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Clen:
Supposed effects -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-cardiotoxicity, worsened blood markers plus BP and heartrate issues
-cramping and headaches
-2 pounds of lean tissue at 80mcg for 2 weeks in a controlled study w/o resistance training or high protein
-anti catabolism
-increased metabolism
-hunger suppression
-vasodilation
-bronchodilation
-anxiety, racing thoughts
-2 weeks on average before beta 2 adrenergic receptor reaching high tolerance
50mcg 2 weeks for a recomp/minibulk. solo:
Pros--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-first 3 days were nice, extreme stim effects that lasted the full day(shaking hands, fight or flight sensation 24/7) comparable to 1000mg of caffeine
-mental energy was nice.
-more vascularity, slightly more reps, however not really powerful effects(in a recomp/minibulk, haven't tried it for a cut yet.)
-increased metabolism
-better pumps
-looking a bit bigger while pushing calories high, roughly a 500kcal surplus, ~250kcal after clen metabolism resulting in a total gain of 3 lbs(not all lean, some glycogen fs)
-no anxiety
Cons--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-elevated baseline heartrate(possibly BP too but no bp cuff) + more exhausted after working out. Lots of sweating on even colder days.
-stim effect either became baseline to the point of being mostly unnoticeable or just weakened after 3 days.
-worsened cardio.
-roughly 1 cramp daily and no headaches(when supplemented with 6g taurine, could be worse otherwise)
-slightly worse/fragmented sleep
-no change in appetite
-sore muscles, not painfully so but potential recovery issues training 6x/week (could also just be electrolyte/amino acid drain.)
-harder workouts
-light GI distress
Closing thoughts--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Loved the look it gave me, the vascularity and size were visible. I'd describe the look i got as if i gained 2 lbs of muscle and lost 2lbs of fat(because of the vascularity), so like 2-3 months of progress in 2 weeks. Overall 9/10(losing a point because you can only run it for 2 weeks and might cause heart issues). I want to try this for a cut as well, seeing as its anticatabolic and increases base metabolism. Recommend this to anyone without preexisting heart issues that wants to get a slight improvement before going shirtless at a party or on an instagram photoshoot. Its still not a steroid and wont cause significant muscle gain, people wont look at you and notice that you look different, unless they see you shirtless every day. Coming off of it I lost the vascularity the very next day. Also before you chuds say "just roid" I don't plan on trt for life so I'm doing max 3 cycles so I don't nuke my htpa. The reason I ran it in a surplus is because I'm already a framelet. That one singular study(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40946331/) is the reason I decided to do this stuff, wanna save my real cycles for when I can handle it better(bloodwork and ancils)
Recommendations on planning---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Structure it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks of style so you can fully resensitize
-Don't take this with other stims, even something like caffiene should be avoided
-Avoid both vasoconstrictors and vasodilators. Both might cause bad BP interactions.
-When structuring for a cut, increase deficit/decrease kcal's.
-Supplement with taurine 6g to avoid cramps and headaches.
-Lower total workout volume, this compound makes working out mentally painful. A single 10 rep set has you panting, very hard to reach muscular failure. I had to go from 30 daily sets 6x week to 19 daily sets.
-Since there is some anabolism at play here if you take it in a surplus, up your protein(1.2-1.3g/lb).
Supposed effects -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-cardiotoxicity, worsened blood markers plus BP and heartrate issues
-cramping and headaches
-2 pounds of lean tissue at 80mcg for 2 weeks in a controlled study w/o resistance training or high protein
-anti catabolism
-increased metabolism
-hunger suppression
-vasodilation
-bronchodilation
-anxiety, racing thoughts
-2 weeks on average before beta 2 adrenergic receptor reaching high tolerance
50mcg 2 weeks for a recomp/minibulk. solo:
Pros--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-first 3 days were nice, extreme stim effects that lasted the full day(shaking hands, fight or flight sensation 24/7) comparable to 1000mg of caffeine
-mental energy was nice.
-more vascularity, slightly more reps, however not really powerful effects(in a recomp/minibulk, haven't tried it for a cut yet.)
-increased metabolism
-better pumps
-looking a bit bigger while pushing calories high, roughly a 500kcal surplus, ~250kcal after clen metabolism resulting in a total gain of 3 lbs(not all lean, some glycogen fs)
-no anxiety
Cons--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-elevated baseline heartrate(possibly BP too but no bp cuff) + more exhausted after working out. Lots of sweating on even colder days.
-stim effect either became baseline to the point of being mostly unnoticeable or just weakened after 3 days.
-worsened cardio.
-roughly 1 cramp daily and no headaches(when supplemented with 6g taurine, could be worse otherwise)
-slightly worse/fragmented sleep
-no change in appetite
-sore muscles, not painfully so but potential recovery issues training 6x/week (could also just be electrolyte/amino acid drain.)
-harder workouts
-light GI distress
Closing thoughts--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Loved the look it gave me, the vascularity and size were visible. I'd describe the look i got as if i gained 2 lbs of muscle and lost 2lbs of fat(because of the vascularity), so like 2-3 months of progress in 2 weeks. Overall 9/10(losing a point because you can only run it for 2 weeks and might cause heart issues). I want to try this for a cut as well, seeing as its anticatabolic and increases base metabolism. Recommend this to anyone without preexisting heart issues that wants to get a slight improvement before going shirtless at a party or on an instagram photoshoot. Its still not a steroid and wont cause significant muscle gain, people wont look at you and notice that you look different, unless they see you shirtless every day. Coming off of it I lost the vascularity the very next day. Also before you chuds say "just roid" I don't plan on trt for life so I'm doing max 3 cycles so I don't nuke my htpa. The reason I ran it in a surplus is because I'm already a framelet. That one singular study(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40946331/) is the reason I decided to do this stuff, wanna save my real cycles for when I can handle it better(bloodwork and ancils)
Recommendations on planning---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Structure it for 2 weeks on 2 weeks of style so you can fully resensitize
-Don't take this with other stims, even something like caffiene should be avoided
-Avoid both vasoconstrictors and vasodilators. Both might cause bad BP interactions.
-When structuring for a cut, increase deficit/decrease kcal's.
-Supplement with taurine 6g to avoid cramps and headaches.
-Lower total workout volume, this compound makes working out mentally painful. A single 10 rep set has you panting, very hard to reach muscular failure. I had to go from 30 daily sets 6x week to 19 daily sets.
-Since there is some anabolism at play here if you take it in a surplus, up your protein(1.2-1.3g/lb).
