Getting canthoplasty + Fat grafting tomorrow

[artvandelay]

hey guys tomorrow I will be getting lower eyelid elevation (with spacer graft + canthoplasty) + nanofat transfer to undereye for dark circles and upper eyelid for UEE with dr ayse dolar (reputable oculoplastic surgeon, I'm paying 15k euros for this)

during our in person consultation today, she told me that when she does fat grafting to reduce UEE, she is conservative and her explanation was something like if you overcorrect with fat graft it's irreversible vs if i want filler she can be agressive because it's reversible. I asked what "overcorrection" means here, what the consequences are and i think she replied "you will have hooded eyes" or i think also something about being too puffy? but my question to you is, are hooded eyes always desirable? should i just have told her yes I want an irreversible overcorrection give me irreversible hooded eyes!!?

also for the first time in her career, she is uncertain if i have enough BF for the lipo, she said tomorrow before surgery she will have someone clear me if it's ok, or if not she will only do the cantho. but reading from rattinan threads on the forum, there is no minimum BF% right and i should be gucci? BTW i am well above 10% I'm sure. (140 lbs at 5'7 with decent muscle mass lifetime natty, i was 130 lbs when shredded on reta)

by the way i also asked for positive orbiral vector and she said the only real fix is orbital decompression +/- rim implant which she doesn't do for cosmetic purposes because she thinks the risk/reward is bad, but she said that my eyelid elevation + fat grafting will give an illusion that eyes are more deep set with more positive ortbital vector and a lot of patients are happy with that alone, so i will go see taban next year if i'm not satisfied by then

this is very last minute but any feedback would be appreciated

in any case she did tell me that if i want something more agressive at a latter date, there is no problem i can just go to rattinan then. she also told me that it's very optional in my case and that her patients who ask for fat graft for UEE have a goal similar to my actual UEE...

do you think it comes down to her just not being blackpilled? BTW she seems goated as an oculoplastic and I did extensive research and I am not here to save $ at all, i'm not letting a random doc mess with my eye area ofc

 

[artvandelay]

should i just cancel the fat graft, only get the cantho and ask her for filler for undereye and UEE instead? from what i understand it's the same result, just doesn't last as long, yes?

i also don't want to stop going to the gym for months i feel like it descends me hard when i do...

so what if i do fillers and then in 1 year when fillers are dissolved, go to rattinan for the full fat gafting package? is that a good option or is there a downside i'm not considering here?

btw why is filler so hated on, what's so bad about doing it once a year for all your prime years and then stopping when you don't give a shit anymore? it's so cheap and instant and no downtime so i don't get why hardmaxes and fat grafts are considered so vastly superior

 

[cold_nano]

Do ur research and I will suggest u get 22% bf so u will get better

hey guys tomorrow I will be getting lower eyelid elevation (with spacer graft + canthoplasty) + nanofat transfer to undereye for dark circles and upper eyelid for UEE with dr ayse dolar (reputable oculoplastic surgeon, I'm paying 15k euros for this)

during our in person consultation today, she told me that when she does fat grafting to reduce UEE, she is conservative and her explanation was something like if you overcorrect with fat graft it's irreversible vs if i want filler she can be agressive because it's reversible. I asked what "overcorrection" means here, what the consequences are and i think she replied "you will have hooded eyes" or i think also something about being too puffy? but my question to you is, are hooded eyes always desirable? should i just have told her yes I want an irreversible overcorrection give me irreversible hooded eyes!!?

also for the first time in her career, she is uncertain if i have enough BF for the lipo, she said tomorrow before surgery she will have someone clear me if it's ok, or if not she will only do the cantho. but reading from rattinan threads on the forum, there is no minimum BF% right and i should be gucci? BTW i am well above 10% I'm sure. (140 lbs at 5'7 with decent muscle mass lifetime natty, i was 130 lbs when shredded on reta)

by the way i also asked for positive orbiral vector and she said the only real fix is orbital decompression +/- rim implant which she doesn't do for cosmetic purposes because she thinks the risk/reward is bad, but she said that my eyelid elevation + fat grafting will give an illusion that eyes are more deep set with more positive ortbital vector and a lot of patients are happy with that alone, so i will go see taban next year if i'm not satisfied by then

this is very last minute but any feedback would be appreciated

in any case she did tell me that if i want something more agressive at a latter date, there is no problem i can just go to rattinan then. she also told me that it's very optional in my case and that her patients who ask for fat graft for UEE have a goal similar to my actual UEE...

do you think it comes down to her just not being blackpilled? BTW she seems goated as an oculoplastic and I did extensive research and I am not here to save $ at all, i'm not letting a random doc mess with my eye area ofc

Result and do ur research why u need 22% bf

 

[cold_nano]

Also can u tell me u look better or worse at 10% bf cause u lack in

hey guys tomorrow I will be getting lower eyelid elevation (with spacer graft + canthoplasty) + nanofat transfer to undereye for dark circles and upper eyelid for UEE with dr ayse dolar (reputable oculoplastic surgeon, I'm paying 15k euros for this)

during our in person consultation today, she told me that when she does fat grafting to reduce UEE, she is conservative and her explanation was something like if you overcorrect with fat graft it's irreversible vs if i want filler she can be agressive because it's reversible. I asked what "overcorrection" means here, what the consequences are and i think she replied "you will have hooded eyes" or i think also something about being too puffy? but my question to you is, are hooded eyes always desirable? should i just have told her yes I want an irreversible overcorrection give me irreversible hooded eyes!!?

also for the first time in her career, she is uncertain if i have enough BF for the lipo, she said tomorrow before surgery she will have someone clear me if it's ok, or if not she will only do the cantho. but reading from rattinan threads on the forum, there is no minimum BF% right and i should be gucci? BTW i am well above 10% I'm sure. (140 lbs at 5'7 with decent muscle mass lifetime natty, i was 130 lbs when shredded on reta)

by the way i also asked for positive orbiral vector and she said the only real fix is orbital decompression +/- rim implant which she doesn't do for cosmetic purposes because she thinks the risk/reward is bad, but she said that my eyelid elevation + fat grafting will give an illusion that eyes are more deep set with more positive ortbital vector and a lot of patients are happy with that alone, so i will go see taban next year if i'm not satisfied by then

this is very last minute but any feedback would be appreciated

in any case she did tell me that if i want something more agressive at a latter date, there is no problem i can just go to rattinan then. she also told me that it's very optional in my case and that her patients who ask for fat graft for UEE have a goal similar to my actual UEE...

do you think it comes down to her just not being blackpilled? BTW she seems goated as an oculoplastic and I did extensive research and I am not here to save $ at all, i'm not letting a random doc mess with my eye area ofc

Eye area
So I will look bad after getin lean?

 

[artvandelay]

Do ur research and I will suggest u get 22% bf so u will get better

i will never be 22% bf in my life bro, wtf

and if i get 22% and then lean down to 10% my fat grafts will also melt, no?

i've never seen any user suggest this so i think you could give a short explanation instead of telling me to do my own research lmao

Also can u tell me u look better or worse at 10% bf cause u lack in

Eye area
So I will look bad after getin lean?

what? bro i don't understand what the hell you are saying

i also speak french spanish italian if any of those are better for you

or just write in your native language i will use google translate lmao

 

[cold_nano]

Fat graft at 22% bf will last long

i will never be 22% bf in my life bro, wtf

and if i get 22% and then lean down to 10% my fat grafts will also melt, no?

i've never seen any user suggest this so i think you could give a short explanation instead of telling me to do my own research lmao




what? bro i don't understand what the hell you are saying

i also speak french spanish italian if any of those are better for you

or just write in your native language i will use google translate lmao

er there are some guide mentioned if u do it at low body fat u will again lose it idk much about it
And like I don't have fat around my eyes too if I got lean it can look bad or better it won't matter

 

[cold_nano]

Maybe I'm wrong I don't know

 

[t0urist]

should i just cancel the fat graft, only get the cantho and ask her for filler for undereye and UEE instead? from what i understand it's the same result, just doesn't last as long, yes?

Filler is more predictable, but its vital not to apply directly in the tear trough any semi good doctor knows this or else you will get lumps. It takes a more advanced doctor to apply fat transfer correctly.

i also don't want to stop going to the gym for months i feel like it descends me hard when i do...

so what if i do fillers and then in 1 year when fillers are dissolved, go to rattinan for the full fat gafting package? is that a good option or is there a downside i'm not considering here?

Or skip the filler entirely and get the fat transfer afterwards, filler can stay in face much longer but not in the same place.

dr ayse dolar (reputable oculoplastic surgeon, I'm paying 15k euros for this)

yes she is reputable but for 15K euros I think she's taxing way to much, she can do a great lower eye lid retraction but I can't find any before and after where she has performed a canthoplasty.

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

hey guys tomorrow I will be getting lower eyelid elevation (with spacer graft + canthoplasty) + nanofat transfer to undereye for dark circles and upper eyelid for UEE with dr ayse dolar (reputable oculoplastic surgeon, I'm paying 15k euros for this)

during our in person consultation today, she told me that when she does fat grafting to reduce UEE, she is conservative and her explanation was something like if you overcorrect with fat graft it's irreversible vs if i want filler she can be agressive because it's reversible. I asked what "overcorrection" means here, what the consequences are and i think she replied "you will have hooded eyes" or i think also something about being too puffy? but my question to you is, are hooded eyes always desirable? should i just have told her yes I want an irreversible overcorrection give me irreversible hooded eyes!!?

also for the first time in her career, she is uncertain if i have enough BF for the lipo, she said tomorrow before surgery she will have someone clear me if it's ok, or if not she will only do the cantho. but reading from rattinan threads on the forum, there is no minimum BF% right and i should be gucci? BTW i am well above 10% I'm sure. (140 lbs at 5'7 with decent muscle mass lifetime natty, i was 130 lbs when shredded on reta)

by the way i also asked for positive orbiral vector and she said the only real fix is orbital decompression +/- rim implant which she doesn't do for cosmetic purposes because she thinks the risk/reward is bad, but she said that my eyelid elevation + fat grafting will give an illusion that eyes are more deep set with more positive ortbital vector and a lot of patients are happy with that alone, so i will go see taban next year if i'm not satisfied by then

this is very last minute but any feedback would be appreciated

in any case she did tell me that if i want something more agressive at a latter date, there is no problem i can just go to rattinan then. she also told me that it's very optional in my case and that her patients who ask for fat graft for UEE have a goal similar to my actual UEE...

do you think it comes down to her just not being blackpilled? BTW she seems goated as an oculoplastic and I did extensive research and I am not here to save $ at all, i'm not letting a random doc mess with my eye area ofc

what do u work?

 

[artvandelay]

what do u work?

what do you mean

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

what do you mean

how do u get the money to surgerymaxx

 

[artvandelay]

dont worry about it im unc bro 15k euros is nothing at my age

 

[artvandelay]

Or skip the filler entirely and get the fat transfer afterwards, filler can stay in face much longer but not in the same place.

in that case i might as well get the fat transfer with her first, no? maybe i’m satisfied and it’s enough, if not then hey i was going to get another one either way right? money is not a concern

thanks for your answer btw appreciate it

 

[artvandelay]

yes she is reputable but for 15K euros I think she's taxing way to much, she can do a great lower eye lid retraction but I can't find any before and after where she has performed a canthoplasty.

she did show me a lot of photos, she’s amazing. i dont think all surgeons necessarily spam their ig with their best work, maybe because of patient consent idk. she did also tell me she is the surgeon who has done the most lower eyelid elevation (i assume she meant in the world but who knows) and has had zero patient so far who thought they looked better before. but yeah when i vetted her almost all of her reviews were of her saving the lives of people who got absolutely botched, and then after our consultation talking to her and looking at her primary surgery work i was in complete trust with her. and i dont know that 15k is that expensive for a world class oculoplastic tbh (cantho is 11.5k btw, the rest is for the nanofat) but yeah even if she is taxing me as a tourist i wouldn’t feel too bad about it considering i don’t want to gamble with eye area.

 

[cold_nano]

My eye area is cooked I'm at 15% bf I should try 10% will it look

she did show me a lot of photos, she’s amazing. i dont think all surgeons necessarily spam their ig with their best work, maybe because of patient consent idk. she did also tell me she is the surgeon who has done the most lower eyelid elevation (i assume she meant in the world but who knows) and has had zero patient so far who thought they looked better before. but yeah when i vetted her almost all of her reviews were of her saving the lives of people who got absolutely botched, and then after our consultation talking to her and looking at her primary surgery work i was in complete trust with her. and i dont know that 15k is that expensive for a world class oculoplastic tbh (cantho is 11.5k btw, the rest is for the nanofat) but yeah even if she is taxing me as a tourist i wouldn’t feel too bad about it considering i don’t want to gamble with eye area.

good or no please tell me
If u were fat before then get lean
Eye area got sunken or some?

 

[artvandelay]

brother how is your english so cooked jesus

use chatgpt or something

and why are you quoting posts mid sentence

ive never been fat a day in my life so i cant say for sure but yeah i do think that being extremely lean worsens my eye area but i dont have photos so cant say for sure

 

[Assymetry]

Cancel ts, you talk euros, so prolly european. Infra-malars with local maxfac are even cheaper than that.

 

[artvandelay]

Cancel ts, you talk euros, so prolly european. Infra-malars with local maxfac are even cheaper than that.

smh i swear some of you niggas are so negative for no reason lmao

my surgery is in 10 hours

im a rich guy who probably spent over 10 hours comparing oculoplastic surgeons and after a few consultations landed on her being the best for my case and my risk tolerance, i mean its my eyes bro im not skimping tf

if i thought someone was better for my case and they quoted me 3000 less or 3000 more, i would have chosen them, imo price talk is pointless when youre talking to a stranger on a forum that is about results

 

[duduboy]

post It

 

[Assymetry]

smh i swear some of you niggas are so negative for no reason lmao

my surgery is in 10 hours

im a rich guy who probably spent over 10 hours comparing oculoplastic surgeons and after a few consultations landed on her being the best for my case and my risk tolerance, i mean its my eyes bro im not skimping tf

if i thought someone was better for my case and they quoted me 3000 less or 3000 more, i would have chosen them, imo price talk is pointless when youre talking to a stranger on a forum that is about results

I get you, if you have good money, it’s less of an issue.

 

[artvandelay]

post It

post what

 

[duduboy]

post what

the post op

 

[artvandelay]

its tomorrow and i will not post it but you can ask in DMs in a couple weeks if you want

 

[rares54]

smh i swear some of you niggas are so negative for no reason lmao

my surgery is in 10 hours

im a rich guy who probably spent over 10 hours comparing oculoplastic surgeons and after a few consultations landed on her being the best for my case and my risk tolerance, i mean its my eyes bro im not skimping tf

if i thought someone was better for my case and they quoted me 3000 less or 3000 more, i would have chosen them, imo price talk is pointless when youre talking to a stranger on a forum that is about results

Dude why do you still ask for advice on org it's full of brainrotted 15 yo kids that came from tiktok

all the knowledgeable hardmaxxers are gone, there are some knowledgeable people in the discord group called 'hardmax' u should join

also why the fuck are you paying 15k just for a cantho and a fat graft

drill bone cantho costs around 8k with dr burak ercin and a fat graft u can get it done anywhere for around 1-2k max

 

[Oscaridk]

hey guys tomorrow I will be getting lower eyelid elevation (with spacer graft + canthoplasty) + nanofat transfer to undereye for dark circles and upper eyelid for UEE with dr ayse dolar (reputable oculoplastic surgeon, I'm paying 15k euros for this)

during our in person consultation today, she told me that when she does fat grafting to reduce UEE, she is conservative and her explanation was something like if you overcorrect with fat graft it's irreversible vs if i want filler she can be agressive because it's reversible. I asked what "overcorrection" means here, what the consequences are and i think she replied "you will have hooded eyes" or i think also something about being too puffy? but my question to you is, are hooded eyes always desirable? should i just have told her yes I want an irreversible overcorrection give me irreversible hooded eyes!!?

also for the first time in her career, she is uncertain if i have enough BF for the lipo, she said tomorrow before surgery she will have someone clear me if it's ok, or if not she will only do the cantho. but reading from rattinan threads on the forum, there is no minimum BF% right and i should be gucci? BTW i am well above 10% I'm sure. (140 lbs at 5'7 with decent muscle mass lifetime natty, i was 130 lbs when shredded on reta)

by the way i also asked for positive orbiral vector and she said the only real fix is orbital decompression +/- rim implant which she doesn't do for cosmetic purposes because she thinks the risk/reward is bad, but she said that my eyelid elevation + fat grafting will give an illusion that eyes are more deep set with more positive ortbital vector and a lot of patients are happy with that alone, so i will go see taban next year if i'm not satisfied by then

this is very last minute but any feedback would be appreciated

in any case she did tell me that if i want something more agressive at a latter date, there is no problem i can just go to rattinan then. she also told me that it's very optional in my case and that her patients who ask for fat graft for UEE have a goal similar to my actual UEE...

do you think it comes down to her just not being blackpilled? BTW she seems goated as an oculoplastic and I did extensive research and I am not here to save $ at all, i'm not letting a random doc mess with my eye area ofc

Good look bro.

 

[vermicel]

@artvandelay I'm considering her for a fat graft as well. Haven't gotten in touch yet, so still hypothetical at this point. @bossman warned us in a past thread that her fees are comparable to Western surgeons', so your quotes don't come as a surprise. It seems to be a common trope nowadays among the best Turkish surgeons in their respective fields : their marketing is skill-based, not price-based any longer ; their targeted international patients are ready to pay as much as they would in their country of origin, if not more. Just like you.

That said, I don't know how experienced she is with fat grafts. Did she show you a large portfolio of results, and did it display numerous male patients ? Did she tell you how frequently she performs the procedure ?
It seems a bit odd that you lack fat to harvest if you're actually not that lean. Very lean guys who went to Thailand had fat harvested from their thighs and glutes, when the belly and lower back were too dry. I can't recall anyone being rejected by the Thais for being too lean.

Maybe she is just conservative by default, because she's seen too many botched jobs from other surgeons and has strong ethics.
The scientific literature on fat grafting does back her up (@LTN ). Overfilling is not a recommended practice. If a patient wants to achieve so-called hunter eyes, he can undergo several successive grafting sessions. This strategy is more costly, but it's also safer, faster to recover from, and it allows better control over the final outcome. Most people here cannot be bothered with this strategy, either because their budget doesn't allow it, and/or because they are very young and have no patience (they think life is over at 25yo ... if not earlier ).

 

[artvandelay]

@vermicel

yeah honestly i never gave her a hint that she could upcharge me and i think anyone that knows of her enough and that has talked to her in person knows that she is extremely ethical

im sure its simple supply & demand and she has no problem filling her schedule at those prices. i mean so much of her cases is her bringing back to life people who had every reason to ropemax after they got botched

why would you go to her only for fat grafting? or did you mean included with other things you mainly want her for?

but ye im 100% sure there are retabros in here who went to rattanan shreded to the bone compared to me. but i can tell you she was genuinely shocked by my bf% and had never had a leaner patient before. she pinched at my abdomen, glutes, thighs and said she genuinely didn’t know if there is enough fat there

i think its an aspect of her practice that she delegates though (she said something like the lipo team will tell us tomorrow if they clear you) so i think she just doesnt have real lipo experience although she does have real injecting/grafting the fat experience

the one thing i did make sure was very explicit is that she has done fat grafting to looksmaxers i.e. people who want their UEE reduced even if a normie could never tell its a failo on them. and to that she answered clearly that yes she has done fat grafting to blackpilled patients and she understands my reference point for an ideal male eye area

but i didnt ask for 100 pics because i try to be considerate of peoples time (yeah ikik i shouldnt when im paying 15k but wtv its just my nature) but i was satisfied with a few examples, although my bar might be low for someone on this forum because i was basically thinking “ok after is clearly better than before, she will improve me” and also i was never trying to hold her to the highst standard on fat grafting, just the LERR with spacer graft and cantho, as far as the fat grafting i moreso thought “might aswell since i’m already here and with her everything seems very low risk and high reward”

 

[artvandelay]

btw the consultation is cheap and she will answer 1000 questions if you have them so just book her its fast

 

[Muneco]

she's not even close to being the best occuplastic surgeon in europe. why is she charging these premium prices.

Also jfl at going to a female surgeon