Genuinely done with this natty shit

[chway]

I’ve been trying to look good while being natty and it’s just so hard, I have a pretty bad metobolism so if I go on vacation or anything I just gain so much weight and it’s so hard to lose it while also getting my protein in. I just want a way to get easy gains and look big for summer.

Also ik I can’t jsut blame my metabolism but every time I go on holiday I gain weight. Currently I’m in Australia for 2 whole weeks and I’ve eaten out every night, pretty much just been eating like shit and it’s like I can see my progress fading away

 

[chway]

Anyways I got a bit carried away, my question was what should I look into for my first cycle

 

[Dalton22]

So hop on

 

[looks>books]

Its just calories vro

 

[chway]

Its just calories vro

I’m afraid of calories

 

[chway]

So hop on

Sure, but what. I want something with not many side effects and I need to have a legit seller

 

[ascendtocl122]

Smoke meth and drink aqualyx mixed with crushed up anavar and you will ascend

 

[Dalton22]

Sure, but what. I want something with not many side effects and I need to have a legit seller

do testosterone fuck it

 

[India lover 52]

Sure, but what. I want something with not many side effects and I need to have a legit seller

Just take testosterone dm me if u need a source

 

[luuk]

Anyways I got a bit carried away, my question was what should I look into for my first cycle

Start with just test instead of trying to craft a silly megacycle like some greys here
200-300mg at first see how you tolerate it
Take dutasteride for hairloss and any other relevant ancillaries depending on how your bloods start looking. Get bloodwork before, during and after your cycle
Consult bodybuilding/steroid forums for better info and guidance than here, people just larp and give dangerous and poorly informed advice about pharmaceuticals here

 

[chway]

Smoke meth and drink aqualyx mixed with crushed up anavar and you will ascend

I trust you bro

 

[chway]

Start with just test instead of trying to craft a silly megacycle like some greys here
200-300mg at first see how you tolerate it
Take dutasteride for hairloss and any other relevant ancillaries depending on how your bloods start looking. Get bloodwork before, during and after your cycle
Consult bodybuilding/steroid forums for better info and guidance than here, people just larp and give dangerous and poorly informed advice about pharmaceuticals here

Alright thanks for the advice. I kinda want soemthing with a few less side effects but I’ve been told that hgh isn’t very good for muscle

 

[luuk]

Alright thanks for the advice. I kinda want soemthing with a few less side effects but I’ve been told that hgh isn’t very good for muscle

Hgh alone won’t do shit for hypertrophy
If you want to stop being natty test is the reasonable option, start with a low dose and see how the sides are
Avoid SARMs they’re weaker and suppressive
Peptides are cope

 

[yex]

bad metobolism

 

[chway]

I’m just coping I know

 

[yex]

I’m just coping I know

So you're "Done with this natty shit" When you haven't put your full effort into lifting and eating? Then you claim bad metabolism? Now you're saying you're just "coping"
Just lol

 

[chway]

Hgh alone won’t do shit for hypertrophy
If you want to stop being natty test is the reasonable option, start with a low dose and see how the sides are
Avoid SARMs they’re weaker and suppressive
Peptides are cope

Honestly is hgh that bad? I’m not looking for anything crazy I’m just looking to gain a little bit more muscle and I wouldn’t mind some wider clavicles tbh. I’m nearly 6’0 with I’d say slightly above average clavicles. Would you recommend it or no?

 

[chway]

So you're "Done with this natty shit" When you haven't put your full effort into lifting and eating? Then you claim bad metabolism? Now you're saying you're just "coping"
Just lol

I’m just saying that whenever I go on vacation I feel like I gain a lot of weight even thought in reality I don’t. Also I do put effort into my diet a lifting the whole post was about how my vacation has been getting in the way of it. I normally follow a strict diet and balance my protein very well but I’ve eaten out every day this week so that’s just hard to do. Sorry for the confusion. Also idk why I put wanting to hop on in the same post as me complaining about my calories this week I was just venting and somehow got there

 

[luuk]

Honestly is hgh that bad? I’m not looking for anything crazy I’m just looking to gain a little bit more muscle and I wouldn’t mind some wider clavicles tbh. I’m nearly 6’0 with I’d say slightly above average clavicles. Would you recommend it or no?

HGH isn’t ‘bad’ but its not an anabolic steroid. It won’t give you much hypertrophy without taking it alongside anabolics. Mainly just water mass, some connective tissue/bone growth etc. Its expensive and not intended for that purpose. When taken with AAS it synergises very well

 

[yex]

I normally follow a strict diet and balance my protein very well but I’ve eaten out every day this week so that’s just hard to do

So just try again and get consitent again. Gain some muscle and keep on grinding and when you're at your peak just start roiding -start hgh / peptides.

 

[chway]

HGH isn’t ‘bad’ but its not an anabolic steroid. It won’t give you much hypertrophy without taking it alongside anabolics. Mainly just water mass, some connective tissue/bone growth etc. Its expensive and not intended for that purpose. When taken with AAS it synergises very well

I mean I’m not looking for anything crazy. Just don’t want the side effects that come with test.

 

[chway]

So just try again and get consitent again. Gain some muscle and keep on grinding and when you're at your peak just start roiding -start hgh / peptides.

Which PED would you recommend. I’m kinda looking for a middle ground between hgh and test

 

[yex]

And as someone who's on gh rn I don't feel too much muscle gains
it's not test or tren you don't gain muscle or lose fat fast at all. It has less of these effects, most of the effects i'm noticing is slight sleep improvment, maybe slight fat improvment but that's everything.

 

[yex]

Which PED would you recommend. I’m kinda looking for a middle ground between hgh and test

Just start with gh ngl
Test is just too much and will cook your endocrine system

 

[luuk]

I mean I’m not looking for anything crazy. Just don’t want the side effects that come with test.

HGH has sides too you know
Low dose test won’t have bad side effects.
HGH is too expensive and effortful to take on its own for pitiful size gains (and near zero additional strength gains)
HGH without AAS is only really taken for people trying to height/bonemaxx and is done in very high doses (and with an aromatase inhibitor for the former)

 

[luuk]

Just start with gh ngl
Test is just too much and will cook your endocrine system

Again, near pointess if he’s looking for muscle
If you’re gonna be a pussy take sarms but you may as well just run 200 test

 

[chway]

Just start with gh ngl
Test is just too much and will cook your endocrine system

HGH has sides too you know
Low dose test won’t have bad side effects.
HGH is too expensive and effortful to take on its own for pitiful size gains (and near zero additional strength gains)
HGH without AAS is only really taken for people trying to height/bonemaxx and is done in very high doses (and with an aromatase inhibitor for the former)

I’ve got two very different views here

 

[chway]

HGH has sides too you know
Low dose test won’t have bad side effects.
HGH is too expensive and effortful to take on its own for pitiful size gains (and near zero additional strength gains)
HGH without AAS is only really taken for people trying to height/bonemaxx and is done in very high doses (and with an aromatase inhibitor for the former)

Yeah I understand gh has sides too, they’re just not as extreme as the side effects I could get from test. But I suppose 200 test can’t do too much

 

[luuk]

I’ve got two very different views here

He’s chatting shit
No point in not being natty if you’re running anything less than test, thats an opinion i’ll stand by
HGH is a cool compound but its simply not going to be worth it alone for your physique
Either stay natty or run test

 

[yex]

I’ve got two very different views here

Yeah but test does have actual fertility risks since it suppresses natural sperm production
I personally wouldn’t want to rely on HCG or FSH later to restore fertility. GH doesn’t suppress fertility. When looking at the risk managment it's just not worth it.
Muscles come and go, bones do not
I agree with him though, test is way better for gymcelling lol

 

[chway]

He’s chatting shit
No point in not being natty if you’re running anything less than test, thats an opinion i’ll stand by
HGH is a cool compound but its simply not going to be worth it alone for your physique
Either stay natty or run test

If I did 200 for 5 weeks would I be left with any permanent side effects?

 

[chway]

He’s chatting shit
No point in not being natty if you’re running anything less than test, thats an opinion i’ll stand by
HGH is a cool compound but its simply not going to be worth it alone for your physique
Either stay natty or run test

Yeah but test does have actual fertility risks since it suppresses natural sperm production
I personally wouldn’t want to rely on HCG or FSH later to restore fertility. GH doesn’t suppress fertility. When looking at the risk managment it's just not worth it.
Muscles come and go, bones do not
I agree with him though, test is way better for gymcelling lol

Yall should duel it out fr

 

[luuk]

Yeah but test does have actual fertility risks since it suppresses natural sperm production
I personally wouldn’t want to rely on HCG or FSH later to restore fertility. GH doesn’t suppress fertility. When looking at the risk managment it's just not worth it.
Muscles come and go, bones do not
I agree with him though, test is way better for gymcelling lol

Oh test does absolutely have risks but if he’s saying he wants to stop being natty I’m assuming thats within his risk tolerance
GH doesn’t have bad sides but its not a steroid and so if he’s using it for that he should stay natty or risk running test

 

[tomahawk]

Sure, but what. I want something with not many side effects and I need to have a legit seller

Test 250mg weekly with ancillaries for 12 weeks with 6week enclo 25mg daily pct a week after the cycle ends

 

[chway]

Test 250mg weekly with ancillaries for 12 weeks with 6week enclo 25mg daily pct a week after the cycle ends

Pct after running 250? Really?

 

[tomahawk]

Pct after running 250? Really?

Yes.

 

[chway]

Yes.

What if I did a pct without ever actually touching test itself? I know I wouldn’t have as much gains but would that work? Hypothetically

 

[iwantuinsideme]

I’ve been trying to look good while being natty and it’s just so hard, I have a pretty bad metobolism so if I go on vacation or anything I just gain so much weight and it’s so hard to lose it while also getting my protein in. I just want a way to get easy gains and look big for summer.

Also ik I can’t jsut blame my metabolism but every time I go on holiday I gain weight. Currently I’m in Australia for 2 whole weeks and I’ve eaten out every night, pretty much just been eating like shit and it’s like I can see my progress fading away

you remind of that cartman from south park thing: "i'm not fat, i got big bones"

you're just lazy, sad, pathetic, and fat, with no discipline, drive, motivation and a small dick. i

 

[tomahawk]

What if I did a pct without ever actually touching test itself? I know I wouldn’t have as much gains but would that work? Hypothetically

You can
Thats the natty plus bullshit
It wont do a lot though and you'd have to run it for long times

 

[tomahawk]

What if I did a pct without ever actually touching test itself? I know I wouldn’t have as much gains but would that work? Hypothetically

It also will lower ur igf a lil tho

 

[pope]

I’ve been trying to look good while being natty and it’s just so hard, I have a pretty bad metobolism so if I go on vacation or anything I just gain so much weight and it’s so hard to lose it while also getting my protein in. I just want a way to get easy gains and look big for summer.

Also ik I can’t jsut blame my metabolism but every time I go on holiday I gain weight. Currently I’m in Australia for 2 whole weeks and I’ve eaten out every night, pretty much just been eating like shit and it’s like I can see my progress fading away

Take t3 thyroid pills instead

 

[chway]

you remind of that cartman from south park thing: "i'm not fat, i got big bones"

you're just lazy, sad, pathetic, and fat, with no discipline, drive, motivation and a small dick. i

Pretty much sums me up

 

[chway]

you remind of that cartman from south park thing: "i'm not fat, i got big bones"

you're just lazy, sad, pathetic, and fat, with no discipline, drive, motivation and a small dick. i

Tbh tho I don’t normally make excuses, I’m not that kind of person but I’ve had a very long day and not much sleep so im just feeling really petty. I would make fun of someone who made a post like this just because of how much of a bitch they sound like but today that was me. Also I’m likely not actually gonna take peds but I see no harm in learning about them and getting more knowledgeable about the topic. I’m probably gonna do something to do bioengineering in uni anyway so it’s useful to know about. I’m just out of my rhythm today because I haven’t been on my usual diet, sleep or workouts recently