First Steroid Cycle

[Edopsl]

wsg nigga

mast is a looksmin

Why tho

 

[SubhumanYuki]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

Great thread im thinking of running test w hgh but i thought starting w lower dosages test then getting to 500 will be better or not?

 

[SMVboogie]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

Taking roids fucks ur natural testosterone cycles and production, it's better if you stay off peds and use normal natural test boosters instead. There's no point blasting if ur not bodybuilding

 

[ssxjdgh]

mast is a looksmin

How come?

 

[harmonytingfam]

Why tho

How come?

dht is not important after the ages around 16-18, all it will give you is hairloss, acne, ect.. it is just shit.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

"your first cycle should be 500mg test" dawg ur so clueless and just setting people up for failure

1. u start at a trt dose to gauge your aromatization
2. u dont pct after every testosterone cycle u take it for life
3. when u do up your test dose AI's are shit for your health instead using eq will bring more gains and lower estrogen more safely/healthier

ur a retard trying to give advice

 

[ssxjdgh]

dht is not important after the ages around 16-18, all it will give you is hairloss, acne, ect.. it is just shit.

Right but doesn't it make you lean and dry af

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Stfu

 

[xevuxia]

Stfu

 

[harmonytingfam]

"your first cycle should be 500mg test" dawg ur so clueless and just setting people up for failure

1. u start at a trt dose to gauge your aromatization
2. u dont pct after every testosterone cycle u take it for life
3. when u do up your test dose AI's are shit for your health instead using eq will bring more gains and lower estrogen more safely/healthier

ur a retard trying to give advice

you do realise this thread was made back in 2019.

there are far better studies/info out there NOW than back 6 years ago.

stop calling him a retard and acting all tough

Right but doesn't it make you lean and dry af

yeah it makes you dry... so?

you might be on the wrong forum buddy this isn't a bodybuilding site.

 

[ssxjdgh]

you do realise this thread was made back in 2019.

there are far better studies/info out there NOW than back 6 years ago.

stop calling him a retard and acting all tough

yeah it makes you dry... so?

you might be on the wrong forum buddy this isn't a bodybuilding site.

Being lean is basic looksmaxxing

 

[harmonytingfam]

Being lean is basic looksmaxxing

it wont "make you lean" there are way better ways than using anything dht related

 

[ssxjdgh]

it wont "make you lean" there are way better ways than using anything dht related

Peptides?

 

[harmonytingfam]

Peptides?

glp1s

 

[frameiseverything]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

high iq

 

[Deleted member 269252]

you do realise this thread was made back in 2019.

there are far better studies/info out there NOW than back 6 years ago.

stop calling him a retard and acting all tough

yeah it makes you dry... so?

you might be on the wrong forum buddy this isn't a bodybuilding site.

no I did not realize this was made in 2019 all I saw was that it's active and how am I acting tough for calling out horrible advice

 

[ssxjdgh]

no I did not realize this was made in 2019 all I saw was that it's active and how am I acting tough for calling out horrible advice

What's your recommended ideal first cycle then

 

[iambald22]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

still here after 6 years

 

[Edopsl]

dht is not important after the ages around 16-18, all it will give you is hairloss, acne, ect.. it is just shit.

wont it help increasing facial bones ?

 

[ssxjdgh]

wont it help increasing facial bones ?

No it's a trash hormone post puberty

 

[harmonytingfam]

wont it help increasing facial bones ?

fuck me no nothing will

 

[amonling1]

can i just run test?

 

[AryanSchizo]

no thank you , steroids are bad, very bad . bad bad bad no thank you i don’t want cancer and organ failure no thank you.

 

[NoaA99]

"your first cycle should be 500mg test" dawg ur so clueless and just setting people up for failure

1. u start at a trt dose to gauge your aromatization
2. u dont pct after every testosterone cycle u take it for life
3. when u do up your test dose AI's are shit for your health instead using eq will bring more gains and lower estrogen more safely/healthier

ur a retard trying to give advice

You shouldn’t be cycling like that anyway. Using very high doses of roids is what causes the early wear to your organs and also forces you to stop early because of the acute and fast damage it creates, unless you just don’t care about your health.
It also massively increases oxidative stress for an amount of additional gains that aren’t worth it in comparison.

So for most people it makes more sense to go on a moderate dose for a relatively prolonged time-span, while keeping your visible health-marker in a relatively normal range, and then afterward giving your body time to actually recover by going down to a normal TRT dose for like 2-3 months

 

[NoaA99]

"your first cycle should be 500mg test" dawg ur so clueless and just setting people up for failure

1. u start at a trt dose to gauge your aromatization
2. u dont pct after every testosterone cycle u take it for life
3. when u do up your test dose AI's are shit for your health instead using eq will bring more gains and lower estrogen more safely/healthier

ur a retard trying to give advice

You shouldn’t be cycling like that anyway. Using very high doses of roids is what causes the early wear to your organs and also forces you to stop early because of the acute and fast damage it creates, unless you just don’t care about your health.
It also massively increases oxidative stress for an amount of additional gains that aren’t worth it in comparison.

So for most people it makes more sense to go on a moderate dose for a relatively prolonged time-span, while keeping your visible health-marker in a relatively normal range, and then afterward giving your body time to actually recover by going down to a normal TRT dose for like 2-3 months

 

[adam7898]

Thanks for the useful thread.

dnr

 

[gnoyim]

Do you keep a decent amount of the gains from roiding after you have stopped?

 

[Deleted member 269252]

What's your recommended ideal first cycle then

Your first time on testosterone should not be much of a "cycle" as remember we want to "blast" and cruise NOT pct, but trt dose 100-200mg/week, (if your high bf start on lower side or don't start until your lean since you'll have increased estrogen) get bloodwork 8-10 weeks in and depending on your estrogen you can up the dose for the remainder 10-16 weeks (for a total of 20-24 weeks). After 20-24 weeks you will cruise with a maximum of 200mg/week even if you can handle heavier doses (aromatization wise) as sustaining endogenous levels of testosterone for a prolonged period of time will have negatives on your health.

Do your own research, I have not explained everything down to a tee here.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Do you keep a decent amount of the gains from roiding after you have stopped?

You don't stop. Testosterone is a life-long commitment.

 

[Feuerwehr]

You shouldn’t be cycling like that anyway. Using very high doses of roids is what causes the early wear to your organs and also forces you to stop early because of the acute and fast damage it creates, unless you just don’t care about your health.
It also massively increases oxidative stress for an amount of additional gains that aren’t worth it in comparison.

So for most people it makes more sense to go on a moderate dose for a relatively prolonged time-span, while keeping your visible health-marker in a relatively normal range, and then afterward giving your body time to actually recover by going down to a normal TRT dose for like 2-3 months

What would you recommend?
Im trying to do what it takes

 

[Salvas5K]

never try much first try! you'll break the testosterone wall before you even hit! try always backstand manover

 

[shneckmax]

never try much first try! you'll break the testosterone wall before you even hit! try always backstand manover
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I had a stroke trying to read this

 

[Salvas5K]

 

[shneckmax]

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[Salvas5K]

rgse

 

[stevielake]

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retard

 

[copecell67]

hmm

 

[ssxjdgh]

You don't stop. Testosterone is a life-long commitment.

Thats not exactly true you can come off

 

[theprox]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

great effort.
+ rep and bump

edit / i did not see this shit is from 2019 fuck me in the ass.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Thats not exactly true you can come off

Of course... but you shouldn't.

 

[Subminix]

where do i get testosterone enanthat?

 

[ssxjdgh]

Of course... but you shouldn't.

Why?

 

[stevielake]

where do i get testosterone enanthat?

retard

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Why?

Based off your posts you seem like a little child and a retard at that. This is steroids 101, if your not making a counter-argument here go figure it out yourself and no this is not a reliable place to learn. Using your resources properly is important, use this for purely anecdotals and facial help, not advice.

 

[NoaA99]

What would you recommend?
Im trying to do what it takes

Just use a more moderate (200-300mg/week) dose for a prolonged time, or rather as long as your body allows for it (with regular check-ups/ bloodwork). Approximately, like around 8-12 months.

After that, you’d switch to a regular TRT level and beforehand, you go natural for a while (Your T will stay elevated for some time after your last injection), and you give your body time to repair, ideally about 2-3 months.
Your body has a limit to how much muscle it can build within a certain period of time, upping the dosage to a certain point will give you heavy sides, but disproportional extra-gains.

You should also have a perfect diet and add a few supplements, since your micronutrient demands will change a bit, and you need to control the increased number of reactive oxygen species/ natural antioxidant systems losing efficiency.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Just use a more moderate (200-300mg/week) dose for a prolonged time, or rather as long as your body allows for it (with regular check-ups/ bloodwork). Approximately, like around 8-12 months.

After that, you’d switch to a regular TRT level and beforehand, you go natural for a while (Your T will stay elevated for some time after your last injection), and you give your body time to repair, ideally about 2-3 months.
Your body has a limit to how much muscle it can build within a certain period of time, upping the dosage to a certain point will give you heavy sides, but disproportional extra-gains.

You should also have a perfect diet and add a few supplements, since your micronutrient demands will change a bit, and you need to control the increased number of reactive oxygen species/ natural antioxidant systems losing efficiency.

It's debatable and varies but sitting above 200mg/week for a prolonged period will likely NOT be more beneficial than a "blast" and cruise, health and gains wise.
Going natural for 2-3 months before hopping on trt doses? Wtf are we saying?

 

[NoaA99]

Sitting 200-300mg/week for a prolonged period will likely NOT be more beneficial than a "blast" and cruise, health and gains wise.
Going natural for 2-3 months before hopping back on? Wtf are we saying?

 

[NoaA99]

It's debatable and varies but sitting above 200mg/week for a prolonged period will likely NOT be more beneficial than a "blast" and cruise, health and gains wise.
Going natural for 2-3 months before hopping on trt doses? Wtf are we saying?

First, if you blast for like 16 weeks, as I explained, you won’t build loads of muscle anyway, there’s a limit in a certain time-frame. Increasing the testosterone dose does not result in a directly proportional increase in muscle mass.
If you read otherwise, fine, but show me the evidence for that, I’m open to changing my stance.

Second, explain to me why a much more aggressive dose or stack wouldn’t accumulate more damage relatively? Jfl, there’s a reason those are short-lived. Androgens bind to receptors everywhere in the body, not just in muscle cells, so obviously the more you use, the greater the chance they also affect organs and create more damage. The higher the dose, and the more you take in a short period of time, the faster muscle receptors become saturated.
AR expression in muscle tissue increases with androgen exposure, but it doesn’t increase proportionally to the rise in circulating androgens.

He obviously needs to try dosages and track whether his bloodwork gets worse quickly, and also how he aromatizes. This was just an approximate, at which he will still feel fine and gain a lot.
I never said this is healthy it obviously isn’t, but this approach is more secure, and reduces the rate of accumulated damage. There are also issues with insulin sensitivity, up to a certain point, steroids will enhance it, but at extreme doses, the opposite happens.
Oxidative stress is obviously strongly associated with several adverse health outcomes.

You didn’t understand, I never recommended to hop off.
If you go on physiological dose (TRT) for a while, and consequently reduce the anabolic demand, your body has more resources/energy to reverse damage instead of using all its energy for muscle building or general anabolic processes.
This obviously also depends on how much damage has already accumulated.

 

[MulletM1chas]

That will be useful thx bro

 

[Iamsai]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

@Rayryan