Fuck i need a midfacelift post infras

[moltisantichincel]

make a post on when infras are necessary and when they aren't, just like you did with bimax and jaw implants, for example Sean o pry has a negative orbital vector, would he benefit from implants at all, fuck no maybe only if he gotten a advancement bimax to prevent dogmaxxing, and that's the thing. surgeons that combine infras with bimax only do it for balancing to fix a flat midface, which recessed infras don't equal flat mid face, it can be genetic, Sean has a developed mid face yet has a negative vector. its not to actually improve under eye hollowness, maybe fix sclera show but other than fixing a deficient mid face and reduce sclera its pointless imo

 

[yussimania]

make a post on when infras are necessary and when they aren't, just like you did with bimax and jaw implants, for example Sean o pry has a negative orbital vector, would he benefit from implants at all, fuck no maybe only if he gotten a advancement bimax to prevent dogmaxxing, and that's the thing. surgeons that combine infras with bimax only do it for balancing to fix a flat midface, which recessed infras don't equal flat mid face, it can be genetic, Sean has a developed mid face yet has a negative vector. its not to actually improve under eye hollowness, maybe fix sclera show but other than fixing a deficient mid face and reduce sclera its pointless imo

Sean would still benefit from infraorbital malar implants idk wym especially about advancement bimax

Saddled isn't needed

 

[moltisantichincel]

Sean would still benefit from infraorbital malar implants idk wym especially about advancement bimax

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Saddled isn't needed

I guess yeah, my point was that the roi wouldn't be that high, like Sean will benefit from them a little, but at what cost? saggy skin, bad transition, I mean it won't even reduce his sclera. you know what I mean? he won't get anything of value from infras, and its all case dependent. by advancement bimax I mean, advancement with lefort 1. using inframalar implants is a way to prevent dog maxxing, im saying that a lot of the times that is their use. that they aren't used to actually improve zygoes or under eye hollowness instead they are used to balance out the mid face when you only advance the lower maxilla via lefort 1. I don't know tbh, I feel like if you want your cheekbones to improve a osteotomy is better, and inframalars are high risk low reward, as its one of the surgeries with the highest revision rate, for some bullshit positive vector which is mostly a meme.

 

[lurking truecel]

What's the problem? Sagging?

Yea

 

[lurking truecel]

what would you change about the original infra design if you don't mind me asking?

more smooth and small

 

[lurking truecel]

make a post on when infras are necessary and when they aren't, just like you did with bimax and jaw implants, for example Sean o pry has a negative orbital vector, would he benefit from implants at all, fuck no maybe only if he gotten a advancement bimax to prevent dogmaxxing, and that's the thing. surgeons that combine infras with bimax only do it for balancing to fix a flat midface, which recessed infras don't equal flat mid face, it can be genetic, Sean has a developed mid face yet has a negative vector. its not to actually improve under eye hollowness, maybe fix sclera show but other than fixing a deficient mid face and reduce sclera its pointless imo

I mean its hard to say, many could have it but it sellsom needed. And with this factor its hard to recommend but def can give improvements

 

[Jgns]

im thinking of getting inframalars how bad is the sagging acc espc as a 20 year old so the skins more youthful yk

 

[lurking truecel]

im thinking of getting inframalars how bad is the sagging acc espc as a 20 year old so the skins more youthful yk

Hard to say

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

im thinking of getting inframalars how bad is the sagging acc espc as a 20 year old so the skins more youthful yk

Whole issue is they expand the tissue envelope a lot. Keep in mind the infraorbital has maybe about 1 CM of tissue and it tapers down to about 2-3mm near the lower orbital rim. So even if you install a very conservative implant the expansion of the tissue is going to be dramatic, even if it visually doesn't appear that way. That has a cost to the tissue/normal supportive structure.

You already normally lose that structure as you age, so putting any additional stress on it is quite dramatic. It's also well known this is a very delicate area of the face. The patient selection here really needs to be hyper-specific. As a base case just assume its going to give you advanced age related sagging. If your willing to live with that for the implant then okay.

When these get botched, or for any reason they have to be removed it's a total fucking shit show. Fixing it is herculean task, so the risk are quite high.

Where as if you only go for a malar, instead of a combined infra/malar the tissue will hold up better and fixing it incase of any issue should be much easier.

 

[lurking truecel]

Whole issue is they expand the tissue envelope a lot. Keep in mind the infraorbital has maybe about 1 CM of tissue and it tapers down to about 2-3mm near the lower orbital rim. So even if you install a very conservative implant the expansion of the tissue is going to be dramatic, even if it visually doesn't appear that way. That has a cost to the tissue/normal supportive structure.

You already normally lose that structure as you age, so putting any additional stress on it is quite dramatic. It's also well known this is a very delicate area of the face. The patient selection here really needs to be hyper-specific. As a base case just assume its going to give you advanced age related sagging. If your willing to live with that for the implant then okay.

Who doesnt wamt to age as fast possible

 

[kaydd]

im thinking of getting inframalars how bad is the sagging acc espc as a 20 year old so the skins more youthful yk

pms bro

 

[Jgns]

Whole issue is they expand the tissue envelope a lot. Keep in mind the infraorbital has maybe about 1 CM of tissue and it tapers down to about 2-3mm near the lower orbital rim. So even if you install a very conservative implant the expansion of the tissue is going to be dramatic, even if it visually doesn't appear that way. That has a cost to the tissue/normal supportive structure.

You already normally lose that structure as you age, so putting any additional stress on it is quite dramatic. It's also well known this is a very delicate area of the face. The patient selection here really needs to be hyper-specific. As a base case just assume its going to give you advanced age related sagging. If your willing to live with that for the implant then okay.

When these get botched, or for any reason they have to be removed it's a total fucking shit show. Fixing it is herculean task, so the risk are quite high.

Where as if you only go for a malar, instead of a combined infra/malar the tissue will hold up better and fixing it incase of any issue should be much easier.

Damn that’s horrifying holy shit. My undereye have always been pretty bad but damn if this is this is a sideffect i might have to rethink it then. I’m tryna get everything done in a year so things that go together have been preferable but age related sagging at 20/21 is horrifying.

 

[Jgns]

Whatre the drawbacks of a midface lift tho and i truly appreciate the indepth answer

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Fat+EZGEL+Lasers+HA are like the best bet it fix undereye. Yes they are obviously not as good as just having bone, but god hated you or smthg.

 

[lurking truecel]

Damn that’s horrifying holy shit. My undereye have always been pretty bad but damn if this is this is a sideffect i might have to rethink it then. I’m tryna get everything done in a year so things that go together have been preferable but age related sagging at 20/21 is horrifying.

I mean he doesnt exactly know what he is talking about, i have seen people get infras and dont have any issues, saiyan is a obv example. His reasoning on why sagging and stuff happens is guesstimates. My midface issues are the same as before i did anything. But they are a little more obv because the implant does make only one area better which is the reason it becomes a bit more evident in comparison. If one does well designed implant at younger age it would work perfectly fine without any facelifts etc. I think the sagging theories is a bit of a myth from people who got surprised that the implant itself didnt solve anything and also that some people have the myth in the head that a implant should stretch skin etc

 

[Jgns]

I mean he doesnt exactly know what he is talking about, i have seen people get infras and dont have any issues, saiyan is a obv example. His reasoning on why sagging and stuff happens is guesstimates. My midface issues are the same as before i did anything. But they are a little more obv because the implant does make only one area better which is the reason it becomes a bit more evident in comparison. If one does well designed implant at younger age it would work perfectly fine without any facelifts etc. I think the sagging theories is a bit of a myth from people who got surprised that the implant itself didnt solve anything and also that some people have the myth in the head that a implant should stretch skin etc

Hmm makes sense i mean i can see the stretched skin bot being too much of an issue cause volume is being filled and aslong as it isnt a bad implant(which I’m not sure how often they get replaced due to dissatisfaction) then ig it should be ok. Now the designer sourcing part is going to be an issue maybe, gt to a bit of research

 

[lurking truecel]

Hmm makes sense i mean i can see the stretched skin bot being too much of an issue cause volume is being filled and aslong as it isnt a bad implant(which I’m not sure how often they get replaced due to dissatisfaction) then ig it should be ok. Now the designer sourcing part is going to be an issue maybe, gt to a bit of research

I mean the skin doesnt get stretched that much is what i am saying depening on skin. But yea a good design is whats important, this midface sagging stuff is a bit of a schizo run. Its like the same that rhino often can make the nose more bulbous for some people who are prone to scar formation etc. Its allways so case dependendant

 

[Jgns]

I mean the skin doesnt get stretched that much is what i am saying depening on skin. But yea a good design is whats important, this midface sagging stuff is a bit of a schizo run. Its like the same that rhino often can make the nose more bulbous for some people who are prone to scar formation etc. Its allways so case dependendant

Yeahh makes sense, what happened to ur rhino thread btw it seemed interesting

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeahh makes sense, what happened to ur rhino thread btw it seemed interesting

I dont wanna do it before i do my revision rhino becausw i dont want to think about now lol. But also the midface thingy. its a reason why there are no examples on it online or photos. Its becausw its partly schizo ramblings and kinda not obv if its a thing or just bad design. Or bad genetics to start with

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I mean he doesnt exactly know what he is talking about, i have seen people get infras and dont have any issues, saiyan is a obv example. His reasoning on why sagging and stuff happens is guesstimates. My midface issues are the same as before i did anything. But they are a little more obv because the implant does make only one area better which is the reason it becomes a bit more evident in comparison. If one does well designed implant at younger age it would work perfectly fine without any facelifts etc. I think the sagging theories is a bit of a myth from people who got surprised that the implant itself didnt solve anything and also that some people have the myth in the head that a implant should stretch skin etc

ANYWAYS for you midface cucks, I did come across this.

Midface Lift - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

DNR but did skim a bit.

 

[lurking truecel]

ANYWAYS for you midface cucks, I did come across this.

Midface Lift - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

DNR but did skim a bit.

I mean a study on face lift or midfacelift ? Haha what am i gonna do with one study lol. I mean yea midface cucks but my midface kinda allways cucked, its not really worse now. And obv there is some reason many does infras and have zero problems. I think the sagging shit is myth to some degree.

 

[Jgns]

I dont wanna do it before i do my revision rhino becausw i dont want to think about now lol. But also the midface thingy. its a reason why there are no examples on it online or photos. Its becausw its partly schizo ramblings and kinda not obv if its a thing or just bad design. Or bad genetics to start with

Yeah no worries bro, hope ur thing goes perfectly. It might just be bro science, though imma look into every variable still just incase habibibibibi.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I mean a study on face lift or midfacelift ? Haha what am i gonna do with one study lol. I mean yea midface cucks but my midface kinda allways cucked, its not really worse now. And obv there is some reason many does infras and have zero problems. I think the sagging shit is myth to some degree

Obvi the sagging issue doesn't happen to everyone one, at any age. No where did I say it does.

Age related sagging thought, happens to everyone, regardless of implants. Implants exacerbate it by putting constant additional stress/tensions on the tissues and expanding the envelope. Does that mean literally no one should get it? No, I've never once claimed that. Not to mention if end up frank'd.

Idk why you constantly try to conceptualize my position to one, I've never claimed.

You literally wrote a thread how it happened to you, just accept already its a significant risk.

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah no worries bro, hope ur thing goes perfectly. It might just be bro science, though imma look into every variable still just incase habibibibibi.

I mean something is obv happening to a few select individuals. But many are giant patients also, so the design was prob over the top and placed by turkish surgeons who dont know what they are doing. And yes that someone talked to eppley about it but he prob said so, so he could sell a facelift to someone or another procedure because he wants the money. And also its only anecdotal evidence as eppley dont write about it at all on his page.

 

[lurking truecel]

Obvi the sagging issue doesn't happen to everyone one, at any age. No where did I say it does.

Age related sagging thought, happens to everyone, regardless of implants. Implants exacerbate it by putting constant additional stress/tensions on the tissues and expanding the envelope. Does that mean literally no one should get it? No, I've never once claimed that. Not to mention if end up frank'd.

Idk why you constantly try to conceptualize my position to one, I've never claimed.

You literally wrote a thread how it happened to you, just accept already its a significant risk.

You are talking about something and doing guestimates. Dont ever claim you know something which isnt facts. Your reasoning about it sucks ass, thats the part i dont like. I mean nothing happend to me more then what was there before.

I dont like people who do theories and claim something without stating it obvious that its your homemade explaination. The only thing you do is scare people who want to do it.

 

[Jgns]

I mean something is obv happening to a few select individuals. But many are giant patients also, so the design was prob over the top and placed by turkish surgeons who dont know what they are doing. And yes that someone talked to eppley about it but he prob said so, so he could sell a facelift to someone or another procedure because he wants the money. And also its only anecdotal evidence as eppley dont write about it at all on his page.

Yeah icl obv its in the name but giant’s implants have never really looked good to me tbh design wise. And agreed that does make sense. About turkish surgeons would u(or abyone else reading this thread) have any recommendations on surgeons in turkey that acc know what theyre doing if any (other than the GOAT celal jfl)

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah icl obv its in the name but giant’s implants have never really looked good to me tbh design wise. And agreed that does make sense. About turkish surgeons would u(or abyone else reading this thread) have any recommendations on surgeons in turkey that acc know what theyre doing if any (other than the GOAT celal jfl)

Prob a few diffrent ones, but many does every surgery in the book which makes me doubt how detailed and good they are at every single one. I allways recommend more specialised surgeons

 

[Jgns]

Prob a few diffrent ones, but many does every surgery in the book which makes me doubt how detailed and good they are at every single one. I allways recommend more specialised surgeons

Ive been looking into burak with another person here lol and he does seem promising. Though yeah specialisation is always the best tho I’m cucked by family i can’t really go anywhere else

 

[lurking truecel]

Ive been looking into burak with another person here lol and he does seem promising. Though yeah specialisation is always the best tho I’m cucked by family i can’t really go anywhere else

Depends what you gonna do exactly

 

[Jgns]

Depends what you gonna do exactly

A bsso fs but probably a bimax instead, with inframalar implants and looking to get a rhino for this fattass broken ethnic nose rn

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

You are talking about something and doing guestimates. Dont ever claim you know something which isnt facts. Your reasoning about it sucks ass, thats the part i dont like. I mean nothing happend to me more then what was there before.

I dont like people who do theories and claim something without stating it obvious that its your homemade explaination. The only thing you do is scare people who want to do it.

This is the wrong forum if you think we need annotated citations for everything we write. What I'm saying is also factually mathematically true, you add significant volume to an area that is EXPANSION. The body has a near ubiquitous reaction to expansion when tissues under tension, regardless of where it is. This is taken advantage of in countless number of surgical operations, but you act like you've never heard of it.

Tell me something when infra get removed what happens to the tissue, does it go back to base line before the implant? OR IS IT MASSIVELY DROOPY AND SAGGY AND NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX. Oh right it's been massively expanded.

What do you think happens breast implants are installed.... the tissue envelope expands.... again this is a near ubiquitous phenomena.

You ofc have no explanation for why facial implants on women or men are almost never done.... it's just a mystery.

Reality is you put my position into, ridiculous rewording is nothing but your own personal cope. It has absolutely nothing to do with rigor, you talk out of your ass just fine.


Here since your too retarded to understand that tissue expansion is a thing, here are some studies and how they refere to it.


"The phenomenon of tissue expansion is observed in nature all the time."

Tissue expansion: Concepts, techniques and unfavourable results - PMC

The phenomenon of tissue expansion is observed in nature all the time. The same properties of the human skin to stretch and expand and yield extra skin if placed under continuous stress over a prolonged period of time has been utilised for ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The principle of tissue expansion"

Tissue Expanders in Reconstruction of Maxillofacial Defects - PMC

Tissue expansion in its natural ways had fascinated man from prehistoric times itself. But tissue expansion for medical purposes was first tried and reported only in the early half of twentieth century. Presently the principle of tissue expansion is ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

When something is deemed a phenomenon or principle by a filed, you actually are not required to prove it exists. Since only a mouth breathing recessed retarded would dare to claim; without any fucking citations, completely out of his ass, otherwise.

 

[Jgns]

This is the wrong forum if you think we need annotated citations for everything we write. What I'm saying is also factually mathematically true, you add significant volume to an area that is EXPANSION. The body has a near ubiquitous reaction to expansion when tissues under tension, regardless of where it is. This is taken advantage of in countless number of surgical operations, but you act like you've never heard of it.

Tell me something when infra get removed what happens to the tissue, does it go back to base line before the implant? OR IS IT MASSIVELY DROOPY AND SAGGY AND NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX. Oh right it's been massively expanded.

What do you think happens breast implants are installed.... the tissue envelope expands.... again this is a near ubiquitous phenomena.

You ofc have no explanation for why facial implants on women or men are almost never done.... it's just a mystery.

Reality is you put my position into, ridiculous rewording is nothing but your own personal cope. It has absolutely nothing to do with rigor, you talk out of your ass just fine.

Fatt tits

 

[lurking truecel]

This is the wrong forum if you think we need annotated citations for everything we write. What I'm saying is also factually mathematically true, you add significant volume to an area that is EXPANSION. The body has a near ubiquitous reaction to expansion when tissues under tension, regardless of where it is. This is taken advantage of in countless number of surgical operations, but you act like you've never heard of it.

Tell me something when infra get removed what happens to the tissue, does it go back to base line before the implant? OR IS IT MASSIVELY DROOPY AND SAGGY AND NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX. Oh right it's been massively expanded.

What do you think happens breast implants are installed.... the tissue envelope expands.... again this is a near ubiquitous phenomena.

You ofc have no explanation for why facial implants on women or men are almost never done.... it's just a mystery.

Reality is you put my position into, ridiculous rewording is nothing but your own personal cope. It has absolutely nothing to do with rigor, you talk out of your ass just fine.


Here since your too retarded to understand that tissue expansion is a thing, here are some studies and how they refere to it.


"The phenomenon of tissue expansion is observed in nature all the time."

Tissue expansion: Concepts, techniques and unfavourable results - PMC

The phenomenon of tissue expansion is observed in nature all the time. The same properties of the human skin to stretch and expand and yield extra skin if placed under continuous stress over a prolonged period of time has been utilised for ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The principle of tissue expansion"

Tissue Expanders in Reconstruction of Maxillofacial Defects - PMC

Tissue expansion in its natural ways had fascinated man from prehistoric times itself. But tissue expansion for medical purposes was first tried and reported only in the early half of twentieth century. Presently the principle of tissue expansion is ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

When something is deemed a phenomenon or principle by a filed, you actually are not required to prove it exists. Since only a mouth breathing recessed retarded would dare to claim; without any fucking citations, completely out of his ass, otherwise.

I Never said anything about tissue expansion, but it doesnt relate to what you talking about. And infra orbital implants are commonly done everywhere. What are you talking about, saddle infra orbital implants are rare but normal ones is not rare at all. Again you link worthless studies and say stupid shit.

Your theories are bad, @chrishell who is the orginal guy who talkes about it this atleast has substance in his explainations but youre theories are just lacking hardcore

 

[Foreverbrad]

I doubt having infra implants at 33 would be a good choice for me. Probably the older you get more the calculus swings in favour of fillers.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

I doubt having infra implants at 33 would be a good choice for me. Probably the older you get more the calculus swings in favour of fillers.

Why focus on age? If i remember your face correctly you dont look 33 so you could just keep slaying while being older

 

[lurking truecel]

I doubt having infra implants at 33 would be a good choice for me. Probably the older you get more the calculus swings in favour of fillers.

Could be worth for anti aging purposes if done correclty

 

[Foreverbrad]

Why focus on age? If i remember your face correctly you dont look 33 so you could just keep slaying while being older

The skin laxity effects from dissection could be very bad at this age.
My face does not really support large infra augmentation. Fat grafting to fill the hollows and maybe a 1ml of filler for cheekbone

Could be worth for anti aging purposes if done correclty

Since I’m getting fat grafting before my Trimax now, I’ll be able to assess whether it’s enough on its own or with a little fillers.

If it’s really not enough I can still add infras during the Trimax. At the end of the day though, my income is so low that money saved can outweigh some marginal aesthetic gains.

As long as I wipe out my real failos (bug eyes, class2div2 recession) I should be gtg with my height and physique I don’t need to chase every last 1%

 

[lurking truecel]

The skin laxity effects from dissection could be very bad at this age.
My face does not really support large infra augmentation. Fat grafting to fill the hollows and maybe a 1ml of filler for cheekbone



Since I’m getting fat grafting before my Trimax now, I’ll be able to assess whether it’s enough on its own or with a little fillers.

If it’s really not enough I can still add infras during the Trimax. At the end of the day though, my income is so low that money saved can outweigh some marginal aesthetic gains.

As long as I wipe out my real failos (bug eyes, class2div2 recession) I should be gtg with my height and physique I don’t need to chase every last 1%

Sounds good

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

I’ve got a few more surgeries planned, and eventually filler for minor touch ups.

Im also a bit worried about myself going down the slippery slope of plastic surgery…

What you wanna get done still atm

 

[tweaqo]

What you wanna get done still atm

I’ve booked revision buccal fat removal for May this year. If it isn’t enough for a lean face im gonna do DIY aqualyx and UC.

Then im gonna get either LJS + genio or Mini chin wing or something like that, this surgery will be combined with a neck liposuction.

Also considering Otoplasty, and some other RF stuff maybe CO2 laser or something too.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

i need face lift after i got bimax? i feel like bimax itself is a face lift but i believe you were mainly referring to the implants which i understand, bimax made my face so much leaner.

one thing that is worse though is that my neck/jawline area is less defined. do i need a neck lift or something for that?