FULL STACK 17yo 75kg 196cm

[andrejs]

ANABOLICS
Testosterone cypionate- 300mg/week- daily injections
Anavar- 20mg/day
HGH- 5IU/day

PEPTIDES
Retatrutide- 4mg/week
Glutathione- 400mg/day
Melanotan-1- 750mcg 2x/week
N-Acetyl Semax- 200mcg 2x/day
HCG- 250IU EOD- 2 months on/off

HAIR + EYES
Finasteride- 1mg/day
Minoxidil- 2.5mg/day
Brimonidine drops

SKIN
Isotretinoin- 30mg/day
Estriol cream
Azelaic acid
Tazarotene/Tretinoin- (after isotretinoin)

NOOTROPICS + INHIB
Modafinil- 200mg/day
Cerebrolysin- 5ml/day for 10 days
L-Theanine- 400mg/day
Ashwaghanda- 600mg/day
Pregabalin- as needed
Propranolol- as needed

BLOAT and BP
Eplerenone- 25mg/day
HCTZ- 12.5mg/day

ANCILLARIES - depending on bloodwork
Arimidex
Telmisartan
Rosuvastatin
Ezetimibe

SUPPLEMENTS
Melatonin- 1mg pre sleep
Caffeine- 200mg pre workout
D3- 5000 IU/day
K2- 100mcg/day
Omega-3- 1000mg/day
Creatine- 5g/day
Magnesium- 300mg/day
Glycine- 5g/day
Milk thistle- 750mg/day
TUDCA- 500mg/day
NAC- 1000mg/day

Give feedback and suggest improvements

 

[asterialol]

ANABOLICS
Testosterone cypionate- 300mg/week- daily injections
Anavar- 20mg/day
HGH- 5IU/day

Valid, but test is a bit low. Will likely produce underwhelming results.

PEPTIDES
Retatrutide- 4mg/week
Glutathione- 400mg/day
Melanotan-1- 750mcg 2x/week
N-Acetyl Semax- 200mcg 2x/day
HCG- 250IU EOD- 2 months on/off

Glutathione is better in liposomal form as the peptide has a half life of roughly 18 seconds jfl. Semax, sure if you really want to test it, but overall its utter cope. Much better stuff out. HCG is optional as going on gear warrants being on it for life/long term. If you plan on having kids, that's when you use PCT drugs like SERMs and HCG.

NOOTROPICS + INHIB
Modafinil- 200mg/day
Cerebrolysin- 5ml/day for 10 days
L-Theanine- 400mg/day
Ashwaghanda- 600mg/day
Pregabalin- as needed
Propranolol- as needed

Daily modafinil will probably demolish your circadian rythm. You can try it yourself, but anecdotally, it's more of an on-occasion drug. Ashwaganda is utter cope lol.

HAIR + EYES
Finasteride- 1mg/day
Minoxidil- 2.5mg/day
Brimonidine drops

SKIN
Isotretinoin- 30mg/day
Estriol cream
Azelaic acid
Tazarotene/Tretinoin- (after isotretinoin)

Swap finasteride for dutasteride and you're golden. <- Given you're done with puberty for both options

BLOAT and BP
Eplerenone- 25mg/day
HCTZ- 12.5mg/day

Likely not needed on such low doses, but Eplerenone alone should suffice for GH induced bloat.

ANCILLARIES - depending on bloodwork
Arimidex
Telmisartan
Rosuvastatin
Ezetimibe

Swap Arimidex for Aromasin. Less likely to nuke your estrogen. You will absolutely not need a statin or Ezetimibe lol. I would have Ezetimibe on hand, sure, but it's overkill for this cycle. I'd be more careful with GH induced insulin resistance. Consider Empagliflozin/Imeglmin if blood sugar levels call for it.

SUPPLEMENTS
Melatonin- 1mg pre sleep
Caffeine- 200mg pre workout
D3- 5000 IU/day
K2- 100mcg/day
Omega-3- 1000mg/day
Creatine- 5g/day
Magnesium- 300mg/day
Glycine- 5g/day
Milk thistle- 750mg/day
TUDCA- 500mg/day
NAC- 1000mg/day

Good.

 

[cyrillic]

ANABOLICS
Testosterone cypionate- 300mg/week- daily injections
Anavar- 20mg/day
HGH- 5IU/day

PEPTIDES
Retatrutide- 4mg/week
Glutathione- 400mg/day
Melanotan-1- 750mcg 2x/week
N-Acetyl Semax- 200mcg 2x/day
HCG- 250IU EOD- 2 months on/off

HAIR + EYES
Finasteride- 1mg/day
Minoxidil- 2.5mg/day
Brimonidine drops

SKIN
Isotretinoin- 30mg/day
Estriol cream
Azelaic acid
Tazarotene/Tretinoin- (after isotretinoin)

NOOTROPICS + INHIB
Modafinil- 200mg/day
Cerebrolysin- 5ml/day for 10 days
L-Theanine- 400mg/day
Ashwaghanda- 600mg/day
Pregabalin- as needed
Propranolol- as needed

BLOAT and BP
Eplerenone- 25mg/day
HCTZ- 12.5mg/day

ANCILLARIES - depending on bloodwork
Arimidex
Telmisartan
Rosuvastatin
Ezetimibe

SUPPLEMENTS
Melatonin- 1mg pre sleep
Caffeine- 200mg pre workout
D3- 5000 IU/day
K2- 100mcg/day
Omega-3- 1000mg/day
Creatine- 5g/day
Magnesium- 300mg/day
Glycine- 5g/day
Milk thistle- 750mg/day
TUDCA- 500mg/day
NAC- 1000mg/day

Give feedback and suggest improvements

Lowk drop da anabolics js train normal ur really tall and gl already it’s diminishing returns to rape ur health with a cycle js focus on skin n health tbh

 

[andrejs]

Lowk drop da anabolics js train normal ur really tall and gl already it’s diminishing returns to rape ur health with a cycle js focus on skin n health tbh

part of the reason im hopping on is cuz im tall, its super hard to build any size when ur limbs are giga long

 

[asterialol]

Lowk drop da anabolics js train normal ur really tall and gl already it’s diminishing returns to rape ur health with a cycle js focus on skin n health tbh

Training natty in 2026 is just bullshit. I have better health markers and bloodwork across every metric than most natties while BLASTING just shy of a gram of gear with GH and Insulin. Name one thing that is "raped" on cycle you can't unrape with being proactive, supplements or ancillaries.

 

[cyrillic]

part of the reason im hopping on is cuz im tall, its super hard to build any size when ur limbs are giga long

Obviously with respect to muscle but overall you’ve already got size in spades js don’t rape ur health for da future pct isn’t like fully repairing focus on natty shi at least for da time being odds are you haven’t been training for very long in any case

Play a sport too combat sports good Muay Thai kickboxing wrestling etc

 

[cyrillic]

Training natty in 2026 is just bullshit. I have better health markers and bloodwork across every metric than most natties while BLASTING just shy of a gram of gear with GH and Insulin. Name one thing that is "raped" on cycle you can't unrape with being proactive, supplements or ancillaries.

Collagen/youth indicators, hair, body’s ability with respect to natural hormonal support(pct ie hcg makes for rebound but not by any means a full one), propensity for facial bloat

 

[andrejs]

Collagen/youth indicators, hair, body’s ability with respect to natural hormonal support(pct ie hcg makes for rebound but not by any means a full one), propensity for facial bloat

a price worth paying

 

[asterialol]

Collagen/youth indicators, hair, body’s ability with respect to natural hormonal support(pct ie hcg makes for rebound but not by any means a full one), propensity for facial bloat

1. Don't blast grams of DHT derivatives which will ruin the "youthful" look.
2. Dutasteride to mitigate hairloss.
3. PCT recovers practically all men to near 100%, some fall short, marginally any do not recover.
4. Literally choose any diuretic or anti-fluid retention ancillary on the market.

Anything else?

 

[cyrillic]

a price worth paying

Not really bro perfect is da enemy of good in your case especially don’t ogre out for the sake of the thing especially since you haven’t even trained for any significant length of time

 

[cyrillic]

1. Don't blast grams of DHT derivatives which will ruin the "youthful" look.
2. Dutasteride to mitigate hairloss.
3. PCT recovers practically all men to near 100%, some fall short, marginally any do not recover.
4. Literally choose any diuretic or anti-fluid retention ancillary on the market.

Anything else?

1. In and of itself test makes for greater bone mass(not necessarily good bc of effects upon facial harmony) and a redder, more bloated face(ts is well documented look at any bodybuilding forum). Also test is synthesized into dht anyway so you can’t rid urself of the hormone wholly(not that you’d want to lol it’s mad important for sexual health libido etc).
2. Ur dick will stop working twn pack it real shi side effect rate is like 10 percent which is pretty significant because ts shi gets underreported nobody wants to say that their dick doesn’t work anonymous survey or not
3. Pct works for recovering to a medically “normal” range which starts at like 300 success is measured as such if you had like 700 t natty hopped on a cycle and then got off and now you have 300 imo you didn’t “recover”
4. You can’t do this jawn every day(you pin every day to avoid hormonal disbalance and associated acne)most common loop diuretic is like furosemide you’ll be hella dehydrated and miserable and you won’t be able to train to full potential(ur on gear whole point is muscle gain lol) it’s js not sustainable

 

[asterialol]

1. In and of itself test makes for greater bone mass(not necessarily good bc of effects upon facial harmony) and a redder, more bloated face(ts is well documented look at any bodybuilding forum). Also test is synthesized into dht anyway so you can’t rid urself of the hormone wholly(not that you’d want to lol it’s mad important for sexual health libido etc).
2. Ur dick will stop working twn pack it real shi side effect rate is like 10 percent which is pretty significant because ts shi gets underreported nobody wants to say that their dick doesn’t work anonymous survey or not
3. Pct works for recovering to a medically “normal” range which starts at like 300 success is measured as such if you had like 700 t natty hopped on a cycle and then got off and now you have 300 imo you didn’t “recover”
4. You can’t do this jawn every day(you pin every day to avoid hormonal disbalance and associated acne)most common loop diuretic is like furosemide you’ll be hella dehydrated and miserable and you won’t be able to train to full potential(ur on gear whole point is muscle gain lol) it’s js not sustainable

Holy fuck you're so uneducated it's insane. You're lucky I've got time unless I'd have DNR'd this.

1. Bone mass is a bullshit term. DNR this take. What the fuck are u talking about bone mass and facial harmony jesus christ. Redness in the face from test? You're smoking straight CRACK. Bloating is real in high doses and unmanaged estrogen levels which again, can be mitigated FULLY with ancillaries. DHT can be nuked with Dutasteride. It is the most useless hormone post-puberty. Please show me a source pointing to it being at all useful.

2. Your dick not stop working. It will stop developing. That's why you use it after puberty when penile development is fully over. Using it before is retardism. Dutasteride just inhibts the 2AR enzyme which is responsible for the test to DHT conversion. There is literally no side effects to it. Show me a source stating common side effects.

3. Untrue. PCT can recover anywhere from low normal ranges to high normal ranges. Also, yes you did recover, because the goal is NATURAL PRODUCTION. Test levels post-PCT vary a lot because of several factors such as length and amount of exposure to AAS, age and other health factors. Obviously if someone abused 19-nors all their life, their test might be low normal. It could also be high normal. Natural test also steeply declines after 30-35 which also plays a role here. "Low test" symptoms are more often than not just hormonal instability rather than the actual test value being the problem. Someone can have 300 test and be healthier than someone with 1000 because his hormones are balanced and stable.

4. And you AREN'T doing it every day. You're doing it until you fix the underlying problem. For example: test causes fluid retention via the ERa receptor, so proportionally high estrogen. You can use debloating meds until the estrogen gets balanced with other stuff like AIs or lower doses of test. I wasn't talking about loop diuretics you ape. Eplerenone and HCTZ are the holy grails for debloating on cycle. Them, you can run for ages without side effects.

Anything else? jf

 

[cyrillic]

Holy fuck you're so uneducated it's insane. You're lucky I've got time unless I'd have DNR'd this.

1. Bone mass is a bullshit term. DNR this take. What the fuck are u talking about bone mass and facial harmony jesus christ. Redness in the face from test? You're smoking straight CRACK. Bloating is real in high doses and unmanaged estrogen levels which again, can be mitigated FULLY with ancillaries. DHT can be nuked with Dutasteride. It is the most useless hormone post-puberty. Please show me a source pointing to it being at all useful.

2. Your dick not stop working. It will stop developing. That's why you use it after puberty when penile development is fully over. Using it before is retardism. Dutasteride just inhibts the 2AR enzyme which is responsible for the test to DHT conversion. There is literally no side effects to it. Show me a source stating common side effects.

3. Untrue. PCT can recover anywhere from low normal ranges to high normal ranges. Also, yes you did recover, because the goal is NATURAL PRODUCTION. Test levels post-PCT vary a lot because of several factors such as length and amount of exposure to AAS, age and other health factors. Obviously if someone abused 19-nors all their life, their test might be low normal. It could also be high normal. Natural test also steeply declines after 30-35 which also plays a role here. "Low test" symptoms are more often than not just hormonal instability rather than the actual test value being the problem. Someone can have 300 test and be healthier than someone with 1000 because his hormones are balanced and stable.

4. And you AREN'T doing it every day. You're doing it until you fix the underlying problem. For example: test causes fluid retention via the ERa receptor, so proportionally high estrogen. You can use debloating meds until the estrogen gets balanced with other stuff like AIs or lower doses of test. I wasn't talking about loop diuretics you ape. Eplerenone and HCTZ are the holy grails for debloating on cycle. Them, you can run for ages without side effects.

Anything else? jf

1. Ur lowk right I can’t lie I didn’t consider ancillaries.
2. Dutasteride is like known to often cause erectile dysfunction and loss of libido I’m not talking abt dick growth although op is 17 and could potentially still be in a stage of puberty where this would apply to him
3. Like YOU said recovery after pct is highly variable and that’s my point if I didn’t make it clear I’m js saying that medical studies that indicate it’s almost certain that you recover completely are in their methodology incorrect.
4. Ur right here too

Overall I think that gear in general isn’t necessary specifically in the case of op if anything it will make him miss out on social opportunities(have to pin every day, can’t travel with gear, can’t travel with friends)which are arguably more important in ur youth than raw looks are

 

[asterialol]

1. Ur lowk right I can’t lie I didn’t consider ancillaries.
2. Dutasteride is like known to often cause erectile dysfunction and loss of libido I’m not talking abt dick growth although op is 17 and could potentially still be in a stage of puberty where this would apply to him
3. Like YOU said recovery after pct is highly variable and that’s my point if I didn’t make it clear I’m js saying that medical studies that indicate it’s almost certain that you recover completely are in their methodology incorrect.
4. Ur right here too

Overall I think that gear in general isn’t necessary specifically in the case of op if anything it will make him miss out on social opportunities(have to pin every day, can’t travel with gear, can’t travel with friends)which are arguably more important in ur youth than raw looks are

Sexual side effects are shown in around 1% of cases which calls for speculating a different underlying problem rather than assuming its nuked DHT. I repeat myself and stand by it unless you prove me otherwise. DHT IS USELESS AFTER PUBERTY.

You do recover completely and their methodology is valid. Recovery = producing test and sperm naturally again, not producing the same exact testosterone levels as you did before steroids.

OP will not miss out on anything. Pinning daily takes max 2 minutes out of you’re day, unless you’re advanced and pin several compounds multiple times per day which is a separate division. You can freely travel with gear anywhere you go. TSA allows it. Personal experience.

Anything else? There is literally no reason not to run gear. I don’t mean everyone should blast grams of gear like me. I’m saying moderate doses of gear or just regular TRT+ is pretty much just optimising health.

 

[cyrillic]

Sexual side effects are shown in around 1% of cases which calls for speculating a different underlying problem rather than assuming its nuked DHT. I repeat myself and stand by it unless you prove me otherwise. DHT IS USELESS AFTER PUBERTY.

You do recover completely and their methodology is valid. Recovery = producing test and sperm naturally again, not producing the same exact testosterone levels as you did before steroids.

OP will not miss out on anything. Pinning daily takes max 2 minutes out of you’re day, unless you’re advanced and pin several compounds multiple times per day which is a separate division. You can freely travel with gear anywhere you go. TSA allows it. Personal experience.

Anything else? There is literally no reason not to run gear. I don’t mean everyone should blast grams of gear like me. I’m saying moderate doses of gear or just regular TRT+ is pretty much just optimising health.

It’s like 9 percent in studies but sure let’s assume it’s negligible(seriously it could affect op but the risk is low).

Ur definition of recovery is the same as that of war-era medicine ie if the man can walk and function in his job he’s good to go imo this is wrong in that this definition doesn’t account for “good” but instead only “adequate” function which health wise isn’t the goal obviously.

Nigga imagine ur staying in like a hotel with ur hbs and you like take out ur gear and syringes that shi would be like social suicide lol. How would you transport the gear that you’d need to refrigerate too?