Give me an argument on why God exists.

[asdvek]

The Universe/Big Bang came from nothing?

I am not an atheist. I don't believe in the big bang theory. I do believe there is a superior form of life that controls us.

then judging divine love by earthly success is like judging the depth of mathematics by how much money a mathematician makes. you're using the wrong metric.

How is it the wrong metric?

God literally created some people just for them to suffer, and for some to not work a day in their life.

Tell me the correct metric then?

a parent may allow two children to endure very different paths—not out of favoritism, but because they understand that growth, humility, or meaning might emerge in one and not the other.

and how do you know..?

Genuinely asking. How do you know? Because it doesn't make sense. It could very well be favoritism.

God creates a subhuman born in poverty, and a rich kid born in LA or whatever. That's called favoritism.

rejecting god because life is cruel is like rejecting literature because the book contains suffering. you're not engaging with the premise—you’re upset with the plot.

Not really.

If Allah is the greatest, the strongest, why did he choose to make the palestinians suffer out of any other country, majority of palestinians are muslims too.

So the country that has a muslim majority suffers instead of a society that insults god

Does it make sense to you?

you weren’t given a paper while someone else got a gun. no one was “given” anything. the paper, the gun, and your pain are all just particles moving toward heat death. no favoritism. just noise.

Some people were indeed given a paper while others got a gun

As I said before, there are people that born without limbs, born mentally disabled, born mentally retarded.

And I've also seen videos of limbless people working labor because of poverty. They have no chance but to work.

While some rich kid was born in a L.A. suburb, has BBQ on the weekends, goes to a private high school, his dad drives a good car

Favoritism

 

[asdvek]

Contingency argument
The Universe/Big Bang came from nothing?


you’re making the mistake of conflating natural distribution with metaphysical intention. the fact that life is asymmetrical—genetically, geographically, socially—only proves that nature is indifferent, not that a creator (if one exists) is unjust or favors one over another. this is a category error.

if a god exists, and especially if this god is not bound by material outcomes, then judging divine love by earthly success is like judging the depth of mathematics by how much money a mathematician makes. you're using the wrong metric.


the argument also assumes that suffering = neglect and advantage = preference, but that’s a projection of human psychology onto a transcendent concept. a parent may allow two children to endure very different paths—not out of favoritism, but because they understand that growth, humility, or meaning might emerge in one and not the other. whether or not this is “fair” from the child’s view doesn’t negate the presence of intentionality.


also, appealing to entropy (i.e. the universe trends toward disorder and suffering) doesn’t disprove god. it just sets the stage for what kind of god would make sense. maybe not an interventionist genie, but a god that allows agency, pain, and absurdity as part of a larger arc. rejecting god because life is cruel is like rejecting literature because the book contains suffering. you're not engaging with the premise—you’re upset with the plot.


if you reject all metaphysics, fine. but then don’t appeal to injustice/fairness—as injustice implies a standard, and standards don’t exist in raw entropy. in that view, you weren’t given a paper while someone else got a gun. no one was “given” anything. the paper, the gun, and your pain are all just particles moving toward heat death. no favoritism. just noise.


so either you're within a framework where suffering might serve a higher purpose (in which case divine love isn't disproved), or you're in a meaningless system (in which case love, justice, and preference are illusions). both are internally consistent. but don’t borrow emotional terms like “love” or “fairness” from one system and try to apply them to another.

God is just an entity that created the universe for fun, put some humans on an earth, and started testing them?

If god is the greatest and he can literally do anything, like wiping the entire universe off in a milisecond, why would he put some humans on an earth JFL?

Also creates satan. So he's basically competing with satan. Creates another entity to compete. Is god lonely so he created all these things?

And can god create an object so heavy that he can't lift? If he can't, then he can not create everything, therefore his abilities are limited. However if he can, then he is not the strongest, as he will fail to lift the heavy object

 

[JasGews69x]

How is it the wrong metric?

You're imposing a social/human framework onto something thats metaphysical
You're assuming suffering=neglect and prosperity = favoured
This is just a projection of human psychology.

Tell me the correct metric then?

Since I'm a Muslim
More Suffering = more divine Love
The Prophet (ﷺ) who said: "Indeed greater reward comes with greater trial. And indeed, when Allah loves a people He subjects them to trials, so whoever is content, then for him is pleasure, and whoever is discontent, then for him is wrath."

If Allah is the greatest, the strongest, why did he choose to make the palestinians suffer out of any other country, majority of palestinians are muslims too.


Does it make sense to you?

Yes it does because worse has happened to the Muslims
Go read what happened to the early muslims
Go read the 'Seerah of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ'
Every Messenger of God suffered the most

'Do people think once they say, “We believe,” that they will be left without being put to the test?'
29:2 Quran
Anyone can say they believe but when hardship strikes them, they reject Him which is part of the test.

'Now, whenever a human being is tested by their Lord through ˹His˺ generosity and blessings, they boast, “My Lord has ˹deservedly˺ honoured me!”
But when He tests them by limiting their provision, they protest, “My Lord has ˹undeservedly˺ humiliated me!”
89:15-16 Quran

God also allowed His Prophets to be murdered and abused for 100s of years

So the country that has a muslim majority suffers instead of a society that insults god

Do not think ˹O Prophet˺ that Allah is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them until a Day when ˹their˺ eyes will stare in horror—14:42 Quran

So let them indulge ˹in falsehood˺ and amuse ˹themselves˺ until they face their Day, which they have been threatened with—70:42 Quran

 

[copercel123]

You're imposing a social/human framework onto something thats metaphysical
You're assuming suffering=neglect and prosperity = favoured
This is just a projection of human psychology.


Since I'm a Muslim
More Suffering = more divine Love
The Prophet (ﷺ) who said: "Indeed greater reward comes with greater trial. And indeed, when Allah loves a people He subjects them to trials, so whoever is content, then for him is pleasure, and whoever is discontent, then for him is wrath."


Yes it does because worse has happened to the Muslims
Go read what happened to the early muslims
Go read the 'Seerah of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ'
Every Messenger of God suffered the most

'Do people think once they say, “We believe,” that they will be left without being put to the test?'
29:2 Quran
Anyone can say they believe but when hardship strikes them, they reject Him which is part of the test.

'Now, whenever a human being is tested by their Lord through ˹His˺ generosity and blessings, they boast, “My Lord has ˹deservedly˺ honoured me!”
But when He tests them by limiting their provision, they protest, “My Lord has ˹undeservedly˺ humiliated me!”
89:15-16 Quran

God also allowed His Prophets to be murdered and abused for 100s of years


Do not think ˹O Prophet˺ that Allah is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them until a Day when ˹their˺ eyes will stare in horror—14:42 Quran

So let them indulge ˹in falsehood˺ and amuse ˹themselves˺ until they face their Day, which they have been threatened with—70:42 Quran

Man made book btw.

 

[Aladin]

If it does, then he is very unfair.

God exists and is unfair.

 

[JasGews69x]

Man made book btw.

Kuffar cope

 

[copercel123]

God exists and is unfair.

He doesn’t exist.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

God doesn't exist.

If it does, then he is very unfair.

Or he simply doesn't exist.

No in between.

What is unfair? The definition can vary from even person to person, but if God is God then wouldn't that make His standard the end all of what is fair or not? We could all be wrong and He would still be no less perfectly right.

 

[Aladin]

He doesn’t exist.

He does.

 

[Aladin]

What is unfair?

 

[DALITMOGGER 6']

God doesn't exist.

If it does, then he is very unfair.

Or he simply doesn't exist.

No in between.

God is created by humans to create a sesnse of fear among people.It is so that a person can folllow a life of morale values.God isn't real.

 

[fff8e7]

Because muh complex brain n sheit.

 

[Honest Truth]

Religion has never existed and has always been the default tool for controlling the masses and keeping enough average people alive for the workforce. There's no way to prove anything in religion exists, so it simply doesn't. With the arrival of the Internet, religion became completely useless and futile as a method of keeping some false sense of order on planet Earth.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Just ignore what I said
I asked if you're sincere and i got my answer

Whats the point of having a brain if you're not gonna use it?

You'd probably just say its an illusion if 'God' came to you

Welcome to why I ignore most Gaytheists.

No point arguing with them they unironically call us mentally ill but considering the majority of humanity has always believed and accepted there’s a creator even little kids imagery accept they are made by God tells anybody with a brain it’s idiots like @asdvek that are the ones with mental illness considering they literally went against logic just to believe in MUH SOHANCE

 

[normie tiktoker]

Loser hasn’t seen the world. Get out of your bedroom and see the world

 

[slaters]

This

 

[getratioedbozo]

God doesn't exist.

If it does, then he is very unfair.

Or he simply doesn't exist.

No in between.

Try doing sum researchs about ibn sina

 

[asdvek]

Loser hasn’t seen the world. Get out of your bedroom and see the world

Has goatis avi but is a muzzie

Dumb faggot, commit suicide pathetic fuck

 

[asdvek]

What is unfair?

You have to be seriously fucking retarded and dumb as shit to say that.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

You have to be seriously fucking retarded and dumb as shit to say that.

We can judge each other on what's fair but we cannot judge God. Whatever He does is surely fair.

 

[Liferuiner]

GOD = Genetics of Doom

God is an entity chads thank for their amazing lives and incels hate for their shit lives

Therefore God exists

Without GOD chads wouldn't be chads and incels wouldn't be incels

 

[asdvek]

We can judge each other on what's fair but we cannot judge God. Whatever He does is surely fair.

Tell that to the kids born deformed

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Tell that to the kids born deformed

It's fair

 

[asdvek]

It's fair

I spit and shit on your stupid children
You have a dumb ass family

 

[Lefty Rankin]

I spit and shit on your stupid children
You have a dumb ass family

Are they dumb?

 

[asdvek]

Are they dumb?

They're dumb as shit worthless piece of shits

 

[cadee]

God is "the greatest" by definition; God is the sum of all perfections—infinitude, immateriality, immutability, eternity, etc. Conceiving of God or the idea of God in this way is understandable to anyone who considers it.
Since extramental existence (existence in external reality) is a perfection, that which is known as "the greatest" (God) must exist not only as an idea in our mind but also outside of it. Ergo, God exists in our mind as an idea and in reality.

 

[iblamexyz]

God doesn't exist.

If it does, then he is very unfair.

Or he simply doesn't exist.

No in between.

what makes you think god would be fair

 

[normie tiktoker]

Has goatis avi but is a muzzie

Dumb faggot, commit suicide pathetic fuck

Muzzie nope

 

[LTNUser]

“B-bu-but there should be a creator right?” Stfu nigger.

If you need the fear of punishment to be good then are you really good

 

[batman1997]

He might exist he might not there isnt a certain answer to that.