First cycle

[MediterraneanPill]

I am planning on doing my first cycle of 100 test 250 DHB. What do you guys think? Ancillaries will be hcg 250iu 2x a week, tadalifil 5mg daily, nac 3g daily, astaxanthin 12mg daily, ru58841, accutane if needed, nolvadex pct. What do u guys think? I am 17 so I am running the test pretty low to avoid speeding up epiphysial fusion. During of 20 weeks. It's also worth nothing that I am a low aromatizer.

 

[dxoforprez]

any ai?

 

[Escanor1]

WHAT THE FUCK EVEN IS THIS STACK ITS TERRIBLE

 

[MediterraneanPill]

WHAT THE FUCK EVEN IS THIS STACK ITS TERRIBLE

whats wrong with it?

 

[MediterraneanPill]

any ai?

would I even need one at 100 test and 250 dhb? doesn't dhb lower estrogen + an already pretty low test base?

 

[Escanor1]

whats wrong with it?

like everything shitty first cycle also why u doing so little test just do test and eq for first cycle ur growth paltes wont speed up maybe some anavar or halo if u wanna grow taller

 

[dxoforprez]

would I even need one at 100 test and 250 dhb? doesn't dhb lower estrogen + an already pretty low test base?

i’d bump up the test, and switch the dhb for ai since it directly lowers estrogen production

 

[MediterraneanPill]

like everything shitty first cycle also why u doing so little test just do test and eq for first cycle ur growth paltes wont speed up maybe some anavar or halo if u wanna grow taller

bro I appreciate the help but I gotta push back a little bit bc this sounds ridiculous. the low test is bc it is just a base while dhb does the main anabolism without aromatizing, test and eq means high amounts of estrogens present at the growth plate, and anavar at safe doses does not provide anabolism as strong as dhb (dhb is also potentially thermogenic), and halo is just trash and overly toxic for something that other compounds can do better.

 

[MediterraneanPill]

i’d bump up the test, and switch the dhb for ai since it directly lowers estrogen production

why would I bump up the test and add an ai when I could skip the step, avoid local aromatization in the growth plates by having a lower amounts of aromtizing androgens?

 

[Escanor1]

bro I appreciate the help but I gotta push back a little bit bc this sounds ridiculous. the low test is bc it is just a base while dhb does the main anabolism without aromatizing, test and eq means high amounts of estrogens present at the growth plate, and anavar at safe doses does not provide anabolism as strong as dhb (dhb is also potentially thermogenic), and halo is just trash and overly toxic for something that other compounds can do better.

eq litterly stops estrogen converion and halo is not trash best drug for growth velocity its not even that toxic ur gonna be fine bro

 

[dxoforprez]

why would I bump up the test and add an ai when I could skip the step, avoid local aromatization in the growth plates by having a lower amounts of aromtizing androgens?

you can’t reliably “avoid estrogen at growth plates” the real issue is overall hormone levels, not trying to bypass aromatization with different compounds

 

[MediterraneanPill]

eq litterly stops estrogen converion and halo is not trash best drug for growth velocity its not even that toxic ur gonna be fine bro

eq keeps E2 in check by occupying the aromatase enzyme so less testosterone gets converted into estrogen in your bloodstream, but since your growth plates fuse in response to streogen in the growht plates, not just what's floating in your blood, that enzyme competition doesn't protect you, also e2 isn't the sole growth plate fuser. the extremely high amounts (possibly 100's of times greater than natural levels) of weak estrogens will speed up closure itself

 

[MediterraneanPill]

you can’t reliably “avoid estrogen at growth plates” the real issue is overall hormone levels, not trying to bypass aromatization with different compounds

so again, still no point of higher test and an ai

 

[dxoforprez]

so again, still no point of higher test and an ai

maybe not higher test if you don’t want, but i’d fs take ai if you’re concerned a lot about estrogen