First Steroid Cycle

[dogeatsgrass]

Would you guys say going on blast and cruise trt is worth the risks?
Anybody here that has test experience? Was the whole stress worth it?
Lets say i do a test cycle, and fuck a couple of hot bitches, but after ending the cycle i have mental and hormonal problems.
Was it still worth it?
Its hard to make a decision.

I did Test E only cycle. It helped me with motivation and losing fat than anything. The final result (after PCT) was similar to natty but it was quicker and much less effort.

 

[Elias]

I wanna do it but dont wanna lose collagen tbh

 

[jefferson]

Yes

I got all my stuff from purplepandalabs.

 

[Elias]

I got all my stuff from purplepandalabs.

Did it work?
Do you think i could 10lb in 6 months?

 

[jefferson]

Did it work?
Do you think i could 10lb in 6 months?

Yes. 10 loss or gain is 6 months is easy

 

[Posmo]

Is Ethionate superior or can I use cypio/propio? Good guide

 

[MentalistKebab]

@jefferson can you share your body pics before cycle and after cycle and after you stop using it (shrinked) ?

I wanna see what can we gain and lost after these cycles

 

[SteveRogers]

How much muscle can we hold on to from this? I gained like 10kg (at least 2kg water) from LGD after 8 weeks, I had zero diet plan, just ate as much as I could (maybe 4k calories MAX) on most days, and on some days ate natural amount (1k calories, give or take 200, I know, I am never hungry). Also, this was after gaining 22kg natty muscle over 2.5 years (grew 10cm, but also lost a heap of fat). I'm thinking of maybe stacking YK-11 and RAD-140 low doses taking small amounts of clomid from the second last week till 6 weeks post cycle.
This sounds better, but very hard to access as I know zero steroid users and don't know how to get a single one of the things mentioned without prescription or even a website.

 

[Incoming]

How much muscle can we hold on to from this? I gained like 10kg (at least 2kg water) from LGD after 8 weeks, I had zero diet plan, just ate as much as I could (maybe 4k calories MAX) on most days, and on some days ate natural amount (1k calories, give or take 200, I know, I am never hungry). Also, this was after gaining 22kg natty muscle over 2.5 years (grew 10cm, but also lost a heap of fat). I'm thinking of maybe stacking YK-11 and RAD-140 low doses taking small amounts of clomid from the second last week till 6 weeks post cycle.
This sounds better, but very hard to access as I know zero steroid users and don't know how to get a single one of the things mentioned without prescription or even a website.

Rad 140 on it's own is very strong. Stack it w/ mk677 and you'll make good gains

 

[SteveRogers]

Rad 140 on it's own is very strong. Stack it w/ mk677 and you'll make good gains

What kind of PCT would you recommmend?

 

[Incoming]

What kind of PCT would you recommmend?

I hear that you don't need pct unless you do a high dosage. If I were to do a pct i'd probably just use hgc. I haven't done enough research into pct to give an honest answer tho

 

[ThreadMatters]

Sex

 

[TitusA]

Is Ethionate superior or can I use cypio/propio? Good guide

Ethionate and cypionate are one and the same cyp prob has a half life of 1 day longer that's it but the only reason they exist with different names is because they where originally manufactured in different countries. Propionate isn't ideal because you're going to have to inject more frequently the half life is allot shorter. Better to just start with TE or TC.

 

[joseph]

If you get on gear, make it a lifelong commitment. No reason to come off unless you want to procreate.

I hopped on 8 years ago at the age of 28. As a giga gangly ectomorph, my only regret is not starting at the age of 18. But I didn't have the balls or the access or the discipline to steroidmaxx and gymmaxx in my youth.

The roids help with your frame? Adding inches to your bideltoid width?

 

[TitusA]

The roids help with your frame? Adding inches to your bideltoid width?

They wont make you're bones grow beyond what they would naturally but they help with bideltoid width massively because so many androgen receptors are located in the upper back/shoulders/traps region(reason big capped delts is one of the signs of steroid use). Because of that they can improve shoulder width massively. Higher androgen steroids do this more so tren, anadrol etc although you still get this effect from just testosterone.

 

[Deleted member 5912]

steroids=fuck up your hair and kidney

 

[Deleted member 2621]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

great thread. Why novaldex and not clomid?

 

[Deleted member 8832]

This is actually a very good thread. I'll be taking this shit if I ever plan on competing(in powerlifting)

 

[Deleted member 3990]

They wont make you're bones grow beyond what they would naturally but they help with bideltoid width massively because so many androgen receptors are located in the upper back/shoulders/traps region(reason big capped delts is one of the signs of steroid use). Because of that they can improve shoulder width massively. Higher androgen steroids do this more so tren, anadrol etc although you still get this effect from just testosterone.

subq for Test E ?

I dont like intram

 

[Lev Peshkov]

Cope I'm doing tren at 16 at 150mg weekly

 

[AlwaysHaveQuestions]

It's your looksmax cake day OP!

 

[Cope]

How much muscle can we hold on to from this? I gained like 10kg (at least 2kg water) from LGD after 8 weeks, I had zero diet plan, just ate as much as I could (maybe 4k calories MAX) on most days, and on some days ate natural amount (1k calories, give or take 200, I know, I am never hungry). Also, this was after gaining 22kg natty muscle over 2.5 years (grew 10cm, but also lost a heap of fat). I'm thinking of maybe stacking YK-11 and RAD-140 low doses taking small amounts of clomid from the second last week till 6 weeks post cycle.
This sounds better, but very hard to access as I know zero steroid users and don't know how to get a single one of the things mentioned without prescription or even a website.

How much LGD were you doing? Would you recommend doing a 15mg LGD cycle or would there be no point?

 

[SteveRogers]

How much LGD were you doing? Would you recommend doing a 15mg LGD cycle or would there be no point?

10mg, I didn't mention that it was coupled with 10mg of osta and 5mg of MK677
I don't recommend LGD, as the water is too much, personally, I'm gonna hit a RAD + osta (cutting/recomp) cycle starting 1st of oct

 

[ropeorcope]

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Are you sure you mean 0.25mg and not 25mg?

 

[Deleted member 5818]

Are you sure you mean 0.25mg and not 25mg?

He’s talking about arimdex not aromasin

 

[Deleted member 1632]

What will happen if we take 250 mg all our life.
Can we still have a child with this testosterone ?

 

[WeWillAllAscend]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.
Great thread. If I wanted to dht max which estrogen inhibitor should I take?

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

 

[Luke LLL]

What will happen if we take 250 mg all our life.
Can we still have a child with this testosterone ?

You need to be 100% natty and as healthy as possible to have kids. I recommend having children before getting a on trt like that. But you can easily come off and get your natty levels back and have kids.

 

[Donc0ck]

Cope I'm doing tren at 16 at 150mg weekly

what did you experience with that dose?

 

[Lev Peshkov]

what did you experience with that dose?

I have had some thoughts and will not be doing tren

I will cruise testosterone enth for about 8 months along side proviron

Cycking halotestin as many times possible

Cycling anadrol also

And cycling dmt on this cycle

It should last about 12 months

 

[Deleted member 1632]

You need to be 100% natty and as healthy as possible to have kids. I recommend having children before getting a on trt like that. But you can easily come off and get your natty levels back and have kids.

but can't you have kids if you are on TRT all your life ?

Like now imagine i am on trt, and i want to have kids, is it not possible ?
Sperm is not on the semen ?

 

[Luke LLL]

but can't you have kids if you are on TRT all your life ?

Like now imagine i am on trt, and i want to have kids, is it not possible ?
Sperm is not on the semen ?

No it is possible, you just need to get off of it for a few months and get your natty levels and health maxxed out, then when you conceive you can go back on.

 

[Deleted member 1632]

No it is possible, you just need to get off of it for a few months and get your natty levels and health maxxed out, then when you conceive you can go back on.

Bro you don't get it. When you are in TRT you testicles doesn't produce sperm ? ( even if TRT replace your natural one )

 

[Luke LLL]

Bro you don't get it. When you are in TRT you sperm doesn't produce sperm ? ( even if TRT replace your natural one )

Yes, you are infertile

 

[Donc0ck]

I have had some thoughts and will not be doing tren

I will cruise testosterone enth for about 8 months along side proviron

Cycking halotestin as many times possible

Cycling anadrol also

And cycling dmt on this cycle

It should last about 12 months

doesnt anadrol make you very bloated and i think halo is the most livertoxic steroid there is and is only good for strength gains?

 

[Lev Peshkov]

doesnt anadrol make you very bloated and i think halo is the most livertoxic steroid there is and is only good for strength gains?

Androgenic for puberty max

 

[MentalistKebab]

but can't you have kids if you are on TRT all your life ?

Like now imagine i am on trt, and i want to have kids, is it not possible ?
Sperm is not on the semen ?

You probably have to come out, and have a strong PCT with HCG and Clomid.

But some rare guys still manage to impregnate girls after years of TRT. Balls

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

Will my face be more dimorphic after injecting test ?

 

[Britmaxxer]

doubt anyone on this forum has the balls to roid tbh

I roid

 

[Deleted member 8244]

can't believe I read all this.

good thread, might try it

 

[Deleted member 15305]

@badg96

 

[Deleted member 17244]

do u need exe/ari on T solo 250mg/week?

 

[TITUS]

do u need exe/ari on T solo 250mg/week?

You can only know with bloodwork, if you are poor and stupid and can't do blood test before, mid cycle and post cycle then you risk going bald, getting tits, and losing big time.

 

[TeenAscender]

if u want to run anavar, do u run it for 15 weeks or what

 

[Deleted member 17244]

You can only know with bloodwork, if you are poor and stupid and can't do blood test before, mid cycle and post cycle then you risk going bald, getting tits, and losing big time.

i gear lifetime

 

[Debetro]

 

[Debetro]

 

[the_nextDavidLaid]

doubt anyone on this forum has the balls to roid tbh

If anyone has them they lost them right after

 

[unvanish]

thanks, now gonna take steroids at 15
much love

 

[Flowix]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

kick starting is stupid and outdated you should instead use the oral later on in the cycle to break plateaus