FREE WILL IS COPE (You clicking on this thread is predetermined)

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Free will is a cope often used by theists to explain why god allows evil in the world, but today i will debunk free will and why its impossible.

If decisions arent freely chosen, how are they made?
The way you make decisions depends on your personality, which sounds obvious at first, but if you look closer at how a personality is formed, you will find out your decisions arent free.

Personality is made up of:

1) GENETICS

Not only are looks predetermined, but a large part of your personality depends on genetics as well. The way you react to things is determined by your genetics. A dramatic example of this is a kid who goes through childhood trauma. Some people react more positively to it and can eventually move on with their lifes, while others could turn into ER while going through the same thing.

2) Environment
Your environment is the other important component in forming your personality. The feedback you receive as a child, has significant influence over your view of the world and personaltiy. If you grow up in a positive environment, you will end up being healthy mentally, confident and more positive. Grow up in a negative environment and you will face more self doubt, pessimism and mental illness.

Genetics and your childhood enviroment are both things you have ZERO control over. So the personality you will have is predetermined. Part of your personality is your preferences which are ofc predetermined as well. You didnt logically pick preferring apples over oranges. You naturally preferred one of them and while you might come up with a reasoning as to why you made your choice later, you didnt think of them initially. This is how all decisions are made. Calculations and decisions are happening subconsciously before you even come up with a result consciously.
This subconscious is influenced by your personality and your current environment. A environment created by past decisions. Decisions decided by your personality. A personality we have no choice over. Its a endless loop.
 
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NICE TRY ON STEALING GULLIBLE FOOLS' FREEWILL -- BUT NOT MINE!
 
I have been advocating for hard determinism for a long time. You can't do anything different than what your character dictates and you don't freely choose your character. It's determined by your life experiences and brain chemistry.
 
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I have been advocating for hard determinism for a long time. You can't do anything different than what your character dictates and you don't freely choose your character. It's determined by your life experiences and brain chemistry.
RETARD
 
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Quantum mechanics disproves this, true randomness exists. An infinite regress is logically impossible
 
Quantum mechanics disproves this, true randomness exists. An infinite regress is logically impossible
QUANTUM MECHANICS IS COPE

IT JUST REVOLVES AROUND WHAT IS OBSERVED VS NOT OBSERVED JUST LIKE FAKE MAGIC TRICKS
 
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Quantum mechanics disproves this, true randomness exists. An infinite regress is logically impossible
Disprove it how? How would we know how random a decision is?
 
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Cause it's unpredictable or breaks established laws
Only because its unpredictable, doesnt mean it isnt predetermined and theres really no established laws when it comes to a personality, just certain tendencies that are consistent
 
Quantum mechanics disproves this, true randomness exists. An infinite regress is logically impossible
Does not scale to macroscopic systems because of decohernece and randomness doesn't mean free will. You're just replacing deterministic causation with probabilistic causation. Still not up to you either way.
 
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Does not scale to macroscopic systems because of decohernece and randomness doesn't mean free will. You're just replacing deterministic causation with probabilistic causation. Still not up to you either way.
It means not everything is predetermined, which implies free-will. Total free-will doesn't exist, it's an incoherent concept
 
good thread

determinism rules life
 
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It means not everything is predetermined, which implies free-will. Total free-will doesn't exist, it's an incoherent concept
Actually it still means there's a prior cause that's not up to you, it's just that with quantum mechanics there's more than one possible future. But it's not up to the agent, it's still determined by prior causes. But not in a way where it was the only possible thing that could've happened.
 
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Actually it still means there's a prior cause that's not up to you, it's just that with quantum mechanics there's more than one possible future. But it's not up to the agent, it's still determined by prior causes. But not in a way where it was the only possible thing that could've happened.
Infinite regress isn't possible, which alone disproves determinism
 
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Free will is a cope often used by theists to explain why god allows evil in the world, but today i will debunk free will and why its impossible.

If decisions arent freely chosen, how are they made?
The way you make decisions depends on your personality, which sounds obvious at first, but if you look closer at how a personality is formed, you will find out your decisions arent free.

Personality is made up of:

1) GENETICS

Not only are looks predetermined, but a large part of your personality depends on genetics as well. The way you react to things is determined by your genetics. A dramatic example of this is a kid who goes through childhood trauma. Some people react more positively to it and can eventually move on with their lifes, while others could turn into ER while going through the same thing.

2) Environment
Your environment is the other important component in forming your personality. The feedback you receive as a child, has significant influence over your view of the world and personaltiy. If you grow up in a positive environment, you will end up being healthy mentally, confident and more positive. Grow up in a negative environment and you will face more self doubt, pessimism and mental illness.

Genetics and your childhood enviroment are both things you have ZERO control over. So the personality you will have is predetermined. Part of your personality is your preferences which are ofc predetermined as well. You didnt logically pick preferring apples over oranges. You naturally preferred one of them and while you might come up with a reasoning as to why you made your choice later, you didnt think of them initially. This is how all decisions are made. Calculations and decisions are happening subconsciously before you even come up with a result consciously.
This subconscious is influenced by your personality and your current environment. A environment created by past decisions. Decisions decided by your personality. A personality we have no choice over. Its a endless loop.
not ur thread
 
QUANTUM MECHANICS IS COPE

IT JUST REVOLVES AROUND WHAT IS OBSERVED VS NOT OBSERVED JUST LIKE FAKE MAGIC TRICKS
These people are basically admitting they can't think besides what was programmed to them, it's not my conjecture, it's their own word.
So don't waste your time lecturing these animals
 
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Infinite regress isn't possible, which alone disproves determinism
Doesn't matter at all. Local causal chains exist. Biological determinism exists. You don't need to stretch it back to the beginning of time.
 
Doesn't matter at all. Local causal chains exist. Biological determinism exists. You don't need to stretch it back to the beginning of time.
Yes you do, it proves not everything is causal
 
These people are basically admitting they can't think besides what was programmed to them,
How would this be false lmao? Can you think of anything your brain can't conceive of? Can you produce any information that hasn't been processed by your brain?
 
How would this be false lmao? Can you think of anything your brain can't conceive of? Can you produce any information that hasn't been processed by your brain?
Stfu and keep following your programming, self admitted bot
 
Kuffar Cope

The polytheists argue, “Had Allah willed, neither we nor our forefathers would have worshipped anything other than Him, nor prohibited anything without His command.” So did those before them. Is not the messengers’ duty only to deliver ˹the message˺ clearly? 16:35 Quran

Excuses
 
Stfu and keep following your programming, self admitted bot
Wow nice lack of answer. Way to show you're incapable of defending your case and can only behave like an animal who uses insults while calling others animals. The irony.
 
"These people are basically admitting they can't think besides what was programmed to them"

The utter stupidity of someone who tries to make this out as an absurdity :lul::lul::lul: apparently he can magically conjure up thoughts beyond what his brain can conceive of and has been introduced to
 
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Wow nice lack of answer. Way to show you're incapable of defending your case and can only behave like an animal who uses insults while calling others animals. The irony.
I can't be bothered replying to someone who can't think, believes that they can't and proudly exclaims so. I'm sorry
 
"These people are basically admitting they can't think besides what was programmed to them"

The utter stupidity of someone who tries to make this out as an absurdity :lul::lul::lul: apparently he can magically conjure up thoughts beyond what his brain can conceive of and has been introduced to
Me saying that was predetermined so don't stress it bud
 
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I can't be bothered replying to someone who can't think, believes that they can't and proudly exclaims so. I'm sorry
You're not ready to have this discussion. Determinism or "pre-programming" does not preclude thinking. Stop embarassing yourself and go learn more about this.
 
Plus, my life is a simulation and you are code
 
the truth is: there is no free will no matter how you feel about it
 
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every movement of molecules, all signals that course through your brain, and every thought you have had or ever will have has been predetermined since the inception of spacetime. randomness and chaos are an illusion resulting from limitations of human perception and imagination. with a complex enough simulation/mind you can account for everything and see the unalterable nature of reality.

evidence of god's micromanagement can be seen everywhere.
 
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every movement of molecules, all signals that course through your brain, and every thought you have had or ever will have has been predetermined since the inception of spacetime. randomness and chaos are an illusion resulting from limitations of human perception and imagination. with a complex enough simulation/mind you can account for everything and see the unalterable nature of reality.

evidence of god's micromanagement can be seen everywhere.
Nerd
 
Free will is a cope often used by theists to explain why god allows evil in the world, but today i will debunk free will and why its impossible.

If decisions arent freely chosen, how are they made?
The way you make decisions depends on your personality, which sounds obvious at first, but if you look closer at how a personality is formed, you will find out your decisions arent free.

Personality is made up of:

1) GENETICS

Not only are looks predetermined, but a large part of your personality depends on genetics as well. The way you react to things is determined by your genetics. A dramatic example of this is a kid who goes through childhood trauma. Some people react more positively to it and can eventually move on with their lifes, while others could turn into ER while going through the same thing.

2) Environment
Your environment is the other important component in forming your personality. The feedback you receive as a child, has significant influence over your view of the world and personaltiy. If you grow up in a positive environment, you will end up being healthy mentally, confident and more positive. Grow up in a negative environment and you will face more self doubt, pessimism and mental illness.

Genetics and your childhood enviroment are both things you have ZERO control over. So the personality you will have is predetermined. Part of your personality is your preferences which are ofc predetermined as well. You didnt logically pick preferring apples over oranges. You naturally preferred one of them and while you might come up with a reasoning as to why you made your choice later, you didnt think of them initially. This is how all decisions are made. Calculations and decisions are happening subconsciously before you even come up with a result consciously.
This subconscious is influenced by your personality and your current environment. A environment created by past decisions. Decisions decided by your personality. A personality we have no choice over. Its a endless loop.
thx for tagging me but I got so much work rn + midterms so sry ill maybe read this later bro
 
every movement of molecules, all signals that course through your brain, and every thought you have had or ever will have has been predetermined since the inception of spacetime. randomness and chaos are an illusion resulting from limitations of human perception and imagination. with a complex enough simulation/mind you can account for everything and see the unalterable nature of reality.

evidence of god's micromanagement can be seen everywhere.
Whats a example of god's micromanagement?
 
These people are basically admitting they can't think besides what was programmed to them, it's not my conjecture, it's their own word.
So don't waste your time lecturing these animals
It doesnt mean you cant think, but you dont get to choose the thoughts you are gonna have
 
Not a single molecule buddy boyo
 
you can try to change all you want but the big picture will stay the SAME
 
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