Friendships aren't inherently valued anymore (anatomy of social circles) LONG THREAD DNR

[irrumator praetor]

(this is also ONE of the contributing reasons for an increase in loneliness, especially among the more competitive male gender in the modern period)

As kids, and perhaps these used to be true, we were raised on a set of "noble lies" among which we were told that friendships are inherently and equally valued, that friends had to follow certain standards, "bro code", "being a real friend" etc. as part of a larger societal moral/ethical code, because intimate human connection had inherent value (because it couldn't easily be established, it was circumstantial or simply it was valued more). Today and before our eyes, we are seeing these standards erode. (w opener ik)

And this is simple, due to social media and the internet (in part also due to urbanization), we can easily connect with real life people we otherwise could never have connected with normally. This means more opportunity for intentional communities. That means more tactically or opportunistically aligned friendships and contacts. This is a more pagan, aristocratic and individualistic behavior only elites of the past were able to do, or very rich intellectuals. Today though, this is available for the average plebian goy person. Which carefully aligns with the rising trend of individualism and atomization. You do not define yourself as apart of an inherent blood and soil community, but as an isolated individual that may choose to partake in some temporary relative alliance. Friendships aren't "real" anymore, they often feel like temporary alliances, until one side stops benefiting.

It is, on one hand, understandable to fuck someone off if they become a drug addict. In the past though this too was frowned upon. They would've told you "well isn't he your friend? Help him out". Today though, on the other hand, it is entirely a different behavior to fuck someone off opportunistically, or for any other reason then what we considered a good one not so long ago. If you would have noticed, disassociation and cutting people off has become more common, and the bar for doing so has dropped even lower. We will explore why, later on.

Lets first set an example of the average friend group most people have experienced at least once: the middle school or high school friend groups. 1) Lets see how they survive as time goes on, after middle or high school end. By analyzing how they slowly and inevitably disintegrate, we'll be able to discuss psychological factors behind them doing so. Explanations for behavior and why the logic. 2) Then, we will analyze the disintegration of the "bro code" and ethical friend group standards, compare how they erode with the erosion of the value of human connection. 3) Yes, we can even explain why your friend might take your bitch, if he can. This particular example has to do with overall societal goals/culture/orientation and expectations as well as competition, "fast life, flexing" etc. A materialistic and capitalistic driven society, where experiences are also valued as a form of capital, thus hedonism, which overwrites or overrides in value all human standards, ethics and morality, thus takes more importance and central focus. The infamous boomer "fuck you, I got mine" is one example of this manifesting in real life. Also in a society that increasingly has "less time" thus hurries to all sorts of hedonistic pleasures to make up for it. The lack of time and the rush to borderline narcissistic individual success (over group success) adds more pressure to your "bros" moral compass to just take your bitch instead of being a "good homie", in part maybe because he thinks you would do the same thing (low trust society/social fabric). You can also see this happen more often in an overly sexualized and sexless society (unfulfilled base need). Everything will be explored today.

1) establishment and subsequent erosion of older friend groups, the death or near extinction of lifelong close connections

2) The near zero value of human connection

3) Competition among men, the never ending hedonistic chase

Im gonna continue this thread later though ngl lmfao hope you all vibe with this until then

 

[irrumator praetor]

1)
So suppose everyone in the social circle is ranked according to their individual status and also according to their existing social connections. By definition, the more connections and friend circles they have in addition to the one we're inspecting, the less they'll be engaged in the activities of the social circle. Decreasing their participation thus interest, leading down the slow path of disassociation. This would be like their "distance" away from the group, relative to other members. Or, another way of disassociation (disintegration of the circle) is by deliberate means (opportunistic). Simply put, if they don't see much value or benefit in maintaining the connection, it will be cut off. Hence with the passage of time and less things "in common" (a relative measurement), paths of individuals slowly diverge. And if they grow too far apart, relative to social status and income bracket, opportunistically (most of the times) the connection is cut off. This is modern society. The only long term friendships that last are if the people are still on an equal level of income and status. Mutual benefit.
To conclude this point, friendship isn't an inherently valued circle or connection anymore, it is a cow to be milked before it inevitably dies off (someone stops having any use of it). The group itself may fragment into smaller splinter groups, according to peoples relative "distance". These people may initiate something within the group itself according to their interests, or maintain contact after the group disintegrates. But we're talking about smaller groups cuz they're more popular nowadays, so dynamics of bigger groups are less important now.

2)
People naturally stop being careful about respecting a friend or a member of their social circle if they don't value their interpersonal connection as much. But if you apply this to a general societal level trend, then you start seeing our example 3) more often. So and so, I don't wanna make this post long as well.

also inb4 "water"
also if any of you are surprised by what I consider to be common knowledge, all of this is derived from recent statistics, some anecdotal experience and observing trends. This is also a hypothetical model/logic so I don't expect everything from this framework to apply IRL. im describing imagined hyper materialistic western social dynamics. Idk how it really is over there, never visited. If you find this to be for real then I did a good job, if you disagree then say why.

 

[minecraftswag4]

true

 

[cristaking8]

(this is also ONE of the contributing reasons for an increase in loneliness, especially among the more competitive male gender in the modern period)

As kids, and perhaps these used to be true, we were raised on a set of "noble lies" among which we were told that friendships are inherently and equally valued, that friends had to follow certain standards, "bro code", "being a real friend" etc. as part of a larger societal moral/ethical code, because intimate human connection had inherent value (because it couldn't easily be established, it was circumstantial or simply it was valued more). Today and before our eyes, we are seeing these standards erode. (w opener ik)

And this is simple, due to social media and the internet (in part also due to urbanization), we can easily connect with real life people we otherwise could never have connected with normally. This means more opportunity for intentional communities. That means more tactically or opportunistically aligned friendships and contacts. This is a more pagan, aristocratic and individualistic behavior only elites of the past were able to do, or very rich intellectuals. Today though, this is available for the average plebian goy person. Which carefully aligns with the rising trend of individualism and atomization. You do not define yourself as apart of an inherent blood and soil community, but as an isolated individual that may choose to partake in some temporary relative alliance. Friendships aren't "real" anymore, they often feel like temporary alliances, until one side stops benefiting.

It is, on one hand, understandable to fuck someone off if they become a drug addict. In the past though this too was frowned upon. They would've told you "well isn't he your friend? Help him out". Today though, on the other hand, it is entirely a different behavior to fuck someone off opportunistically, or for any other reason then what we considered a good one not so long ago. If you would have noticed, disassociation and cutting people off has become more common, and the bar for doing so has dropped even lower. We will explore why, later on.

Lets first set an example of the average friend group most people have experienced at least once: the middle school or high school friend groups. 1) Lets see how they survive as time goes on, after middle or high school end. By analyzing how they slowly and inevitably disintegrate, we'll be able to discuss psychological factors behind them doing so. Explanations for behavior and why the logic. 2) Then, we will analyze the disintegration of the "bro code" and ethical friend group standards, compare how they erode with the erosion of the value of human connection. 3) Yes, we can even explain why your friend might take your bitch, if he can. This particular example has to do with overall societal goals/culture/orientation and expectations as well as competition, "fast life, flexing" etc. A materialistic and capitalistic driven society, where experiences are also valued as a form of capital, thus hedonism, which overwrites or overrides in value all human standards, ethics and morality, thus takes more importance and central focus. The infamous boomer "fuck you, I got mine" is one example of this manifesting in real life. Also in a society that increasingly has "less time" thus hurries to all sorts of hedonistic pleasures to make up for it. The lack of time and the rush to borderline narcissistic individual success (over group success) adds more pressure to your "bros" moral compass to just take your bitch instead of being a "good homie", in part maybe because he thinks you would do the same thing (low trust society/social fabric). You can also see this happen more often in an overly sexualized and sexless society (unfulfilled base need). Everything will be explored today.

1) establishment and subsequent erosion of older friend groups, the death or near extinction of lifelong close connections

2) The near zero value of human connection

3) Competition among men, the never ending hedonistic chase

Im gonna continue this thread later though ngl lmfao hope you all vibe with this until then

1)
So suppose everyone in the social circle is ranked according to their individual status and also according to their existing social connections. By definition, the more connections and friend circles they have in addition to the one we're inspecting, the less they'll be engaged in the activities of the social circle. Decreasing their participation thus interest, leading down the slow path of disassociation. This would be like their "distance" away from the group, relative to other members. Or, another way of disassociation (disintegration of the circle) is by deliberate means (opportunistic). Simply put, if they don't see much value or benefit in maintaining the connection, it will be cut off. Hence with the passage of time and less things "in common" (a relative measurement), paths of individuals slowly diverge. And if they grow too far apart, relative to social status and income bracket, opportunistically (most of the times) the connection is cut off. This is modern society. The only long term friendships that last are if the people are still on an equal level of income and status. Mutual benefit.
To conclude this point, friendship isn't an inherently valued circle or connection anymore, it is a cow to be milked before it inevitably dies off (someone stops having any use of it). The group itself may fragment into smaller splinter groups, according to peoples relative "distance". These people may initiate something within the group itself according to their interests, or maintain contact after the group disintegrates. But we're talking about smaller groups cuz they're more popular nowadays, so dynamics of bigger groups are less important now.

2)
People naturally stop being careful about respecting a friend or a member of their social circle if they don't value their interpersonal connection as much. But if you apply this to a general societal level trend, then you start seeing our example 3) more often. So and so, I don't wanna make this post long as well.

also inb4 "water"
also if any of you are surprised by what I consider to be common knowledge, all of this is derived from recent statistics, some anecdotal experience and observing trends. This is also a hypothetical model/logic so I don't expect everything from this framework to apply IRL. im describing imagined hyper materialistic western social dynamics. Idk how it really is over there, never visited. If you find this to be for real then I did a good job, if you disagree then say why.

DNR ANY OF THAT SHIT but it’s prob right

 

[Gamerspyy786]

High iq

Explains why I cut off most my friends

 

[Gamerspyy786]

Read every molecule

 

[Informationcapitali]

Basically just avoid social interaction and people as a whole is what i learned. got it

 

[irrumator praetor]

Basically just avoid social interaction and people as a whole is what i learned. got it

No it just details how modern friendships function. It doesn't mean "go friendless" neither does it guarantee every relationship will go this way, just in most cases. Even if relationships are opportunistic temporary cattle to milk, you can't go without them

 

[irrumator praetor]

High iq

Explains why I cut off most my friends

Tbh im guilty too. I notice I get a feeling of "wtf am I doing" if they start drinking more often (not even for the foids). Even still though I never cut anyone fully off because of something like this (although I would for some extreme cases), mostly I've cut already weak connections that were already decaying. But of course they decay out of superficial reasons, not that any of the friendships were based on anything deep anyway.

 

[irrumator praetor]

To summarize the thread: Friendships aren't valued and are superficial because 1) human connection dropped in value, in part due to urbanization and the internet, and in part also because 2) there are other pressures which I outlined in example 3) where the most extreme scenario of brotherhood treachery is analyzed (your bro taking your girl), in other words pressures such as hedonism, competition, a lack of time and a prioritization of success of self over the ethics and morality of the group.

 

[MOSSADGLOWIE]

high iq
bumping so more people read

 

[irrumator praetor]

high iq
bumping so more people read

thanks bhai

 

[irrumator praetor]

gonna get worse

Why the BP going Mainstream is Death-Tier

There is a consensus that the BP going Mainstream would somehow fix it. That if people understood the extent of the BP. they would stop neglecting Sub5's and Shortcels. That hypergamy would stabilize a bit. This is not true. Here is my Estimate for how social dynamics would change from...

looksmax.org

 

[roadtochang123]

No it just details how modern friendships function. It doesn't mean "go friendless" neither does it guarantee every relationship will go this way, just in most cases. Even if relationships are opportunistic temporary cattle to milk, you can't go without them

I wish friends weren't like this

All of my friends are essentially just a byproduct of scrolling bunch of instagram reels now. I do care about them quite alot but they'd never responded back to this, they only seek me whenever they're feeling bored or whatever negative things they're experiencing


(I'm not that all-sympathizing person)

 

[irrumator praetor]

All of my friends are essentially just a byproduct of scrolling bunch of instagram reels now.

lmfao cooked

 

[flatcheck213]

I wish friends weren't like this

All of my friends are essentially just a byproduct of scrolling bunch of instagram reels now. I do care about them quite alot but they'd never responded back to this, they only seek me whenever they're feeling bored or whatever negative things they're experiencing


(I'm not that all-sympathizing person)

I envy people with truly great friendships

 

[flatcheck213]

I envy people with truly great friendships

also I never thought I’d say this but BP wasn’t that bad in the past
you can point to studies showing that looks matter but most of our problems came about as a byproduct of broader societal degradation

 

[irrumator praetor]

I envy people with truly great friendships

atp i think its RNG statistically they gotta be few in these societies.

also I never thought I’d say this but BP wasn’t that bad in the past
you can point to studies showing that looks matter but most of our problems came about as a byproduct of broader societal degradation

Yep you had looks brackets back then too but people genuinely either played match-maker or people simply knew their place (by people i mean foids). I think gender ideology and misandry changed this, however. In 2025 though, a normie will calculate your IPD and chin to philtrum, and will either hear you out or not LMFAO I talked about this too, like if we keep only considering looks in social interactions, all merit or morality will go out the window if the only authority is your jawline. You can be a serial rapist with a good jawline, and gen z logic would be that ur superior cuz u mog. So, people are becoming like foids, cuz foids worship the types of richard ramirez etc. Foidification of the west

 

[flatcheck213]

Yep you had looks brackets back then too but people genuinely either played match-maker or people simply knew their place (by people i mean foids). I think gender ideology and misandry changed this, however. In 2025 though, a normie will calculate your IPD and chin to philtrum, and will either hear you out or not LMFAO I talked about this too, like if we keep only considering looks in social interactions, all merit or morality will go out the window if the only authority is your jawline. You can be a serial rapist with a good jawline, and gen z logic would be that ur superior cuz u mog. So, people are becoming like foids, cuz foids worship the types of richard ramirez etc. Foidification of the west

I don't even think its about looks nowadays
Looks just place you in a better position to cope with this freakshow

 

[Trilogy]

Read the whole thing

 

[irrumator praetor]

I don't even think its about looks nowadays
Looks just place you in a better position to cope with this freakshow

definitely a rise in mental illness. The bad thing about looksmaxer types going mainstream is the normalization of mental illness such as narcissism, sociopathy (doesn't need to be genetic, its behaviour can be circumstantially/societally enabled), etc. By normalization I mean, if you used to display these traits, you'd be boo'd off the internet until you got professional help. But by the acceptance of mental illness (probably due to its rise and prevalence - because it rose so much in gen z it overpowered non-mentally ill people in numbers LOL which means now its gonna be societally accepted) its now allowed to further propagate, whereas it used to be supressed. That means that, more non-mentally ill people will be around (and exposed to) normalized mental illness, which will make them act in the same way (you are what your environment makes of you. Imagine gen alpha being raised by a wholly mentally ill internet? Brutal). That means non-mentally ill people will actually become a minority within a generation. Narcissism is socially accepted in 2025. Etc. Thats a gigantic societal shift that no one is talking about, because many things are happening all at once and everyone's brains are fried by news and modern media/apps/feeds/algorithms.

So the looksflation is more of a cope of aspie teenagers who were developmentally arrested by a rise in narcissism and perhaps misandry. Mass rejection by the other sex will also contribute to a lot of insecurity and mental illness. Wherever you turn, no way out. At every corner, a knife. Looksmax and try not to become too narcy and be weary of mental illness would be my advice. It is what it is, we all do what we gotta to sustain ourselves. But this is unsustainable on a general level lol. I don't imagine gen z entering the workforce and being capable enough to socially interact with eachother without society falling apart, let alone gen alpha. Couple that with an economic hard time, etc. all things geopolitics, not looking good

 

[areayes]

(this is also ONE of the contributing reasons for an increase in loneliness, especially among the more competitive male gender in the modern period)

As kids, and perhaps these used to be true, we were raised on a set of "noble lies" among which we were told that friendships are inherently and equally valued, that friends had to follow certain standards, "bro code", "being a real friend" etc. as part of a larger societal moral/ethical code, because intimate human connection had inherent value (because it couldn't easily be established, it was circumstantial or simply it was valued more). Today and before our eyes, we are seeing these standards erode. (w opener ik)

And this is simple, due to social media and the internet (in part also due to urbanization), we can easily connect with real life people we otherwise could never have connected with normally. This means more opportunity for intentional communities. That means more tactically or opportunistically aligned friendships and contacts. This is a more pagan, aristocratic and individualistic behavior only elites of the past were able to do, or very rich intellectuals. Today though, this is available for the average plebian goy person. Which carefully aligns with the rising trend of individualism and atomization. You do not define yourself as apart of an inherent blood and soil community, but as an isolated individual that may choose to partake in some temporary relative alliance. Friendships aren't "real" anymore, they often feel like temporary alliances, until one side stops benefiting.

It is, on one hand, understandable to fuck someone off if they become a drug addict. In the past though this too was frowned upon. They would've told you "well isn't he your friend? Help him out". Today though, on the other hand, it is entirely a different behavior to fuck someone off opportunistically, or for any other reason then what we considered a good one not so long ago. If you would have noticed, disassociation and cutting people off has become more common, and the bar for doing so has dropped even lower. We will explore why, later on.

Lets first set an example of the average friend group most people have experienced at least once: the middle school or high school friend groups. 1) Lets see how they survive as time goes on, after middle or high school end. By analyzing how they slowly and inevitably disintegrate, we'll be able to discuss psychological factors behind them doing so. Explanations for behavior and why the logic. 2) Then, we will analyze the disintegration of the "bro code" and ethical friend group standards, compare how they erode with the erosion of the value of human connection. 3) Yes, we can even explain why your friend might take your bitch, if he can. This particular example has to do with overall societal goals/culture/orientation and expectations as well as competition, "fast life, flexing" etc. A materialistic and capitalistic driven society, where experiences are also valued as a form of capital, thus hedonism, which overwrites or overrides in value all human standards, ethics and morality, thus takes more importance and central focus. The infamous boomer "fuck you, I got mine" is one example of this manifesting in real life. Also in a society that increasingly has "less time" thus hurries to all sorts of hedonistic pleasures to make up for it. The lack of time and the rush to borderline narcissistic individual success (over group success) adds more pressure to your "bros" moral compass to just take your bitch instead of being a "good homie", in part maybe because he thinks you would do the same thing (low trust society/social fabric). You can also see this happen more often in an overly sexualized and sexless society (unfulfilled base need). Everything will be explored today.

1) establishment and subsequent erosion of older friend groups, the death or near extinction of lifelong close connections

2) The near zero value of human connection

3) Competition among men, the never ending hedonistic chase

Im gonna continue this thread later though ngl lmfao hope you all vibe with this until then

Dnr

 

[flatcheck213]

definitely a rise in mental illness. The bad thing about looksmaxer types going mainstream is the normalization of mental illness such as narcissism, sociopathy (doesn't need to be genetic, its behaviour can be circumstantially/societally enabled), etc. By normalization I mean, if you used to display these traits, you'd be boo'd off the internet until you got professional help. But by the acceptance of mental illness (probably due to its rise and prevalence - because it rose so much in gen z it overpowered non-mentally ill people in numbers LOL which means now its gonna be societally accepted) its now allowed to further propagate, whereas it used to be supressed. That means that, more non-mentally ill people will be around (and exposed to) normalized mental illness, which will make them act in the same way (you are what your environment makes of you. Imagine gen alpha being raised by a wholly mentally ill internet? Brutal). That means non-mentally ill people will actually become a minority within a generation. Narcissism is socially accepted in 2025. Etc. Thats a gigantic societal shift that no one is talking about, because many things are happening all at once and everyone's brains are fried by news and modern media/apps/feeds/algorithms.

So the looksflation is more of a cope of aspie teenagers who were developmentally arrested by a rise in narcissism and perhaps misandry. Mass rejection by the other sex will also contribute to a lot of insecurity and mental illness. Wherever you turn, no way out. At every corner, a knife. Looksmax and try not to become too narcy and be weary of mental illness would be my advice. It is what it is, we all do what we gotta to sustain ourselves. But this is unsustainable on a general level lol. I don't imagine gen z entering the workforce and being capable enough to socially interact with eachother without society falling apart, let alone gen alpha. Couple that with an economic hard time, etc. all things geopolitics, not looking good

Unironically most people here should fix their mental health first
just not in "normie way"

they wont be much happier if they just "ascend", because it wont fix underlying issues

 

[irrumator praetor]

Unironically most people here should fix their mental health first
just not in "normie way"

they wont be much happier if they just "ascend", because it wont fix underlying issues

for most people ascending would suffice, but they'll still be autistic or overly shallow IRL, nothing is stopping this trend where society is going. Disingenuity, narcissism, apathy, hedonism/vanity. You'll ascend, but then you'll notice you did it for some shallow people. It would have been a faustian bargain.

 

[1966Ford]

Bookmarked

 

[flatcheck213]

for most people ascending would suffice, but they'll still be autistic or overly shallow IRL,

fix your mental health, ascend and find people who arent mentally ill

 

[irrumator praetor]

 

[irrumator praetor]

 

[SharpOrange]

i posted that video here agree with most you said.
more niggas need to read this.