Genuine Advice For Sub-5 Men

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Preface: Yes obviously there is nothing you can do to get genuine treatment close to that of a 7+ male , doesn’t mean you should just LDAR.

1. BetaBuxx
Money is a contributor to SMV. I’m not talking about unrealistic amounts of money ( >$250k ) or financially crippling yourself for a relationship. But all men should aim to work 60+ hours and be in the top 10-20% of income in their country.

Certain demographics of foids value money higher than genes. For example , western white women very much lean towards genes whereas black foids lean towards money.

If you are less genes and more money , then there are foids whose genes to money ratio is more favourable to you. If you have neither then you will be an incel no matter what .

As a sub-5 you don’t have a lot of choice. Yes it’s possible you get cheated on with a foid applying dual mating strategy, but there’s ways to spot cheaters : e.g history of cheating in family.


Yes you might end up in a deadbedroom marriage , but would you rather die alone or have a family ? You can always escortmaxx on the side. I know which one I’d rather choose.


2. Geomaxx
It is water that the west is the hardest market in the world.

Places like Eastern Europe where the competition is lower , both gens and money wise can yield much better results .

If you are an ethnic , moving to countries where your ethnicity is not discriminated against sexually is essential.

If EE fails , then south East Asian and South America are great for the same principle but multiplied.

Places like Kenya , Iran and India are great if you want to eliminate the competition even more.

3. Oofy Doofy
Yes a lot of oofy doofy normies are memed. But ask the question are they happier than you ?

Like I said before I would rather be in a deadbedroom relationship with kids than die alone.

Obviously, personality has very little effect on attraction but foids will reject you for having the wrong political opinions , as a sub-5 you have to be perfect whereas Chad can get away with being a misogynistic nazi.

A lot of sub-5s cope with politics . They become right wing and anti-feminist. If you express these views to foids , the majority will never date you. Even if you don’t believe in liberal views , especially socially , then put on the mask and pretend .


Any other useful advice for sub-5s ?
 
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Preface: Yes obviously there is nothing you can do to get genuine treatment close to that of a 7+ male , doesn’t mean you should just LDAR.

1. BetaBuxx
Money is a contributor to SMV. I’m not talking about unrealistic amounts of money ( >$250k ) or financially crippling yourself for a relationship. But all men should aim to work 60+ hours and be in the top 10-20% of income in their country.

Certain demographics of foids value money higher than genes. For example , western white women very much lean towards genes whereas black foids lean towards money.

If you are less genes and more money , then there are foids whose genes to money ratio is more favourable to you. If you have neither then you will be an incel no matter what .

As a sub-5 you don’t have a lot of choice. Yes it’s possible you get cheated on with a foid applying dual mating strategy, but there’s ways to spot cheaters : e.g history of cheating in family.


Yes you might end up in a deadbedroom marriage , but would you rather die alone or have a family ? You can always escortmaxx on the side. I know which one I’d rather choose.


2. Geomaxx
It is water that the west is the hardest market in the world.

Places like Eastern Europe where the competition is lower , both gens and money wise can yield much better results .

If you are an ethnic , moving to countries where your ethnicity is not discriminated against sexually is essential.

If EE fails , then south East Asian and South America are great for the same principle but multiplied.

Places like Kenya , Iran and India are great if you want to eliminate the competition even more.

3. Oofy Doofy
Yes a lot of oofy doofy normies are memed. But ask the question are they happier than you ?

Like I said before I would rather be in a deadbedroom relationship with kids than die alone.

Obviously, personality has very little effect on attraction but foids will reject you for having the wrong political opinions , as a sub-5 you have to be perfect whereas Chad can get away with being a misogynistic nazi.

A lot of sub-5s cope with politics . They become right wing and anti-feminist. If you express these views to foids , the majority will never date you. Even if you don’t believe in liberal views , especially socially , then put on the mask and pretend .


Any other useful advice for sub-5s ?
LDARing is best
 
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be a cuck, fuck animals and act like a retard this really makes me wanna live
 
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Honestly neither of these options will be good, you will compromise on your principals or cuck in some way or form and it will kill you inside slowly, more satisfying to just forgo dating in the first place, ascend or dont is the only option
 
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Places like Eastern Europe where the competition is lower , both gens and money wise can yield much better results .
Ill be funny seeing foreign manlets coming here just tonget heightmogged in Balkans
Jfl
EE only if you wanna betabuxx an EE foid who was used by Chadislav in HS
EE isnt even the best place in Europe to geomaxx
Preface: Yes obviously there is nothing you can do to get genuine treatment close to that of a 7+ male , doesn’t mean you should just LDAR.

1. BetaBuxx
Money is a contributor to SMV. I’m not talking about unrealistic amounts of money ( >$250k ) or financially crippling yourself for a relationship. But all men should aim to work 60+ hours and be in the top 10-20% of income in their country.

Certain demographics of foids value money higher than genes. For example , western white women very much lean towards genes whereas black foids lean towards money.

If you are less genes and more money , then there are foids whose genes to money ratio is more favourable to you. If you have neither then you will be an incel no matter what .

As a sub-5 you don’t have a lot of choice. Yes it’s possible you get cheated on with a foid applying dual mating strategy, but there’s ways to spot cheaters : e.g history of cheating in family.


Yes you might end up in a deadbedroom marriage , but would you rather die alone or have a family ? You can always escortmaxx on the side. I know which one I’d rather choose.


2. Geomaxx
It is water that the west is the hardest market in the world.

Places like Eastern Europe where the competition is lower , both gens and money wise can yield much better results .

If you are an ethnic , moving to countries where your ethnicity is not discriminated against sexually is essential.

If EE fails , then south East Asian and South America are great for the same principle but multiplied.

Places like Kenya , Iran and India are great if you want to eliminate the competition even more.

3. Oofy Doofy
Yes a lot of oofy doofy normies are memed. But ask the question are they happier than you ?

Like I said before I would rather be in a deadbedroom relationship with kids than die alone.

Obviously, personality has very little effect on attraction but foids will reject you for having the wrong political opinions , as a sub-5 you have to be perfect whereas Chad can get away with being a misogynistic nazi.

A lot of sub-5s cope with politics . They become right wing and anti-feminist. If you express these views to foids , the majority will never date you. Even if you don’t believe in liberal views , especially socially , then put on the mask and pretend .


Any other useful advice for sub-5s ?
But yeah geomaxx does work in shorter countries
Africa is a very good geomaxx destination
5 7 russian manlet who didnt pay fucked 700 chicks in 3 countries there
Some were sub5 yes but some looked decent
 
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LDARing is best
Honestly neither of these options will be good, you will compromise on your principals or cuck in some way or form and it will kill you inside slowly, more satisfying to just forgo dating in the first place, ascend or dont is the only option
Richard Dawkins called humans survival machines , if we don’t live true to our genetics to survive and reproduce then we will become depressed. That’s my 2 cents.
Ill be funny seeing foreign manlets coming here just tonget heightmogged in Balkans
Jfl
EE only if you wanna betabuxx an EE foid who was used by Chadislav in HS
EE isnt even the best place in Europe to geomaxx

But yeah geomaxx does work in shorter countries
Africa is a very good geomaxx destination
5 7 russian manlet who didnt pay fucked 700 chicks in 3 countries there
Some were sub5 yes but some looked decent
Where would you say is the best place in Europe ?

Geomaxx is a difficult one , you have to balance where you would like to live and also the quality of relationship you can get.

If you bring a foid from a geomaxxing location to the west , that’s just a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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Richard Dawkins called humans survival machines , if we don’t live true to our genetics to survive and reproduce then we will become depressed. That’s my 2 cents.

Where would you say is the best place in Europe ?

Geomaxx is a difficult one , you have to balance where you would like to live and also the quality of relationship you can get.

If you bring a foid from a geomaxxing location to the west , that’s just a disaster waiting to happen.
Many great men lived and died without having kids or a successor and yet we revere them while they were happy and got to accomplish what they wanted in their lives, there is an obv instinct to reproduce but we have evolved to a state where securing basic survival is not even a thought in our heads as opposed to how animals live where every living moment is concerned with securing basic needs and survival
 
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Many great men lived and died without having kids or a successor and yet we revere them while they were happy and got to accomplish what they wanted in their lives, there is an obv instinct to reproduce but we have evolved to a state where securing basic survival is not even a thought in our heads as opposed to how animals live where every living moment is concerned with securing basic needs and survival
Yes I am speaking generally , of course outliers will exist . In general having a family is the best thing a man can do , but there will be rare men who live happy lives without one.

I’m not being reductionist and yes human operate at a higher level of emergence than a monkey. However , we share much of the same underlying mechanism that dictate behaviour . Why do we do what we do ? When a thought comes into our heard , where does it come from ? why are my reward pathways wired in this way?

All of this comes from genetic influence. We can “Choose” to cut ourselves for whatever reason , and some people do , but the pain receptors will still activate and you will feel pain. This is an example of how yes we can choose to not be slaves to our biology , but imo this leads to an unsatisfactory life .
 
Richard Dawkins called humans survival machines , if we don’t live true to our genetics to survive and reproduce then we will become depressed. That’s my 2 cents.

Where would you say is the best place in Europe ?

Geomaxx is a difficult one , you have to balance where you would like to live and also the quality of relationship you can get.

If you bring a foid from a geomaxxing location to the west , that’s just a disaster waiting to happen.
The shortest aka medland tho they are quite neurotypical
Just avoid the big cities and medland is best
 
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Yes I am speaking generally , of course outliers will exist . In general having a family is the best thing a man can do , but there will be rare men who live happy lives without one.

I’m not being reductionist and yes human operate at a higher level of emergence than a monkey. However , we share much of the same underlying mechanism that dictate behaviour . Why do we do what we do ? When a thought comes into our heard , where does it come from ? why are my reward pathways wired in this way?

All of this comes from genetic influence. We can “Choose” to cut ourselves for whatever reason , and some people do , but the pain receptors will still activate and you will feel pain. This is an example of how yes we can choose to not be slaves to our biology , but imo this leads to an unsatisfactory life .
I don't think its solely for great men however, because look at monks as well, very common tradition of celibacy and tend to live very satisfying lives, imo there a lot of options for sub5s to throw themselves in before considering just giving up and betabuxxing, geomaxxing prob the only thing that could help truly on the list imo
 
The shortest aka medland tho they are quite neurotypical
Just avoid the big cities and medland is best
Really ? Italian men are considered some of the most desirable. The tanned white pheno is the most attractive in the west.

I guess your justification is height and outside the big cities it’s easy to money Mogg.

Is this for all races ? White , black , brown and Asian ?

I don't think its solely for great men however, because look at monks as well, very common tradition of celibacy and tend to live very satisfying lives, imo there a lot of options for sub5s to throw themselves in before considering just giving up and betabuxxing, geomaxxing prob the only thing that could help truly on the list imo
Yes monks cope with religion , not against that . I’m not saying you can’t learn a thing or two from them too. But there’s a reason there are only 1-1.5 million monks out of 8 billion people .
 
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Really ? Italian men are considered some of the most desirable. The tanned white pheno is the most attractive in the west.

I guess your justification is height and outside the big cities it’s easy to money Mogg.
the northern ones are
the southern ones are shorter
the northern ones are those desirable ones
the southerners the more south you go the more they become more arab like
 
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the southern ones are shorter
the northern ones are those desirable ones
the southerners the more south you go the more they become more arab like
Very interesting never considered Italy as a geomaxxing location. I assume you have some experience, how do you find quality foids in the south ?
 
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never ever betabuxx or oofy doofy, i mean these two are basically synonymous tbh

geomaxxing is the most viable option here, if ur willing to give up first world quality of life for some pussy, whether that be temporarily or permanently. even then its not guaranteed as its quite oversaturated nowadays but a solid idea nonetheless

oofy doofys are happier than us (and thus content with their situation) because they are bluepilled. thats it, theres nothing objectively better about their situation than an incel’s. as a matter of fact a man in a dead bedroom relationship might as well be an incel himself, but of course it really boils down to how you define it. at the end of the day id rather be single and lonely than have a roastie leech off of me. at least if ur single u have more time and all of your money to yourself. but i mean if u want such a parasitic relationship just because its considered normal or a “rite of passage” in your culture, or simply just want a family then all power to you

if you are a genuine sub 5 then, like OP said, consider geomaxxing as a last resort. if not that, then consider hardmaxxing (given that most of ur failos are fixable through doing so) if you possess the mental fortitude.
 
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never ever betabuxx or oofy doofy, i mean these two are basically synonymous tbh

geomaxxing is the most viable option here, if ur willing to give up first world quality of life for some pussy, whether that be temporarily or permanently. even then its not guaranteed as its quite oversaturated nowadays but a solid idea nonetheless

oofy doofys are happier than us (and thus content with their situation) because they are bluepilled. thats it, theres nothing objectively better about their situation than an incel’s. as a matter of fact a man in a dead bedroom relationship might as well be an incel himself, but of course it really boils down to how you define it. at the end of the day id rather be single and lonely than have a roastie leech off of me. at least if ur single u have more time and all of your money to yourself. but i mean if u want such a parasitic relationship just because its considered normal or a “rite of passage” in your culture, or simply just want a family then all power to you

if you are a genuine sub 5 then, like OP said, consider geomaxxing as a last resort. if not that, then consider hardmaxxing (given that most of ur failos are fixable through doing so) if you possess the mental fortitude.
Betabux there is levels to it , for example Yamine Lamal has 0 primal for whatever whore he’s dating. Nevertheless , he will get Chad treatment because he is not as easily replaced as the whore is. Like I said if you are in the top 10% of income , you are rare to foids who heavily value that , which many in the west do not anymore unless it’s at the Lamal level.

Oofy doofy , is when foids need a relationship for many reasons other than primal attraction and money or status. For example , Benny Blanco is a sub-5 but his personality allows him to be in relationship with Selena Gomez , yes it’s dead bedroom and yes she doesn’t find him attractive physically. But does he really care ?

Each to their own , but I will personally rope by 50 if I don’t have that nuclear family life.
 
Very interesting never considered Italy as a geomaxxing location. I assume you have some experience, how do you find quality foids in the south ?
I just looked at height statistics
If you are sub5 at least you can get a short italian foid who may be loyal because of height rather than some germanic or slavic foid who will compare you to other tallfags
 

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