Fixing under eye

[JohnnyGGs]

Can you please let me know how to fix my under eye area which seems hallow and I have eyebags under certain lighting

 

[greycel]

Can you please let me know how to fix my under eye area which seems hallow and I have eyebags under certain lighting

This is slightly irrelevant to what you asked but can you answer some questions for me?

1. What sorts of foods did you eat growing up (from a baby into your childhood)?
2. How long were you breastfed for?
3. Did you breathe through your nose naturally from birth?
4. Did you mew naturally from birth?
5. How often did you eat junk food?
6. Did you drink milk often?
7. What sports did you do growing up, and how often would you train?

I'd really be grateful if you could answer these.

Now for your question, it looks like you'd benefit from a fat graft to the undereye region, as it seems to be a soft tissue issue
Check this thread out:

READ THIS if you’re considering fat grafting

Just got off a video call with a well renowned clinic in Bangkok, it’s close to where I got my HT done, and I love the area, so I thought fuck it, let’s fix my failos once and for all. I legit gave him 200+ questions in like 20 mins, I should have screen recorded it tbh. Anyway, if you’re...

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[JohnnyGGs]

This is slightly irrelevant to what you asked but can you answer some questions for me?

1. What sorts of foods did you eat growing up (from a baby into your childhood)?
2. How long were you breastfed for?
3. Did you breathe through your nose naturally from birth?
4. Did you mew naturally from birth?
5. How often did you eat junk food?
6. Did you drink milk often?
7. What sports did you do growing up, and how often would you train?

I'd really be grateful if you could answer these.

Now for your question, it looks like you'd benefit from a fat graft to the undereye region, as it seems to be a soft tissue issue
Check this thread out:

READ THIS if you’re considering fat grafting

Just got off a video call with a well renowned clinic in Bangkok, it’s close to where I got my HT done, and I love the area, so I thought fuck it, let’s fix my failos once and for all. I legit gave him 200+ questions in like 20 mins, I should have screen recorded it tbh. Anyway, if you’re...

looksmax.org

I’d love to answer your question but may I ask why before I do so?

 

[edodalic29]

Can you please let me know how to fix my under eye area which seems hallow and I have eyebags under certain lighting

its barley even noticeable

 

[greycel]

I’d love to answer your question but may I ask why before I do so?

I'll answer why after
But all I ask is you answer 100% honestly for these 7 questions

 

[JohnnyGGs]

I'll answer why after
But all I ask is you answer 100% honestly for these 7 questions

Ok I will try my best my memory of my childhood is very vague so I will try my best

1) I know my mother fed me premade baby mash and other baby foods. My parents growing up made sure I had a good diet with vegetables proteins and complex carbs. My favorite food growing up was steak and I remember writing this on a first grade self presentation project
2) I’m not sure how long I was Brest feed but I know that I was. I remember my mom said I was “addicted” to my binnky as well
3) I believe I did breath through my nose naturally. There are not may pictures of me with my mouth open as a child. Also during puberty I chewed tabbaco a lot so my mouth was always closed. I think I may open my mouth when I sleep as I still do wake up with a sore throat from time to time.
4) I’m not sure if I mewed naturally from birth
5) I did not eat junk often in my childhood year but as a teen and pre teen my diet was very poor as I became more independent
6) I drank milk often as it was my mom’s favorite drink so she always had me drinking it.
7) I only played baseball growing up and I trined religious from a young age. I was also always outside as a child and stated lifting at the age of 13 with however lifting was inconsistent through out the years.

Hopefully this helps you
Thanks

 

[greycel]

Ok I will try my best my memory of my childhood is very vague so I will try my best

1) I know my mother fed me premade baby mash and other baby foods. My parents growing up made sure I had a good diet with vegetables proteins and complex carbs. My favorite food growing up was steak and I remember writing this on a first grade self presentation project
2) I’m not sure how long I was Brest feed but I know that I was. I remember my mom said I was “addicted” to my binnky as well
3) I believe I did breath through my nose naturally. There are not may pictures of me with my mouth open as a child. Also during puberty I chewed tabbaco a lot so my mouth was always closed. I think I may open my mouth when I sleep as I still do wake up with a sore throat from time to time.
4) I’m not sure if I mewed naturally from birth
5) I did not eat junk often in my childhood year but as a teen and pre teen my diet was very poor as I became more independent
6) I drank milk often as it was my mom’s favorite drink so she always had me drinking it.
7) I only played baseball growing up and I trined religious from a young age. I was also always outside as a child and stated lifting at the age of 13 with however lifting was inconsistent through out the years.

Hopefully this helps you
Thanks

I see, thank you so much for this detailed response bro

Just asking for question 4, I'm guessing you have been naturally having good tongue posture (mewing), for as long as you remember?

Reason I sent this is because you have very good craniofacial development

Your environment growing up has been very ideal.
Lots of people I've asked similar to you, have not had junk food much growing up and used to eat healthy eggs/milk etc

They also all chewed something from very early on

 

[JohnnyGGs]

I see, thank you so much for this detailed response bro

Just asking for question 4, I'm guessing you have been naturally having good tongue posture (mewing), for as long as you remember?

Reason I sent this is because you have very good craniofacial development

Your environment growing up has been very ideal.
Lots of people I've asked similar to you, have not had junk food much growing up and used to eat healthy eggs/milk etc

They also all chewed something from very early on

I guess so my tonge kinda naturally goes to the top of my mouth
. If I position it somewhere else it feels uncomfortable I also had braces in case you’re wondering

 

[greycel]

I guess so my tonge kinda naturally goes to the top of my mouth
. If I position it somewhere else it feels uncomfortable I also had braces in case you’re wondering

No extractions or elastics?

 

[JohnnyGGs]

No extractions or elastics?

No extractions I still have my wisdom teeth in and I never had elastics

 

[greycel]

No extractions I still have my wisdom teeth in and I never had elastics

Then your ortho didn't screw you
Braces didn't negatively affect your craniofacial development, you're good

 

[JohnnyGGs]

Then your ortho didn't screw you
Braces didn't negatively affect your craniofacial development, you're good

Hahah that’s good I find it so strange that braces are almost a standard. Everyone I knew growing up had them

 

[Snicket]

I see, thank you so much for this detailed response bro

Just asking for question 4, I'm guessing you have been naturally having good tongue posture (mewing), for as long as you remember?

Reason I sent this is because you have very good craniofacial development

Your environment growing up has been very ideal.

No. Craniofacial development is overwhelmingly genetic, partially epigenetic at best.

Lots of people I've asked similar to you, have not had junk food much growing up and used to eat healthy eggs/milk etc

They also all chewed something from very early on

The vast majority of people do not have the genetic potential for a perfect forwardly grown face or anything close to it.

It’s like a 5ft 6 man thinking he could be 6ft tall with the right diet.


You can optimise your craniofacial development but you can't fundamentally change it.

OP has a decent maxilla but nothing to ride home about. His mandible and ramus are excellent however.

There's a strong likelihood that his facial structure was inherited from his parents or other further up the ancestral tree.

 

[Snicket]

Can you please let me know how to fix my under eye area which seems hallow and I have eyebags under certain lighting

To answer you question directly, OP.

I believe you have a negative orbital vector; this is where the infra-orbital rim (the bone under your eye) is underprojected.

The solution to this is typically infraorbital rim implants.

Fat grafts are often used as well if an infraorbital deficiency is exacerbated by poor fat pad genetics.

I can’t tell from your photos whether this is an issue though.

There are a lot of teenagers on here who don't know their ass from their elbow.

So be warned.

 

[JohnnyGGs]

No. Craniofacial development is overwhelmingly genetic, partially epigenetic at best.


The vast majority of people do not have the genetic potential for a perfect forwardly grown face or anything close to it.

It’s like a 5ft 6 man thinking he could be 6ft tall with the right diet.


You can optimise your craniofacial development but you can't fundamentally change it.

OP has a decent maxilla but nothing to ride home about. His mandible and ramus are excellent however.

There's a strong likelihood that his facial structure was inherited from his parents or other further up the ancestral tree.

Snicket thank you for the insight. I’m a carious is there anything that can be done for improving my maxilla without a lefort movement such as implants. I feel as if I have a decent base and can really improve my looks with a few conservative implants etc


Thanks

 

[Snicket]

Snicket thank you for the insight. I’m a carious is there anything that can be done for improving my maxilla without a lefort movement such as implants.

You don’t need any kind of LeFort surgery.
It would be very invasive for no clear benefit.

Infraorbital rim implants would give you more under eye projection and possibly solve the problem.

However, under eye hollowing can be a result of either declining fat pads or insufficient under eye projection or both.

So I can’t be certain that this will solve your problem, OP.

You should talk to a cosmetic surgeon to isolate the problem if this is a big issue for you .

I feel as if I have a decent base and can really improve my looks with a few conservative implants etc


Thanks

You look good and honestly, I would not be considering any kind of surgery in your shoes.

Your under eye area problem isn’t severe or even particularly noticeable.

I understand the desire to improve on your baseline but I wouldn’t opt for surgical intervention unless there’s a clear benefit in doing so.

 

[JohnnyGGs]

You don’t need any kind of LeFort surgery.
It would be very invasive for no clear benefit.

Infraorbital rim implants would give you more under eye projection and possibly solve the problem.

However, under eye hollowing can be a result of either declining fat pads or insufficient under eye projection or both.

So I can’t be certain that this will solve your problem, OP.

You should talk to a cosmetic surgeon to isolate the problem if this is a big issue for you .

You look good and honestly, I would not be considering any kind of surgery in your shoes.

Your under eye area problem isn’t severe or even particularly noticeable.

I understand the desire to improve on your baseline but I wouldn’t opt for surgical intervention unless there’s a clear benefit in doing so.

Ok thank you for your compliments

 

[copercel123]

Can you please let me know how to fix my under eye area which seems hallow and I have eyebags under certain lighting

Under blepharoplasty

 

[greycel]

No. Craniofacial development is overwhelmingly genetic, partially epigenetic at best.


The vast majority of people do not have the genetic potential for a perfect forwardly grown face or anything close to it.

It’s like a 5ft 6 man thinking he could be 6ft tall with the right diet.


You can optimise your craniofacial development but you can't fundamentally change it.

OP has a decent maxilla but nothing to ride home about. His mandible and ramus are excellent however.

There's a strong likelihood that his facial structure was inherited from his parents or other further up the ancestral tree.

I agree, but not everyone reaches their potential

Class III underbites are genetic but having overbites from breathing through your mouth from birth and then having 4 premolar extractions before puverty and years of braces with elastics surely would have an effect

For the vast majority there's maybe a small difference in breathing through the nose and perfect tongue posture

I think it's more about not being bad (extractions, braces etc), than being good (going from nose ->mewing)

 

[Snicket]

I agree, but not everyone reaches their potential

Class III underbites are genetic but having overbites from breathing through your mouth from birth and then having 4 premolar extractions before puverty and years of braces with elastics surely would have an effect

I agree there would be an impact but I don't think it would radically change facial structure.

Genetics >>>> Epigenetics

 

[greycel]

I agree there would be an impact but I don't think it would radically change facial structure.

Genetics >>>> Epigenetics

I'm speaking from experience as I've had this and all of my family members didn't

All have projected maxillas with no undereye crease from a negative orbital vector, nor condylar growth asymmetry from uneven ramus during development. One ramus is longer than the other, causing entire skull to grow in an abnormal direction where it's twisted on an axis that isn't centred

Both my eyes have positive tilt but one is much higher
Zygos are asymmetric in projection and height, I feel bone loss from extractions is responsible from this. Check before and afters of premolar extractions for adults. This is a notable difference. For children this would be exponentially worse

Thing is I also had broken my nose growing up and never straightened it, so I can't accurately say the asymmetry was definitely from orthodontics or from my skull developing using a different midline

In any case from the off chance that this was significantly dependent on genes, I guess I'll have to prioritise a girl who has good craniofacial development over features/ratios
And maybe not racemix but find a girl with a different pheno from my country, as a wider gene pool, leads to less recession for the child (mixed race kids often have least recession)

 

[Snicket]

I'm speaking from experience as I've had this and all of my family members didn't

All have projected maxillas with no undereye crease from a negative orbital vector, nor condylar growth asymmetry from uneven ramus during development. One ramus is longer than the other, causing entire skull to grow in an abnormal direction where it's twisted on an axis that isn't centred

Both my eyes have positive tilt but one is much higher
Zygos are asymmetric in projection and height, I feel bone loss from extractions is responsible from this. Check before and afters of premolar extractions for adults. This is a notable difference. For children this would be exponentially worse

Thing is I also had broken my nose growing up and never straightened it, so I can't accurately say the asymmetry was definitely from orthodontics or from my skull developing using a different midline

I understand your point of view and respectfully disagree. I have heard stories like this many times from other users.
Their family members all had forward grown, healthy maxillas, ortho fucked me etc...

Genetic recombination is a major cause and people often romanticize the looks of their family members.

I can't judge your individual case and it wouldn't be fair for me to do that so I won't.

I'm just skeptical. All research papers I've read state that facial development is overwhelmingly genetic, roughly 80% genetic and 20% hereditary, with ramus length and asymmetry being the only two big environmentally affected attributes - which is consistent somewhat with your history.

I don't really see why ramus length would cause the entire maxilla to grow at a cant.

In any case from the off chance that this was significantly dependent on genes, I guess I'll have to prioritise a girl who has good craniofacial development over features/ratios
And maybe not racemix but find a girl with a different pheno from my country, as a wider gene pool, leads to less recession for the child (mixed race kids often have least recession)

Agree with this.

 

[JohnnyGGs]

I understand your point of view and respectfully disagree. I have heard stories like this many times from other users.
Their family members all had forward grown, healthy maxillas, ortho fucked me etc...

Genetic recombination is a major cause and people often romanticize the looks of their family members.

I can't judge your individual case and it wouldn't be fair for me to do that so I won't.

I'm just skeptical. All research papers I've read state that facial development is overwhelmingly genetic, roughly 80% genetic and 20% hereditary, with ramus length and asymmetry being the only two big environmentally affected attributes - which is consistent somewhat with your history.

I don't really see why ramus length would cause the entire maxilla to grow at a cant.


Agree with this.

Just wondering a common criticism I has is a smaller mouth I’ve seen a palate expander can be a fix to this and it’s relatively cheap compared to other hard surgeries. Just wondering if this can negative impact my facial structure

 

[JohnnyGGs]

Just wondering a common criticism I has is a smaller mouth I’ve seen a palate expander can be a fix to this and it’s relatively cheap compared to other hard surgeries. Just wondering if this can negative impact my facial structure

@grey cell

 

[JohnnyGGs]

@grey cell

@greycel

 

[JohnnyGGs]

@greycel

Pic of pallet

 

[greycel]

Pic of pallet

It can introduce asymmetry
Also might widen alar
And maybe potential issues with teeth separation, for which you might need invisalign after..