless.
Literally learn the fucking shit you're talking about before you decide to spout bullshit theories you utter moron.
Holy shit, I would literally step on you if you were in the fetal position on the sidewalk given it would help to contribute to a better gene pool, fuck me.

God damn nigga

I didn't mean enclo on cycle I meant HCG along the test on cycle, then enclo post cycle. I was asking what the difference would be between that option and just HCG.

 

[aids]

God damn nigga

I didn't mean enclo on cycle I meant HCG along the test on cycle, then enclo post cycle. I was asking what the difference would be between that option and just HCG.

HCG ALONGSIDE & AFTER STANDALONE BRO READ.
SORRY FOR BEING RUDE.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.

 

[redskies42]

your not gaining 20 lean pounds from 18 weeks of 500 test while titrating more realistic expectation is like 8-10lbs post pct if you wanna gain 20 pounds then just cruise at 200 for a month or 2 and do another cycle then pct or just add in another compound

What is your opinion on doing a 16 wks cycle of Test 200-250mg/wk + Reta, then doing a 12 wks cycle of 500g/wk Test?
The goal of the low dose cycle first (kinda like a cruise) is to lower bf% for blast and to look good for summer.
Then blast for 12 wks starting in september, where bloat and physique matters less

 

[India lover 52]

What is your opinion on doing a 16 wks cycle of Test 200-250mg/wk + Reta, then doing a 12 wks cycle of 500g/wk Test?
The goal of the low dose cycle first (kinda like a cruise) is to lower bf% for blast and to look good for summer.
Then blast for 12 wks starting in september, where bloat and physique matters less

Sounds like a good idea as long as your not doing a PCT between cycles, SERMS arn't good for you just cruise on trt between cycles, you could also throw in a cutting compound like mast, dhb or anavar if you want more dry gains during your cut but don't want to bloat and pct at the end if you want or just keep crusing

 

[wassupsub5]

in my opinion

extend cycle to 24 weeks

weeks 1-4: 250mg, pinning everyday
weeks 5-20: 500mg, pinning everyday
weeks 21-24: 250mg and start hcg
start pct: continue with hcg for like 2 more weeks then hop off and only do enclo

you will be able to gain 20lbs as long as diet is in check

 

[redskies42]

in my opinion

extend cycle to 24 weeks

weeks 1-4: 250mg, pinning everyday
weeks 5-20: 500mg, pinning everyday
weeks 21-24: 250mg and start hcg
start pct: continue with hcg for like 2 more weeks then hop off and only do enclo

you will be able to gain 20lbs as long as diet is in check

Thanks. How much do you think ill be able to keep after pct? Assuming still training and good diet? I know answer varies, but estimation

 

[wassupsub5]

Thanks. How much do you think ill be able to keep after pct? Assuming still training and good diet? I know answer varies, but estimation

I kept 60% after my first cycle but it all varies on diet, training and most importantly, genetics (feel free to rep if i helped lol)