Fuck Jesus Christ, Fuck Allah and all the other gods

[Deleted member 6128]

mfw you need to have divine powers to talk shit
Is this the famed atheistcel IQ in action?

I’m not an atheist don’t presume stuff

 

[Zygos4Life]

"Atheism is just a denial of theism, we don't have to prove anything." This does not excuse your average atheist from spewing copy/paste "religion is a lie" rants (ironically, stating religion is a lie is a claim, and thus needs evidence).

There's a reason why court uses "Innocent until proven guilty", since burden of proof is important
If a woman made the claim that a man raped her, then the evidence/proof must be provided for her claim. Until then, he's innocent. I think we both can agree that this is the best system to use.

But like I said, Why don't you prove to me that Zeus doesn't exist?

If I said that Santa Claus doesn't exist, does the burden go onto me to prove that he doesn't exist?

The one who made the original claim of something's existence is the one for whom the burden of proof is on.

Me saying "God doesn't exist" is a conclusion that I drew from the lack of evidence for the original claim of God.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

There's a reason why court uses "Innocent until proven guilty", since burden of proof is important
If a woman made the claim that a man raped her, then the evidence/proof must be provided for her claim. Until then, he's innocent. I think we both can agree that this is the best system to use.

But like I said, Why don't you prove to me that Zeus doesn't exist?

If I said that Santa Claus doesn't exist, does the burden go onto me to prove that he doesn't exist?

The one who made the original claim of something's existence is the one for whom the burden of proof is on.

Me saying "God doesn't exist" is a conclusion that I drew from the lack of evidence for the original claim of God.

Well I made the conclusion that God exists since there is evidence of his existence

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Religion is a central part of the human experience, people dont read the bible and think “wow, this makes perfect sense and lines up with all of the science, I believe this is true now”, its something completely unique and has nothing to do with science or understanding how the natural world really operates.

Its something that can bring people together and tell them moral lessons and stories, and give them something to think about the world beyond just the science, which is the verifiable truth, but because its so obvious and plain, its not very interesting to a lot of people.

There is something very attractive about religious ideas and their ability to make people feel like they are a part of something great, and to come together with their friends and family and talk about the stories and the lessons in the bible or the quran or whatever religious book they subscribe to.

Obviously, there is no evidence for any supernatural deity, just like there is no evidence that women are great and care about your personality, but people believe it no matter what evidence they are presented with because they like how it makes them view and interact with the world around them.

Its just pointless to say to someone that there is no evidence and explain to them all the logical inconsistencies in a religious book, because they havent examined it and accepted it because it lines up with the science. Its something totally different and people dont look at it like they look at the science

 

[Zygos4Life]

Well I made the conclusion that God exists since there is evidence of his existence

What evidence is there?
From what I know there isn't any.

 

[Deleted member 7465]

Atheists are retards lmao. How can they say God doesn't extist when there is more evidence that he does than doesn't. Furthermore by saying God doesn't exist you are still putting your faith in the unproven because no one knows what happens after death so being an atheist doesn't make you any better than a believer because you are still believing in the UNPROVEN by saying God doesn't exist because no one has came back from the dead to tell us what happens excluding one person.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

What evidence is there?
From what I know there isn't any.

Baryon Asymmetry

 

[Zygos4Life]

Baryon Asymmetry

How does Baryon Asymmetry prove that there is a God?

 

[stuckneworleans]

Atheists are retards lmao. How can they say God doesn't extist when there is more evidence that he does than doesn't. Furthermore by saying God doesn't exist you are still putting your faith in the unproven because no one knows what happens after death so being an atheist doesn't make you any better than a believer because you are still believing in the UNPROVEN by saying God doesn't exist because no one has came back from the dead to tell us what happens excluding one person.

Agreed, Atheism is the stupidest stance on the God question, Agnosticism makes more sense but at the end of the day that's just a lazy position

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

How does Baryon Asymmetry prove that there is a God?

Neither the standard model of particle physics, nor the theory of general relativity provides a known explanation for why this should be so, and it is a natural assumption that the universe is neutral with all conserved charges.[3] The Big Bang should have produced equal amounts of matter and antimatter. Since this does not seem to have been the case, it is likely some physical laws must have acted differently or did not exist for matter and antimatter. However, there is as of yet no consensus theory to explain the phenomenon. As remarked in a 2012 research paper, "The origin of matter remains one of the great mysteries in physics."[4]

 

[Deleted member 5859]

Yes

 

[Zyros]

I don't know if its against the rules to post threads, mods just remove it if it is.

https://looksmax.org/threads/debunk...od-vs-evil-or-world-justice-arguments.165068/

 

[Zygos4Life]

Neither the standard model of particle physics, nor the theory of general relativity provides a known explanation for why this should be so, and it is a natural assumption that the universe is neutral with all conserved charges.[3] The Big Bang should have produced equal amounts of matter and antimatter. Since this does not seem to have been the case, it is likely some physical laws must have acted differently or did not exist for matter and antimatter. However, there is as of yet no consensus theory to explain the phenomenon. As remarked in a 2012 research paper, "The origin of matter remains one of the great mysteries in physics."[4]

That doesn't prove that God exists, it just proves that our current scientific models can't explain it.
Theres been many times in history where scientific models at the time couldn't explain something else.
For example: Newton's Laws of Motion can't be used for really fast objects near speed of light or for really small particles.
That's when Relativity came in and Quantum Physics to explain them respectively.
Did this mean that it was because of God just because the scientific models at the time couldn't fit them? No.

Just because our current scientific models can't explain something, doesn't mean it was because of God.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

That doesn't prove that God exists, it just proves that our current scientific models can't explain it.
Theres been many times in history where scientific models at the time couldn't explain something else.
For example: Newton's Laws of Motion can't be used for really fast objects near speed of light or for really small particles.
That's when Relativity came in and Quantum Physics to explain them respectively.
Did this mean that it was because of God just because the scientific models at the time couldn't fit them? No.

Just because our current scientific models can't explain something, doesn't mean it was because of God.

There is no cosmological model that fixes this problem without God. Also here we are, in the 21st century with 1000s of scientists across the world with some of the most advanced technology and yet it still remains a mystery. There is a possibility that this is caused by a higher being however that is my personal opinion

 

[Zygos4Life]

There is no cosmological model that fixes this problem without God. Also here we are, in the 21st century with 1000s of scientists across the world with some of the most advanced technology and yet it still remains a mystery. There is a possibility that this is caused by a higher being however that is my personal opinion

"There is no cosmological model that fixes this problem without God"
There is no cosmological model CURRENTLY to explain it, doesn't mean that there can't be one. We just don't know the cause of it as of now, heck we might not ever find out.
Just because we don't know, it doesn't mean that it's because of a higher being.
That itself isn't proof that God exists.
People used to attribute Lightning to Zeus (a higher being) in Ancient Greece because they didn't know what caused lightning. There weren't any scientific models at the time to show how lightning was formed.
We now know how lightning is formed. Their lack of scientific models and knowledge of lightning caused them to explain it through a higher being. And they turned out to be wrong.

So just because we don't have any scientific models currently or lack knowledge of something in our universe, it doesn't mean that it's because of a higher being. Not saying it can't be, but I'm saying that it doesn't mean it, and it isn't proof that it's due to a higher being.

So just because we don't have any scientific models currently/ lack knowledge of what caused the Baryon Assymetry, doesn't mean that God caused it, since that's the logic you're using to prove that God exists.

And also there's many things in science that we probably won't ever get answers to.
Sure there's 1000s of scientists with advanced technology, but that doesn't mean that we will get all the answers of the universe.
There's just many things that we don't know

 

[Leforrt3000]

You idiot, there is a difference between Yahweh/Allah and a potential creator.
Saying that's mean that there is a potential creator but that's doesn't mean that your Yahweh/Allah exist at all. Why we didn't hear of him before the creation of Canaanite religions, etc...
He was created by human.
Actually, we don't even claim that we came from nothing, we just don't know.
And we don't have evidence for the existence of a creator or higher "being".
What you are doing is a strawman claim.
Show me the evidence for the claim of that God's existence not Yahweh/Allah.

Lol, the religion of YHWH came about around 1500 BC, and He says in the Bible that He was known by a different name earlier on. Regardless, theres only like the Sumerian god stories that date to an earlier time period as far as stories on deities are concerned. Maybe Hindu stuff as well, but Idk if thats even properly proven. Also maybe the Egyptian stuff also which is slightly earlier.

 

[Leforrt3000]

Also, if people's hangups on here is on the concept of an everlasting torment in Hell, this is disproven by a large amount of Biblical evidence. Theres only one verse that causes a hangup:

Rethinking Hell | Exploring Evangelical Conditionalism (Annihilationism)

The place to explore Evangelical Conditionalism (Conditional Immortality), also known as Annihilationism

rethinkinghell.com

 

[BrendioEEE]

 

[BrendioEEE]

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Allah/Yahweh is real but he's evil and actually satan, pretending to be the true god. The real god is unknowable.

How else do you explain the state of the world? Atheism is the only other logical option.
It's really bad luck in that case the world turned out like this but also winning the lottery is incredibly improbable, still often someone wins it.

This reality is like winning the lottery but the other way around.

 

[Alexanderr]

JFL at all the low IQ religion copers in this thread.
Religion is and always has been a coping mechanism.

 

[Alexanderr]

Except you cannot prove God doesn’t exist

And you can prove he exists?

 

[Leforrt3000]

Allah/Yahweh is real but he's evil and actually satan, pretending to be the true god. The real god is unknowable.

How else do you explain the state of the world? Atheism is the only other logical option.
It's really bad luck in that case the world turned out like this but also winning the lottery is incredibly improbable, still often someone wins it.

This reality is like winning the lottery but the other way around.

Gnostic satanist, might want to provide atleast some proof for that blasphemy if you have any.
Also, its hilarious that you say that, when Jesus's teachings would lead to a much more egalitarian society where women aren't allowed to be whores. And Jesus was pro OT religion.

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Gnostic satanist, might want to provide atleast some proof for that blasphemy if you have any.
Also, its hilarious that you say that, when Jesus's teachings would lead to a much more egalitarian society where women aren't allowed to be whores. And Jesus was pro OT religion.

Jesus is a different god/being than Yahweh.
The trap in all mainstream religion which is an unified force for spiritual incarceration is that they all claim that it's our own fault the world is in a bad state when in reality the world makes us suffer by design and all kinds of sins are necessary to help ourselves survive and thrive and we get punished for what we have to do.

The punishment is endless reincarnation that can't be escaped by any other means than complete submission to the creator god's will, becoming one with him.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

The bible is a fantasy book basically.

I've never cringed harder in my life.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

I mean the Bible, Quran, etc... Isn't a evidence for the existence of your God.

you're a very retarded person. I've read almost all of your pathetic little fits in this thread. I wish I never did.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

And you can prove he exists?

This statement isn't an argument, because you can't disprove the existence of God nor 'prove' the existence of God.

 

[Alexanderr]

This statement isn't an argument, because you can't disprove the existence of God nor 'prove' the existence of God.

I am aware, my post was to point out the irony of his comment, which is that we can’t disprove God’s existence but neither can he prove it.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

I am aware, my post was to point out the irony of his comment, which is that we can’t disprove God’s existence but neither can he prove it.

right, sorry, didn't read the quote, my bad.

 

[Truecel14]

I don't understand how theists think that their god is right? What about persian, greek, egytpian etc.

 

[Leforrt3000]

Jesus is a different god/being than Yahweh.
The trap in all mainstream religion which is an unified force for spiritual incarceration is that they all claim that it's our own fault the world is in a bad state when in reality the world makes us suffer by design and all kinds of sins are necessary to help ourselves survive and thrive and we get punished for what we have to do.

The punishment is endless reincarnation that can't be escaped by any other means than complete submission to the creator god's will, becoming one with him.

Thats not proof. What religion is that from?
The Bible claims that its generational sin from Adam/Eve, but theres also the element of God causing civilization wide plagues/destruction due sin, as well as generational sin causing curses, as well as repercussion for ones own sin (obviously). But it also teaches mercy and charity for the poor.

Lol, what sins are necessary for survival? If you know the sins of the Bible, none of them are necessary for survival except basically stealing if you're super poor.
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Also, you calim Jesus is different than the OT God. This is Marcionite teaching. The early church Fathers, and the Didache, as well as the Gospels deny this.

 

[Ritalincell]

I've never cringed harder in my life.

Dude people took the bible literally a few hundreds years ago. When people became more intelligent religion copers said that we should not take the bible literally. Some person wrote that shit down that god made the world in 7 days jfl

 

[Deleted member 2756]

Dude people took the bible literally a few hundreds years ago. When people became more intelligent religion copers said that we should not take the bible literally. Some person wrote that shit down that god made the world in 7 days jfl

there is a multitude of legitimate historical figures within the bible. It is the foundation for a large portion of western culture, western philosophy, and literature. To generalize the entire bible as a 'fantasy book' is straight-up ridiculous.

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Thats not proof. What religion is that from?
The Bible claims that its generational sin from Adam/Eve, but theres also the element of God causing civilization wide plagues/destruction due sin, as well as generational sin causing curses, as well as repercussion for ones own sin (obviously). But it also teaches mercy and charity for the poor.

Lol, what sins are necessary for survival? If you know the sins of the Bible, none of them are necessary for survival except basically stealing if you're super poor.
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Also, you calim Jesus is different than the OT God. This is Marcionite teaching. The early church Fathers, and the Didache, as well as the Gospels deny this.

We' re talking religion here, not science. What i speak is based on personal experience and some gnostic books.
I was raised christian but things changed.

If you want scientific proof we have to talk about something scientific, not about the subjective experience of reality.
And what god would make his reality disprovable by his own science?

The world is designed in a way that you always have to eat another living thing to survive. And always someone has something someone else doesn't which causes conflict and war.
People mass murder animals for their own pleasure and this is considered normal.

The economy is based on a few benefiting from the work of many while the people doing the actual work get scraps.

Even if you succeed you're going to get diseases and die and get born again as someone who probably doesn't succeed.
Most people in the world are poor.

No good being designs a world like this.

 

[Leforrt3000]

We' re talking religion here, not science. What i speak is based on personal experience and some gnostic books.
I was raised christian but things changed.

If you want scientific proof we have to talk about something scientific, not about the subjective experience of reality.
And what god would make his reality disprovable by his own science?

The world is designed in a way that you always have to eat another living thing to survive. And always someone has something someone else doesn't which causes conflict and war.
People mass murder animals for their own pleasure and this is considered normal.

The economy is based on a few benefiting from the work of many while the people doing the actual work get scraps.

Even if you succeed you're going to get diseases and die and get born again as someone who probably doesn't succeed.
Most people in the world are poor.

No good being designs a world like this.

Personal experience is extremely subjective and is not good evidence for the truth.

Gnosticism its based off occultism iirc as can be shown by that whole bit about Sophia and whatever else. Either way, you're goal should be to prove that Jesus was a Gnostic, if you want to venerate Jesus at all and hold him to a Salvation esque standard (as a prophet/Messiah/guiding light). Not sure how to quickly describe it. You're not gonna be successful though.

Reality is only as disprovable by science as by what we have been fed by the scientific establishment. We are in an era where the science has to point to an atheistic conclusion by always being looked at through an atheistic lens.

Animals Idk, Idk what happens to them after they die, nor do I know if they are actually sentient or arent just walking npcs essentially.

Our modern day society has extreme hypergamy, but it also has luxury via electronic gadgets. Give and take. Poor societies have much less hypergamy thankfully. Rich man lazarus parable has a pro poor view of how people get treated btw.

Perhaps the overall poorest in society get treated like that parable, or they're just essentially npc's.

Reincarnation is not proven whatsoever.

You should realize what the Fear of God is and repent, because you're a blasphemer atm.

 

[Leforrt3000]

No good being designs a world like this.

You should realize that it comes down to belief, and who you put your belief in, and what evidence you are open to hearing, and risk vs reward.

 

[EckhartTollemaxx]

Personal experience is extremely subjective and is not good evidence for the truth.

Gnosticism its based off occultism iirc as can be shown by that whole bit about Sophia and whatever else. Either way, you're goal should be to prove that Jesus was a Gnostic, if you want to venerate Jesus at all and hold him to a Salvation esque standard (as a prophet/Messiah/guiding light). Not sure how to quickly describe it. You're not gonna be successful though.

Reality is only as disprovable by science as by what we have been fed by the scientific establishment. We are in an era where the science has to point to an atheistic conclusion by always being looked at through an atheistic lens.

Animals Idk, Idk what happens to them after they die, nor do I know if they are actually sentient or arent just walking npcs essentially.

Our modern day society has extreme hypergamy, but it also has luxury via electronic gadgets. Give and take. Poor societies have much less hypergamy thankfully. Rich man lazarus parable has a pro poor view of how people get treated btw.

Perhaps the overall poorest in society get treated like that parable, or they're just essentially npc's.

Reincarnation is not proven whatsoever.

You should realize what the Fear of God is and repent, because you're a blasphemer atm.

Yup im absolutely blasphemous but it's because of what god did to me. I'm not 100% sure of the role of Jesus in this universe as most sources about him are corrupted over time.
I have personally experienced things that prove to me god cannot be a good being, and atheism is also a good explanation for that.

 

[BrendioEEE]

Allah/Yahweh is real but he's evil and actually satan, pretending to be the true god. The real god is unknowable.

How else do you explain the state of the world?

The Bible says Satan is the king of this world, if God was so bad why are the Jewish elites who run this world so against him and push so hard against Christianity?

 

[Ritalincell]

The Bible says Satan is the king of this world, if God was so bad why are the Jewish elites who run this world so against him and push so hard against Christianity?

Do jews not believe in god?

 

[balding17yomanletcel]

atheist nibbas really be do writing essays

 

[BrendioEEE]

Do jews not believe in god?

They believe in certain "gods" alright, at least the true fundamentalists of the religion at the highest levels.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

you're a very retarded person. I've read almost all of your pathetic little fits in this thread. I wish I never did.

"YoU'rE a VeRy ReTaRdEd PeRsON."
That's what an low iq person, say when they don't have any arguments they insult and don't even why they insult.
Bitch, i intellectually mog the living shit out of you

 

[Deleted member 8365]

Except you cannot prove God doesn’t exist

No shit, we can't disprove a negative
Learn to fucking read, like i have said earlier there is a difference between a potential God who created this universe and Yahweh/Allah.
One doesn't exist (Yahweh /Allah) and the other we don't know.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

No shit, we can't disprove a negative
Learn to fucking read, like i have said earlier there is a difference between a potential God who created this universe and Yahweh/Allah.
One doesn't exist (Yahweh /Allah) and the other we don't know.

Claiming that it is impossible to prove a negative is a pseudologic, because there are many proofs that substantiate negative claims in mathematics, science, and economics, including Arrow's impossibility theorem. There can be multiple claims within a debate.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

there is a multitude of legitimate historical figures within the bible. It is the foundation for a large portion of western culture, western philosophy, and literature. To generalize the entire bible as a 'fantasy book' is straight-up ridiculous.

There's historical figures in it but most stories are fantasies.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

Claiming that it is impossible to prove a negative is a pseudologic, because there are many proofs that substantiate negative claims in mathematics, science, and economics, including Arrow's impossibility theorem. There can be multiple claims within a debate.

What i'm trying to say, it's that i can't prove to you if there isn't a god, like you can't prove to me there's a God.
People who claim that's their God exist, should come with proofs and evidence.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

What i'm trying to say, it's that i can't prove to you if there isn't a god, like you can't prove to me there's a God.
People who claim that's their God exist, should come with proofs and evidence.

Alright then, this thread has already reached FUCKING 8 PAGES. I see your point of view and I respect your opinion and i've got my own. It's okay to disagree and a friendly debate is okay. It was good speaking to you man

 

[Deleted member 8365]

Alright then, this thread has already reached FUCKING 8 PAGES. I see your point of view and I respect your opinion and i've got my own. It's okay to disagree and a friendly debate is okay. It was good speaking to you man

No problem, i respect your opinion too.
And i can understand

 

[Deleted member 2756]

"YoU'rE a VeRy ReTaRdEd PeRsON."
That's what an low iq person, say when they don't have any arguments they insult and don't even why they insult.
Bitch, i intellectually mog the living shit out of you

>I intellectually mog the living shit out of you

 

[Ritalincell]

>I intellectually mog the living shit out of you

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