First date, what do you do?

[Deleted member 6695]

anyway 25 asians 15 latinas

You are stealing women from the true incels such as ricecels

 

[Enfant terrible]

I agree. That's the problem I have and the other dude doesn't really get it, but it's exactly what's happening and imo it's never a mood to escalate. This is the problem.
It would seem very creepy to go for a kiss tbh, considering how my dates went so far. 100% autistic behaviour in this case, imo. There's something really missing as a prerequisite for even going for a kiss.

If you dont vibe you dont vibe.
What was the text convo like before the date?

 

[Deleted member 10536]

you dont apply 100%



shitty subreddit and etc but the gist of it is true.

I really try to do the eye contact for example, but the girls rarely look at me. But when they do, I never lose their eyes. That's as far as it goes tbh, jfl.
The second girl I went on date with had some really beautiful deep ocean blue eyes. Real nice colour, it was frying my brains a bit whenever our eyes met.
Then I sent her a message on tinder "I liked looking into your eyes. Very beautiful colour. Too bad, that our eyes rarely got to meet each other" been told yesterday that this is creepy thing to send. But I just genuinely felt this way and Really liked her eyes and regret we didn't get to see each other eyes a bit more...

 

[Deleted member 10536]

If you dont vibe you dont vibe.
What was the text convo like before the date?

It was incredibly silly, I just didn't care, so I wrote some silly dumb things, in like 4 messages. She replied with a silly message and asked where I liked walking. Then I talked a bit about my walking experiences/hiking. And she said she'd be interested in a walk with me, so I asked her to go on a walk with me and agreed on time.
I can talk about the other girl too, it's a bit crazier.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

read Amnesia tinder adventure threads, his approach is smooth as fuck once they are at his place

his dating skills are A-Game

Link? I think I've read, well I did read many threads about tinder game. Things is you got to look the part, and I ain't no chad. I can't do really crazy stuff. Actually tried to be very sexual on a few lower smv girls, they just unmatched without a reply.

 

[Enfant terrible]

It was incredibly silly, I just didn't care, so I wrote some silly dumb things, in like 4 messages. She replied with a silly message and asked where I liked walking. Then I talked a bit about my walking experiences/hiking. And she said she'd be interested in a walk with me, so I asked her to go on a walk with me and agreed on time.
I can talk about the other girl too, it's a bit crazier.

It's probably because of the difference in your personality.
If you're not good looking they expect you to be this hyper nt guy.

Link? I think I've read, well I did read many threads about tinder game. Things is you got to look the part, and I ain't no chad. I can't do really crazy stuff. Actually tried to be very sexual on a few lower smv girls, they just unmatched without a reply.

If youre not chad amnesia stuff wont work.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Link? I think I've read, well I did read many threads about tinder game. Things is you got to look the part, and I ain't no chad. I can't do really crazy stuff. Actually tried to be very sexual on a few lower smv girls, they just unmatched without a reply.

i‘m talking about the date itself, no idea how he texts with them before meeting

 

[Deleted member 10536]

i understand it completely you idiot, which is why is aid it's fine to get rejected. you getting rejected will get you out of your headspace and let you vibe with other girls in the future. it should make you less high inhib. at least, in theory. esxposure therapy is legit.

That'd be true, if I managed to get the dates consistently, but I don't. So taking such huge risks seems counter intuitive. I think it's less than 5% of working out, which would require 20 dates at least.
Dude, it took me 20+ years to get 2 dates. Ijdk...

 

[Deleted member 7098]

It's probably because of the difference in your personality.
If you're not good looking they expect you to be this hyper nt guy.

If youre not chad amnesia stuff wont work.

bullshit

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

This will never get you to succeed with your dates. Your dates do not fail because of something little that you say or some topic that is too bland that you should have switched off of, or anything trivial like that.

Think about it from the womans perspective. Women dont care about your life goals, your passions, or anything like that. They want to talk about themselves, something that relates to themselves, or something that they want. This is why they will talk to chad for hours and hours even if what he says isnt interesting, because they want to be with him and validate him. If your dates dont genuinely want to talk to you, if you have to keep pushing conversations because the women dont keep the conversation going, then its over before it even begins. It seems to me like these women are not that interested in you. If you dont have what the woman wants, which is being sexually attractive and/or having resources that she can take and use for herself, then your conversation skills, escalation skills, etc. are useless.

 

[Enfant terrible]

bullshit

then try it

 

[Deleted member 10536]

i‘m talking about the date itself, no idea how he texts with them before meeting

Ye still, can't act as a chad, if you're not a chad. You're just a creep at that point. I think I can do anything with a girl, given a chance - touch, kiss, grab tits. I won't have a problem, I believe, but there has to be a precedent. The girl should be into me, like me, flirty, etc. It's just that it is never appropriate. They'd just instantly leave me or call the police, idk.
It's like going up to a random girl on a street and asking to kiss her. Seriously that'd be an equivalent.

 

[Enfant terrible]

This will never get you to succeed with your dates. Your dates do not fail because of something little that you say or some topic that is too bland that you should have switched off of, or anything trivial like that.

Think about it from the womans perspective. Women dont care about your life goals, your passions, or anything like that. They want to talk about themselves, something that relates to themselves, or something that they want. This is why they will talk to chad for hours and hours even if what he says isnt interesting, because they want to be with him and validate him. If your dates dont genuinely want to talk to you, if you have to keep pushing conversations because the women dont keep the conversation going, then its over before it even begins. It seems to me like these women are not that interested in you. If you dont have what the woman wants, which is being sexually attractive and/or having resources that she can take and use for herself, then your conversation skills, escalation skills, etc. are useless.

brutal blackpill truth

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Ye still, can't act as a chad, if you're not a chad. You're just a creep at that point. I think I can do anything with a girl, given a chance - touch, kiss, grab tits. I won't have a problem, I believe, but there has to be a precedent. The girl should be into me, like me, flirty, etc. It's just that it is never appropriate. They'd just instantly leave me or call the police, idk.
It's like going up to a random girl on a street and asking to kiss her. Seriously that'd be an equivalent.

he literally sits on the other side of the couch, not touching them for hours when talking to make them feel comfortable and easy with him.

even a chad doesn‘t want them to perceive him as a horny low value guy, take your time and let them get to know you

then try it

i‘m not a virgin like you. it works.

 

[Enfant terrible]

i‘m not a virgin like you

whatever you want to believe

 

[Deleted member 10536]

This will never get you to succeed with your dates. Your dates do not fail because of something little that you say or some topic that is too bland that you should have switched off of, or anything trivial like that.

Think about it from the womans perspective. Women dont care about your life goals, your passions, or anything like that. They want to talk about themselves, something that relates to themselves, or something that they want. This is why they will talk to chad for hours and hours even if what he says isnt interesting, because they want to be with him and validate him. If your dates dont genuinely want to talk to you, if you have to keep pushing conversations because the women dont keep the conversation going, then its over before it even begins. It seems to me like these women are not that interested in you. If you dont have what the woman wants, which is being sexually attractive and/or having resources that she can take and use for herself, then your conversation skills, escalation skills, etc. are useless.

Tbh that's pretty much how I feel too. I just wonder at that point, why did they even choose/accept to go on a date with me then? And why they always say at the end, that they'd enjoyed it and would like to meet again - to just never reply to me anymore. I figure they just try to be nice, but why even go for a date. So sad...
Ye, they seem to have little to no interest in me. They don't even talk about themselves, I have to push for questions about them, and I get half-assed answers. Feels a bit disheartening to even listen, as they're screaming their disinterest to me. I just think, that maybe I do something wrong to garner this kind of response.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Tease/talk some shit

 

[Enfant terrible]

it works.

If they find you attractive yes

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Tease/talk some shit

Teach me, master.
I've been saying this, but the conversation never seem to be in such a mood. It's at times light hearted at best, but mostly semi serious.

 

[Deleted member 7098]

If they find you attractive yes

bro you can‘t swindle yourself into a relationship or sex. if she doesn‘t find you attractive she won‘t even meet up with you

 

[Deleted member 10536]

bro you can‘t swindle yourself into a relationship or sex. if she doesn‘t find you attractive she won‘t even meet up with you

Tbh explain my situation. They agree to a date, to then try to gtfo asap.
I feel like I swindled them into a date at this point. Idk
Idk
Idk
Idk
Fuck this shit.
I must be ugly irl

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Tbh that's pretty much how I feel too. I just wonder at that point, why did they even choose/accept to go on a date with me then? And why they always say at the end, that they'd enjoyed it and would like to meet again - to just never reply to me anymore. I figure they just try to be nice, but why even go for a date. So sad...
Ye, they seem to have little to no interest in me. They don't even talk about themselves, I have to push for questions about them, and I get half-assed answers. Feels a bit disheartening to even listen, as they're screaming their disinterest to me. I just think, that maybe I do something wrong to garner this kind of response.

That is a very common experience, to see a woman and have her seem interested but then she just disappears. As for why they say they had a good time and want to see you again, that just seems to be a thing that almost all women do in almost any situation. They want to come off as nice and amiable, even if they have to completely lie to do so. Like when they meet some woman they dont like and they are friendly with her, but then they talk shit about her behind her back. Women also seem to go on dates with men who they know they are not interested in just for the hell of it. If a woman has no plans, no other dates, she figures she will go out with a guy even if she was not super interested in them. Women just hate being alone and going out alone, even for one night. Of course I cant be sure whats going through every woman’s head, but women are incredibly homogenous and the evidence unfortunately shows that women are opportunistic, deceitful, lying, manipulative, and lead men on in just about every situation

 

[Deleted member 7098]

Tbh explain my situation. They agree to a date, to then try to gtfo asap.
I feel like I swindled them into a date at this point. Idk
Idk
Idk
Idk
Fuck this shit.
I must be ugly irl

do you fraud your pictures? if not you must act awkward irl

 

[Deleted]

Stem is my field.

Its over for stemcels i study Stem ngl

 

[Deleted member 10536]

do you fraud your pictures? if not you must act awkward irl

Depends on what it means to fraud.
Do I add filters/photoshop/morph myself? No, not really. Unless some super minor detail, that won't matter regardless irl/blur some shit. It has no real effect.
Now angle frauding? Ye, I do a bit. Try to pronounce the facial angularity, etc. But it's probably just "soft" frauding. It's still me, who I am. Just in certain lightning/angle.
I don't even think my pictures are even good, they suck, tbh.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

do you fraud your pictures? if not you must act awkward irl

In regards to awkward. Yes, a bit for sure. But I've been to many psychologists/therapists/psychiatrists. I'm considered normal enough for them...
Otherwise, I outlined all the stuff in op, just don't want to repeat over everything again, sorry.

 

[Enfant terrible]

bro you can‘t swindle yourself into a relationship or sex. if she doesn‘t find you attractive she won‘t even meet up with you

nah i know some people in real life who got their girlfriends not because they were attractive, but it was because of their personality/common interests. Women gave them a chance.
So the will try dating someone that they dont find attractive because of bluepill philosophy.
If its possible in real life why not online.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Teach me, master.
I've been saying this, but the conversation never seem to be in such a mood. It's at times light hearted at best, but mostly semi serious.

Just say u got high standards for girls who want to be in ur life, she'll ask about them, so state them arrogantly. Then tease her about meeting the standards, she doesnt have what it takes etc.. Inevitably she will talk some shit back, then stay arrogant and u have a more interesting dialogue

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Just say u got high standards for girls who want to be in ur life, she'll ask about them, so state them arrogantly. Then tease her about meeting the standards, she doesnt have what it takes etc.. Inevitably she will talk some shit back, then stay arrogant and u have a more interesting dialogue

Idk if I can play an asshole game tbh. I'm just too nice. Am romantic/gentle person. I can talk shit back, if somebody is shitting on me, but not always. Sometimes just not in a mood for that.
Sure I have standards, but damn... They're not very high at all. Tbh just seems like a wrong thing to do, too. I wouldn't mind it though, but I think I have to be rather close with a person to shit on each other in a joking manner and to tease each other. Like I'd really like teasing, for sure, but there has to be a "sparkle" way before. Reciprocation process of sorts. You go a step in, she does a step, you proceed with another step, she reciprocates, etc, etc and this turns into flirt/teases, etc. That's how I see. But when I do a step and get nothing in return, I go back. Then do a step in, get coldness. Is there even a point of trying to play this game, when it's one sided?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Idk if I can play an asshole game tbh. I'm just too nice. Am romantic/gentle person. I can talk shit back, if somebody is shitting on me, but not always. Sometimes just not in a mood for that.
Sure I have standards, but damn... They're not very high at all. Tbh just seems like a wrong thing to do, too. I wouldn't mind it though, but I think I have to be rather close with a person to shit on each other in a joking manner and to tease each other. Like I'd really like teasing, for sure, but there has to be a "sparkle" way before. Reciprocation process of sorts. You go a step in, she does a step, you proceed with another step, she reciprocates, etc, etc and this turns into flirt/teases, etc. That's how I see. But when I do a step and get nothing in return, I go back. Then do a step in, get coldness. Is there even a point of trying to play this game, when it's one sided?

Then ur fucked full stop.

Just be urself but in a very arrogant way, thats the onky way for u to create chemistry and have more ingeresting dates that leqd somewhere (whether ltr or sex)

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Then ur fucked full stop.

Just be urself but in a very arrogant way, thats the onky way for u to create chemistry and have more ingeresting dates that leqd somewhere (whether ltr or sex)

I'll try from now on. To be more assertive, touchy, arrogant a little bit more and do things more often my way. Not sure if I'll succeed on all of that. Also, never had a plan for a date, so might try making a plan, as others have given suggestions.
I have 1 more date planned for thursday, not sure if it's going to happen though, as we both don't quite have the time and we sort of agreed to not meet when it's dark, might delay to weekend, idk or it might never happen. This girl in particular seems to be easiest of them all and most receptive too. I think she'll be easy to try to touch at least.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

I'll try from now on. To be more assertive, touchy, arrogant a little bit more and do things more often my way. Not sure if I'll succeed on all of that. Also, never had a plan for a date, so might try making a plan, as others have given suggestions.
I have 1 more date planned for thursday, not sure if it's going to happen though, as we both don't quite have the time and we sort of agreed to not meet when it's dark, might delay to weekend, idk or it might never happen. This girl in particular seems to be easiest of them all and most receptive too. I think she'll be easy to try to touch at least.

Yes do that, and also prat a lot.

Prat definition - fake rejection to increase desire

Whenever you can drop it in, hint at rejecting her

 

[Deleted member 10536]

Yes do that, and also prat a lot.

Prat definition - fake rejection to increase desire

Whenever you can drop it in, hint at rejecting her

I get what you're saying, it's just that I'm way too attracted to the girls to be able to reject them. In a sense this is a mental block. I'll try to keep that in mind. Tbh when I'm with a girl, I tend to forget so much shit, and get into just beeing myself, but instead I should be thinking of all of this shit and stupid games. Annoying and I know, at the time, that I should do x or I'm doing y wrong, but my mind sort of goes blank and defaults to bees.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

I get what you're saying, it's just that I'm way too attracted to the girls to be able to reject them. In a sense this is a mental block. I'll try to keep that in mind. Tbh when I'm with a girl, I tend to forget so much shit, and get into just beeing myself, but instead I should be thinking of all of this shit and stupid games. Annoying and I know, at the time, that I should do x or I'm doing y wrong, but my mind sort of goes blank and defaults to bees.

I think once you try this and see it works, you will start to become genuinely arrogant anyway. Just embrace it when it happens.

Of course if you want to keep a more submissive or equal status ti the girl your with, date a feminist.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

I think once you try this and see it works, you will start to become genuinely arrogant anyway. Just embrace it when it happens.

Of course if you want to keep a more submissive or equal status ti the girl your with, date a feminist.

I don't have options though, to choose who I date. I've had 2 dates in my life and tinder here is depression inducing tbh. I'm amazed I even got these 2 dates now.
Btw I totally get what you mean. When I get experience in a field and become confident in my skills, the arrogance shoots through the roof, because I'm 99% sure I always make the right move and outplay everyone. Experienced this in competitive games at least. Been at the top of 99.9% in some games.

 

[HellenicChad]

The problem isn't the first date, it's all the others. I mean in like 3-4 hours you can talk about everything: work, studies, family, friends, hobbies, music, shows, movies, books, trips, cool places, activities, funny stories. So what exactly do you talk about on the following dates? What do normies even do and talk about after weeks/months, hell YEARS of being in a relationship?

 

[TITUS]

You should learn from @Amnesia , he has a script, he tells them the same stuff all the time, knows what ticks the average whore and you will get better the more you do it.
If you are not naturally whitty and charismatic the more you need the script, well learned and rehearsed.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

The problem isn't the first date, it's all the others. I mean in like 3-4 hours you can talk about everything: work, studies, family, friends, hobbies, music, shows, movies, books, trips, cool places, activities, funny stories. So what exactly do you talk about on the following dates? What do normies even do and talk about after weeks/months, hell YEARS of being in a relationship?

True too, idk really. But it never gets to the second date, so still, it's important.
That is all I try to talk about on a first date, or whatever I manage in the short period of 1-2 hours.
I think the girl should open up on the following dates and starts talking about important/close things to her, that she doesn't talk to generally to random people and so do you, also big part of interaction changes to the things you do together/being together and being attracted to each other. Like making out, touching, hugging, etc.
What do I fucking know though.

 

[Deleted member 10536]

You should learn from @Amnesia , he has a script, he tells them the same stuff all the time, knows what ticks the average whore and you will get better the more you do it.
If you are not naturally whitty and charismatic the more you need the script, well learned and rehearsed.

I do feel like repeating when talking with girls, as is. There's just that many different things you can talk about with a new person, yes. But having an actual script should be better, I agree.
And again, I agree in general to your post. But what can I do, if I only had 2 dates ever in my life. Just need more and that in itself is a huge problem - to get more of them.
Tbh I feel I can be witty/charismatic, but it's important for the other side to reciprocate in the interaction, not even a perfect social butterfly is going to keep up on being perfect, if the other side just wants to gtfo and puts in the bare minimum in the interaction. With some people it gets really fun to talk about things, as you go forth and back with each other and it's like a snowball effect. Either text or irl. Some other people - there's nothing happening, no sparkle, bleak. I find it's important for me that the other person wants to interact with me and that it doesn't feel like a drag to them.

 

[RAITEIII]

How do you interact with a girl on a first date?
Do you try to get to flirting asap/make physical contact?
Or are you trying to go for an conversation? But what about? What do you talk with a girl on a first date? How does it go for you?
My dates so far have been quite boring, tbh. Or rather non-exciting. I try to make some small talk, if there's no good kick off from the very beginning. Eventually it eases up a little, but the conversations are rather mundane. Like what do you do in life, work/school/hobbies/things you did/places you went. Just general interests of each other and what we like to do in our past time. Things we read or watch, etc.
In a way, it maybe reminds me a little bit of an work interview, but less serious - more casual.
I try to joke a little bit, but I'm not a humorist.
Try to keep the mood positive/don't go into negativity, talk about bad things, or shitty topics such as politics, in general try to stay positive and upbeat.. I try to be friendly and understanding, if our opinion differ on some irrelevant thing, try to find a compromise or just accept it and disagree with it(it's irrelevant, so).
Is my approach terrible?
A sort of follow up to the last of my few threads, feel like they've all been related.
Am I mentally retarded to talk about such things? Should I try to force more sexuality into conversation/flirting?(tbh I can do it on text, but irl the mood never seems to be fit for it) as if the girl has agreed to go on a date with you, she must find you at least a little bit sexually attractive?
Just really looking for ideas/thoughts of other people. On how they approach their first dates with a girl. Or just how over is it for me.

I dont know unironically they are the ones making the move thx to the fact that I'm younger than them