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FIXING MY SUBHUMAN EYE AREA
Introduction:
My goal from writing this is to receive honest feedback for my looksmaxing transformation process, as well as to inspire others to make radical changes to improve their own lives.
(TO CLARIFY MY EYE AREA ISN'T ACTUALLY SUBHUMAN, I'D SAY RELATIVE TO THE EYE AREA CHART I PROVIDED BELOW IDE PLACE IT ROUGHLY AT 3.75, ASSUMING SUB 3 IS SUBHUMAN)
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MY EYE AREA
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Now, many of you may ask what this photo is and why only one eye in an even-lit, 6ft+ zoomed-in screenshot is being provided. The reason I found it appropriate to only provide 1 eye as opposed to my eye relative to my face is that most of the issues occurring in my eye area aren't related to its positioning in the face, but rather features related to it. This is not just a theory, as I have done precise measurements (esr, ipd, fwhr, etc...) to estimate this on an array of multiple even lighting, well-centered 6ft away photos.
Now with all that out of the way, enjoy some music, and let's explore some options for correcting my eye area...
Softmaxxes
Now, you may or may not have noticed non-surgically, there's not much to correct in my eye area, as my eyebrows are naturally dark, thick, straight, and positively tilted. The only considerable adjustment we could reach to achieve is more vertical distance, as well as less sparsity within the tail and peak of my eyebrow.
However, not all hope is lost, as my eyelashes, although longer than the average normie (which for some reason isn't highlighted in the photo), are still not as ideal as I we could reach with softmaxing. What methodology could we apply to tackle these issues?
Dermastamp
A 0.5mm dermastamp used twice a week on the tail of my eyebrow can be used to slightly lengthen eyebrow distance as well as correct some sparcity.
Oral Minoxidil
Minox is generally regarded as one of, if not the most potent, new hair growth solutions. Blowing serums like ordinary lash and brow, bimatoprost, and even the topical minoxidil counterpart out of the water. There are tons of threads and articles discussing the optimal dosing and the science behind oral minox, but I'm personally opting for 2.5mg, as to avoid unwanted hair growth and other side effects.
Lash Curler
A hand-operated cosmetic tool designed to curl, lift, and volumize lashes. When basic cleaning is used, and applainces is not exagerated it can be used as a subtle enhancement that won't result in lash damage. I opted for this as opposed to continuous lash lifts as not only is it cheap and can be applied on my own time, in my own way, but it also gives a less exaggerated approach were looking for.
For those who don't find the importance within this, or believe this will result in an overly feminized appearance, I want to reference an amazing example of the importance behind this with Zayn Malik, someone who, although he has an attractive eye area for other reasons. Crushes in the eye area, hair department, and should be idolized for what we're trying to achieve.
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Upper Eyelid Fat Grafting
Now, of course, we could explore softmaxing options that barely achieve perceptual changes within our face, and carry a burden of doubt behind their effectiveness. However, if we want optimal results, it will require surgical intervention. One that I find great value in is UEFG. So let's observe the results, pricing, and complication rate to get a gauge on the ROI behind this procedure.
Results:
The Image below contains a morph of Chico Lachowski, which I used to highlight the importance of this feature. Aside from the eyebrow, this feature is the greatest component that reduces the attractiveness of his eyes. The rest are photos showcasing the results from this procedure.
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As someone who lacks upper eyelid fat, evident from the darkening of my under eyelid from lower light, and the eyelid creasing above my eye. UEFG has the potential for a dramatic improvement within the eye area.
Pricing:
Depending on where you go, the pricing varies vastly. Here's a list of the most popular countries to get this procedure and their pricing:
South Korea
600-4000$ USD
Thailand
1654-5280$ USD
Turkey
2,000-4,500$ USD
U.S.
6,000-10,000$ USD
And here are the countries ranked based on customer satisfaction:South Korea
, the U.S.
, Thailand
, and Turkey
Despite some of the higher listings, generally speaking, relative to other surgeries. This procedure is relatively cheap for its effect.
Complication Rate:
UEFG is generally considered a low-risk; however, complications do occur however these complications are usually minor. Here's a table breaking the risk down.
Complication
Swelling / bruising Asymmetry Fat resorption Fat cysts Infection Necrosis Vision damage Rate
5–10% 3–6% 10–30% ~6.7% <1% <1% Extremely rare Severity
Minor–moderate Expected effect Moderate Rare Rare Severe but rare
Lower Eyelid Retraction Repair
If you reference the picture I provided, you'll notice I have some sclaral show on the lower eyelid region to correct this and give my eyes a more squinted, striking appearance. The best route would be LERR.
Results:
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Pricing:
South Korea
2,000-4,000$
Turkey
1,700-3,500$
U.S.
6,000-15,000$
Thailand
2,000-5,000$
Complication Rate:
Generally, a safer procedure, even safer than UEFG.
Complication
Undercorrection (needs revision)
Overcorrection
Eyelid asymmetry
Graft-related complications
Infection
Persistent swelling
Vision-threatening complicationsRisk
8%
3%
4%
2%
3%
<1%
LeFort 1
My first journey into the surgical world is likely gonna be some form of a Trimax procedure with jaw angle implants, potentially cheekbone implants, but more importantly, infraorbital rim implants. I'll be discussing the 2 that affect my eye area, isolated as to keep consistency within this thread. One of my most noticeable flaws from both the front and the side is a recessed maxilla. Although this memed alot across the looksmax sphere, this results in many flaws, such as nasolabial folds, negative orbital vector, and under eye hollowness, all of which apply to me.
Results:
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I've taken my measurements in my specific case to replicate ideal facial development. I'd estimate I require a 5-7mm expansion. Some claim that the reverse pull headgear, which has gained recent popularity as a solution for maxillary recession, but there is currently no effective research to suggest that it would work for anyone other than adults.
Pricing:
U.S.
15,000-50,000$
Turkey
6,000-8,000$
South Korea
5,000-18,000$
Mexico
7,000-12,000$
Please note that the pricing listed for Lefort 1 is for isolation. The surgery I plan to get is in conjunction with BSSO, Genioplasty, and Implants. I am opting for a LeFort 1 procedure, despite its greater impact on the eye area, as it has a safer risk profile and a few other advantages that I believe make it superior to a LeFort 2 procedure in my case.
Complication Rate:
Complication
Temporary numbness (upper lip, cheeks)
Relapse (bone shifting slightly)
Sinus complications
Permanent numbness
Infection
Significant bleeding
Tooth root injury
Non-union (bone doesn’t heal properly)
Vision changes
Blindness
DeathRisk
20–50%
5–15%
5–10%
1–10%
2–10%
1–5%
1–5%
1–3%
<1%
~0.001–0.01%
~0.0002–0.002%
Infraorbital Rim Implants
In conjunction with Lower Eyelid Retraction Repair, these can be used to address the structural deficiency of the eyelid in relation to the eye aspect ratio.
Results:
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Pricing:
U.S.
9,500$+
Turkey
2000-5000$
South Korea
3,000-8,000$
Thailand
2,000-7,500
Complication Rate:
Complication
Temporary numbness (infraorbital nerve)
Implant malposition/asymmetry
Infection
Palpable or visible implant edges
Chronic swelling
Implant shifting / movement
Permanent numbness
Lower eyelid malposition (retraction)
Implant removal required
Hematoma (blood collection)
Vision changes
BlindnessRisk
10–25%
5–15%
3–10%
3–10%
2–8%
2–5%
1–5%
1–5%
1–5%
1–3%
<1%
~0.001–0.01%
Canthopexy
Despite the photo being taken from a downward angle, it's still clear from the photo that I have a 3-5 degree positive tilt. However, due to my ethnic background, a subtle lift in my case to bring it up to a 5-8 degree tilt.
Results:
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Pricing:
U.S.
4,000-7,000$
Turkey
1,500-4,500$
South Korea
1,000-2,500$
Thailand
2,300-3,700$
Complication Rate:
Complication
Temporary swelling and bruising
Temporary eyelid tightness
Asymmetry
Undercorrection (insufficient lift)
Overcorrection (eye too tight / pulled)
Chronic irritation/discomfort
Visible suture or scar
Lower eyelid malposition (retraction)
Permanent asymmetry
Infection
Ectropion (eyelid pulling away from eye)
Vision changes
BlindnessRisk
30–60%
15–35%
5–15%
5–15%
3–10%
2–8%
2–7%
1–5%
1–5%
1–4%
1–3%
<1%
~0.001–0.01%
Surgical Roadmap
It is important to distinguish myself from many on the forum not willing to take extreme measures to improve my life via surgery. So to get my point across, I decided to dedicate a section to letting you in on my roadmap. Generally, in the cosmetic world, the rule tends to follow that if multiple surgeries are occurring within the same location, bone support comes first, then structural support, then the mechanical components, and then refinement. How this would look in my case would be as follows
LeFort I
- Changes midface projection and under-eye support
- Must be done first because it alters the entire midface structure
Infraorbital Rim Implants (Likely in conjunction with LeFort)
- Adds projection/support to the under-eye area
- Can sometimes be done at the same time as LeFort
- Structural augmentation comes before eyelid fine-tuning
Lower Eyelid Retraction Repair (if present)
- Corrects scleral show or lid pulling
- Should be done after skeletal support is finalized
- Often combined with canthopexy if needed
- Adjusts lateral eye shape/tension
- Usually done with lower lid correction
- More refined positioning step
Upper Eyelid Fat Grafting (last)
With the realistic pricing of these combined surgeries equates to about 35k average in their respective countries. The total wait time for proper recovery is 12-18 months. Currently, due to my age and life situation, I have about 5k saved up dedicated solely to my surgical endeavors (to clarify, this by no means is a large portion of my money in allocation). However, as I advance in my career and business pursuits, I wish to allocate a much larger sum toward this. For now, I'll keep saving money and experimenting with the softmaxxes I previously mentioned.
- Purely soft tissue volume refinement
- Should be done after the structural and lid position are stable
- Refinement stage
Sources
Links:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30528018/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK564372/
Electrolyte layering at the calcite(104)-water interface indicated by Rb(+)- and Se(VI) K-edge resonant interface diffraction - PubMed
Calcite-water interface reactions are of major importance in various environmental settings as well as in industrial applications. Here we present resonant interface diffraction results on the calcite(104)-aqueous solution interface, measured in solutions containing either 10 mmol L(-1) RbCl or...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19050544/Charles N.S. Soparkar, M.D., Ph.D., F.A.C.S - PMC
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Revision Upper Blepharoplasty - PMC
The ideal shape and height of the double eyelid varies widely depending on the patient and the culture. Patients may be dissatisfied after a double eyelid operation for the following reasons: scar, low versus high fold, shallow versus deep fold, ...
People:
Dr. Senthil Supra, Aesthics Waiting, JawHacks, and Doctor Youn
Although I manually typed everything, I would occasionally refer to chatgpt to some pointers about the formatting, as well as other formatting guides on this forum, and Grammarly was occasionally used to repair grammatical issues unless I felt it was better for whatever point I was trying to get across.
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