Give me your opinion on hair systems

[User28823]

Scalp testosterone?

There's not a SINGLE source I can find where hair loss occurs from scalp testerone (if that's even a real thing)

There's only 1 known cause and that's DHT.

The only effect of high testosterone is it being converted to DHT.

Testosterone has no direct effect on hair loss.






Let's pretend that your "scalp testosterone" theory is true.

Here's the scenario:

Dalit takes finasteride.

Finasteride doesn't work because of "scalp testosterone"

Dalit loses all the hair on top

Dalit is NW7

So you are saying he should get a hair transplant?

Where is he going to get the hair to fully cover the top?



If this is your definition of NW7 men with full heads of hair

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You might as well as go for a hair system, because this looks like shit. SMP looks better than this.

oh man ur lower iq than i thought...

scalp testosterone is a known issue since fucking prehistoric days

Testosterone Also Causes Hair Loss, Not Just DHT - Blood Work Proof

Testosterone also cause hair loss, not just DHT. Testosterone exhibits a 2-fold selectivity for muscle to prostate and miniaturizes hair follicles.

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holy fuck please do not attempt to lecture when u have no idea what ur talking about its actually making me cringe

also mirin like by toupee wearing coper @N1666

 

[normie_joe]

oh man ur lower iq than i thought...

scalp testosterone is a known issue since fucking prehistoric days

Testosterone Also Causes Hair Loss, Not Just DHT - Blood Work Proof

Testosterone also cause hair loss, not just DHT. Testosterone exhibits a 2-fold selectivity for muscle to prostate and miniaturizes hair follicles.

moreplatesmoredates.com

holy fuck please do not attempt to lecture when u have no idea what ur talking about its actually making me cringe

also mirin like by toupee wearing coper @N1666

You link me a bro science page, are you serious?

Give me a proper authoritative source, not some YouTuber.

This is a video from a doctor



He specifically mentions that hair loss is caused by DHT if you have the hairloss gene that makes you sensitive to it.

The reason some men lose hair on Finisteride is not because of muh scalp testosterone, it's because some patients have hyper sensitivity and finasteride couldn't lower DHT levels enough (by blocking the enzyme that coverts test to DHT).

 

[User28823]

You link me a bro science page, are you serious?

Give me a proper authoritative source, not some YouTuber.

This is a video from a doctor



He specifically mentions that hair loss is caused by DHT if you have the hairloss gene that makes you sensitive to it.

The reason some men lose hair on Finisteride is not because of muh scalp testosterone, it's because some patients have hyper sensitivity and finasteride couldn't lower DHT levels enough (by blocking the enzyme that coverts test to DHT).

bro science page ?

u mean derek renowned as credited by legitimate medical doctors like peter attia?

yeah bud ur source of info is cooked u didn't even know scalp testosterone existed or was even a problem

 

[User28823]

You link me a bro science page, are you serious?

Give me a proper authoritative source, not some YouTuber.

This is a video from a doctor



He specifically mentions that hair loss is caused by DHT if you have the hairloss gene that makes you sensitive to it.

The reason some men lose hair on Finisteride is not because of muh scalp testosterone, it's because some patients have hyper sensitivity and finasteride couldn't lower DHT levels enough (by blocking the enzyme that coverts test to DHT).

also since u asked for a doctor (JFL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) here's a discussion between derek and peter attia (a DOCTOR OMG !!!!!!!!!) specifically discussing anti ANDROGENS, notice how derek specifically mentions topical anti androgens as supplementary to his already 5ar-inhibitor medications? wow it's almost as if testosterone being an androgen can also minituarize follicles or something ............

 

[appeal]

Nah I wouldn’t. Wait a little.
You can always use GHK-Cu for the meantime.

what age did you start roiding? did it benefit you? or you regret it?

 

[SteveRogers]

what age did you start roiding? did it benefit you? or you regret it?

19 (SARMs + MK677 + Prohormones - didn’t know at the time, was sold as LGD4033 lol), 22 (Test + IGF-1 + AIs).
Massive benefit. Genetically, I’m a waste of space honestly - I was 173cm 58kg at 17, that was after a year of training jfl, I think my peak before SARMs was 68kg or so - I remember I used to chug as much water as I could before stepping on the scale in order to tip it over to 70kg.
My first PED was either some random prohormone or superdrol or some shit - anyway I reacted wildly to it, in 2 months I was at 80kg with visible abs (and a bloated look however - my diet consisted of $1 McDonald’s hamburgers, like 16-20 a day no joke). After that I came off and lost most of it, so I started buying reputable SARMs and using those like 8 weeks on 20 weeks off for a few years which worked well.
I would have been 77kg at 182cm when I started 500mg test, in 2 months I was 92kg and benching 140kg (the most I ever did natural / with SARMs was 90) - incline DB was 70kg each hand, I had to use resistance bands to hold 20kg DBs on to the 50s lol - the reason why my bench and DB incline don’t make sense is likely cause I never benched and did mostly shoulder and upper chest since first stepping in a gym.
I was also using IGF-1 des and lr3 - pinned into my shoulders, upper lat and upper chest (where is connects to clavicle) 5x a week, like megadoses, to grow my bidelt, I still, to the day, have no idea how much I gained if any.
I did like 5 months of 500mg then since then 100-150mg TRT like until about 2 months ago where I stopped and started HCG + HMG, I haven’t trained since maybe early 2023 - retained a decent physique.
I don’t regret it now at all - the base I grew is substantial compared to my natural build.
Going forward I wouldn’t B+C ever again - but I do think it was VERY good for me to do. Once I recover from recent procedures I plan on building back to my peak 82kg-ish and retain that as best as I can naturally.
My only regret is that I never took photos at peak size, only once I stopped.

For you, I would without a doubt, at 18, so much to do, bonesmash + test + AI + MK677 only thing I’d add is HCG 3x weekly do this whole thing for maybe 3-6 months then add HMG once dropping the rest (continue HCG) for 2-3 months then a few weeks of enclo and you’re set - full recovery, you’ll have built a base that you could never take away, the bonesmashing alone will be giga mog etc.
Just do it responsibly and get blood work done.
It’s temporary, but the base is permanent if you do it young enough.

 

[appeal]

19 (SARMs + MK677 + Prohormones - didn’t know at the time, was sold as LGD4033 lol), 22 (Test + IGF-1 + AIs).
Massive benefit. Genetically, I’m a waste of space honestly - I was 173cm 58kg at 17, that was after a year of training jfl, I think my peak before SARMs was 68kg or so - I remember I used to chug as much water as I could before stepping on the scale in order to tip it over to 70kg.
My first PED was either some random prohormone or superdrol or some shit - anyway I reacted wildly to it, in 2 months I was at 80kg with visible abs (and a bloated look however - my diet consisted of $1 McDonald’s hamburgers, like 16-20 a day no joke). After that I came off and lost most of it, so I started buying reputable SARMs and using those like 8 weeks on 20 weeks off for a few years which worked well.
I would have been 77kg at 182cm when I started 500mg test, in 2 months I was 92kg and benching 140kg (the most I ever did natural / with SARMs was 90) - incline DB was 70kg each hand, I had to use resistance bands to hold 20kg DBs on to the 50s lol - the reason why my bench and DB incline don’t make sense is likely cause I never benched and did mostly shoulder and upper chest since first stepping in a gym.
I was also using IGF-1 des and lr3 - pinned into my shoulders, upper lat and upper chest (where is connects to clavicle) 5x a week, like megadoses, to grow my bidelt, I still, to the day, have no idea how much I gained if any.
I did like 5 months of 500mg then since then 100-150mg TRT like until about 2 months ago where I stopped and started HCG + HMG, I haven’t trained since maybe early 2023 - retained a decent physique.
I don’t regret it now at all - the base I grew is substantial compared to my natural build.
Going forward I wouldn’t B+C ever again - but I do think it was VERY good for me to do. Once I recover from recent procedures I plan on building back to my peak 82kg-ish and retain that as best as I can naturally.
My only regret is that I never took photos at peak size, only once I stopped.

For you, I would without a doubt, at 18, so much to do, bonesmash + test + AI + MK677 only thing I’d add is HCG 3x weekly do this whole thing for maybe 3-6 months then add HMG once dropping the rest (continue HCG) for 2-3 months then a few weeks of enclo and you’re set - full recovery, you’ll have built a base that you could never take away, the bonesmashing alone will be giga mog etc.
Just do it responsibly and get blood work done.
It’s temporary, but the base is permanent if you do it young enough.

appreciate this detailed response, thank you.

I’m on the Test right now, i started 12 days ago. 500mg a week. My brain is honestly spinning though, debating whether i made the right decision or i have fucked up.

My main concern isn’t even the fact i’m injecting, i don’t mind that at all, in fact im dosing it daily (about 75mg a day) since i enjoy pinning JFL (gives more stable blood levels anyway so provides some benefit) (maybe i was destined to be a drug addict). My concern is mainly hair and bloating. As soon as i hopped on test, my weight shot up and tbh went from clear defined hollows to standard bodybuilder bloated meatball look kinda, i do have a feeling diet is somewhat related to this since for the longest time now i have been on basically no or very low carb diet, since, after having done quite a bit of research here and else where i determined that to be the most ideal. I was told that it’s not a good diet on test and the day of injecting i started to indulge in carbs, so really i have no idea what to attribute the bloat to, wether the carbs or the test, tho its likely to be both since test is a wet compound at high doses at least, and carbs do bloat regardless of what anyone tells me.

And my hair. My balding genes are not ideal in the slightest, dad is bald and all of his brothers are also. Mums side is better and eveyone has their hair fully in tact tho, i am convinced i have my dads balding genes. I really have to make an educated decision on wether i should start blasting dut and nuke dht to save my hair from the potential of being fucking bald.

As you said, doing this can lead to some good permanent results i think. Despite what i said above about not minding pinning, i don’t see myself pinning every day for the rest of my life. Like thats more than 60 years or whatever assuming i make it that far.

It seems as though it’s something i’m gonna have to do for a few months, and bare with the bloating for a good while, but hopefully by summer i can hop off and will be in a better position than i am in now, if i still have my hair JFL or if i nuked the DHT (my head still spinning about this topic)

I do actually have HCG on hand, hopefully i’m not too late if i start taking it now. what’s the good dosage?


Do you attribute any bone growth you got to bonesmashing? Did you bloat on your test cycle?

 

[appeal]

19 (SARMs + MK677 + Prohormones - didn’t know at the time, was sold as LGD4033 lol), 22 (Test + IGF-1 + AIs).
Massive benefit. Genetically, I’m a waste of space honestly - I was 173cm 58kg at 17, that was after a year of training jfl, I think my peak before SARMs was 68kg or so - I remember I used to chug as much water as I could before stepping on the scale in order to tip it over to 70kg.
My first PED was either some random prohormone or superdrol or some shit - anyway I reacted wildly to it, in 2 months I was at 80kg with visible abs (and a bloated look however - my diet consisted of $1 McDonald’s hamburgers, like 16-20 a day no joke). After that I came off and lost most of it, so I started buying reputable SARMs and using those like 8 weeks on 20 weeks off for a few years which worked well.
I would have been 77kg at 182cm when I started 500mg test, in 2 months I was 92kg and benching 140kg (the most I ever did natural / with SARMs was 90) - incline DB was 70kg each hand, I had to use resistance bands to hold 20kg DBs on to the 50s lol - the reason why my bench and DB incline don’t make sense is likely cause I never benched and did mostly shoulder and upper chest since first stepping in a gym.
I was also using IGF-1 des and lr3 - pinned into my shoulders, upper lat and upper chest (where is connects to clavicle) 5x a week, like megadoses, to grow my bidelt, I still, to the day, have no idea how much I gained if any.
I did like 5 months of 500mg then since then 100-150mg TRT like until about 2 months ago where I stopped and started HCG + HMG, I haven’t trained since maybe early 2023 - retained a decent physique.
I don’t regret it now at all - the base I grew is substantial compared to my natural build.
Going forward I wouldn’t B+C ever again - but I do think it was VERY good for me to do. Once I recover from recent procedures I plan on building back to my peak 82kg-ish and retain that as best as I can naturally.
My only regret is that I never took photos at peak size, only once I stopped.

For you, I would without a doubt, at 18, so much to do, bonesmash + test + AI + MK677 only thing I’d add is HCG 3x weekly do this whole thing for maybe 3-6 months then add HMG once dropping the rest (continue HCG) for 2-3 months then a few weeks of enclo and you’re set - full recovery, you’ll have built a base that you could never take away, the bonesmashing alone will be giga mog etc.
Just do it responsibly and get blood work done.
It’s temporary, but the base is permanent if you do it young enough.

appreciate this detailed response, thank you.

I’m on the Test right now, i started 12 days ago. 500mg a week. My brain is honestly spinning though, debating whether i made the right decision or i have fucked up.

My main concern isn’t even the fact i’m injecting, i don’t mind that at all, in fact im dosing it daily (about 75mg a day) since i enjoy pinning JFL (gives more stable blood levels anyway so provides some benefit) (maybe i was destined to be a drug addict). My concern is mainly hair and bloating. As soon as i hopped on test, my weight shot up and tbh went from clear defined hollows to standard bodybuilder bloated meatball look kinda, i do have a feeling diet is somewhat related to this since for the longest time now i have been on basically no or very low carb diet, since, after having done quite a bit of research here and else where i determined that to be the most ideal. I was told that it’s not a good diet on test and the day of injecting i started to indulge in carbs, so really i have no idea what to attribute the bloat to, wether the carbs or the test, tho its likely to be both since test is a wet compound at high doses at least, and carbs do bloat regardless of what anyone tells me.

And my hair. My balding genes are not ideal in the slightest, dad is bald and all of his brothers are also. Mums side is better and eveyone has their hair fully in tact tho, i am convinced i have my dads balding genes. I really have to make an educated decision on wether i should start blasting dut and nuke dht to save my hair from the potential of being fucking bald.

As you said, doing this can lead to some good permanent results i think. Despite what i said above about not minding pinning, i don’t see myself pinning every day for the rest of my life. Like thats more than 60 years or whatever assuming i make it that far.

It seems as though it’s something i’m gonna have to do for a few months, and bare with the bloating for a good while, but hopefully by summer i can hop off and will be in a better position than i am in now, if i still have my hair JFL or if i nuked the DHT (my head still spinning about this topic)

I do actually have HCG on hand, hopefully i’m not too late if i start taking it now. what’s the good dosage?


Do you attribute any bone growth you got to bonesmashing? Did you bloat on your test cycle?

also should i spam chewing?

 

[SteveRogers]

appreciate this detailed response, thank you.

I’m on the Test right now, i started 12 days ago. 500mg a week. My brain is honestly spinning though, debating whether i made the right decision or i have fucked up.

My main concern isn’t even the fact i’m injecting, i don’t mind that at all, in fact im dosing it daily (about 75mg a day) since i enjoy pinning JFL (gives more stable blood levels anyway so provides some benefit) (maybe i was destined to be a drug addict). My concern is mainly hair and bloating. As soon as i hopped on test, my weight shot up and tbh went from clear defined hollows to standard bodybuilder bloated meatball look kinda, i do have a feeling diet is somewhat related to this since for the longest time now i have been on basically no or very low carb diet, since, after having done quite a bit of research here and else where i determined that to be the most ideal. I was told that it’s not a good diet on test and the day of injecting i started to indulge in carbs, so really i have no idea what to attribute the bloat to, wether the carbs or the test, tho its likely to be both since test is a wet compound at high doses at least, and carbs do bloat regardless of what anyone tells me.

And my hair. My balding genes are not ideal in the slightest, dad is bald and all of his brothers are also. Mums side is better and eveyone has their hair fully in tact tho, i am convinced i have my dads balding genes. I really have to make an educated decision on wether i should start blasting dut and nuke dht to save my hair from the potential of being fucking bald.

As you said, doing this can lead to some good permanent results i think. Despite what i said above about not minding pinning, i don’t see myself pinning every day for the rest of my life. Like thats more than 60 years or whatever assuming i make it that far.

It seems as though it’s something i’m gonna have to do for a few months, and bare with the bloating for a good while, but hopefully by summer i can hop off and will be in a better position than i am in now, if i still have my hair JFL or if i nuked the DHT (my head still spinning about this topic)

I do actually have HCG on hand, hopefully i’m not too late if i start taking it now. what’s the good dosage?


Do you attribute any bone growth you got to bonesmashing? Did you bloat on your test cycle?

I bloated so badly until an added a little aromasin, after that not a single pimple and retained hollows throughout. So yeah a mixture of carbs (eat them now btw; very good for your goal of growth - but as you’re aware, when your goal changes to anti ageing, lower the carbs)
Pinning daily = zero hair loss btw.
It’s the varying levels that nuke hair.
Long esters are best (like test undercat) are best for hair.
I never really bonesmashed, once I recover fully from fat grafting I will do it. But I’ve seen verified ungodly results tier results.
Yeah chewing with canines mogs - use an EMS device and place it on the lower masseters for optimal results.

 

[appeal]

I bloated so badly until an added a little aromasin, after that not a single pimple and retained hollows throughout.

i have aromasin on hand, haven’t used it once tho since i haven’t experienced high E sides. should i pop it anyway? if so what dose?

So yeah a mixture of carbs (eat them now btw; very good for your goal of growth - but as you’re aware, when your goal changes to anti ageing, lower the carbs)

got it, maybe this is why i haven’t grown in a year jfl. i feel i stopped eating carbs at that time jfl, maybe i will gain more height tho i highly highly doubt it. Any sort of carbs? like potatoes and shit or u suggest i just goy max which will bloat me for sure?

Pinning daily = zero hair loss btw.
It’s the varying levels that nuke hair.

that’s good, not the increase dht? i pin test E

I never really bonesmashed, once I recover fully from fat grafting I will do it. But I’ve seen verified ungodly results tier results.
Yeah chewing with canines mogs - use an EMS device and place it on the lower masseters for optimal results.

i never really delivered it tbh, but ever looked in to it. didn’t really see many compelling before and after but i’ll have a look around.

i will be chewing.

 

[SteveRogers]

i have aromasin on hand, haven’t used it once tho since i haven’t experienced high E sides. should i pop it anyway? if so what dose?

Lucky dip

got it, maybe this is why i haven’t grown in a year jfl. i feel i stopped eating carbs at that time jfl, maybe i will gain more height tho i highly highly doubt it. Any sort of carbs? like potatoes and shit or u suggest i just goy max which will bloat me for sure?

I only really eat potatoes but I just eat what I like, idc. For you yeah potatoes, rice, honey etc. I used to smash Rice Bubbles in raw milk when I was “blasting” and out maple syrup in raw milk like 8x a day.

that’s good, not the increase dht? i pin test E

Same, and yeah it is the DHT but something to do with the spike idk, stuff I was in to years ago but haven’t lost a strand of hair so sort of lost interest.
Copes that half work are sunflower oil onto scalp as well as GHK-Cu.

i never really delivered it tbh, but ever looked in to it. didn’t really see many compelling before and after but i’ll have a look around

I never needed it, but it is good either way.

 

[appeal]

Lucky dip

this a yes for popping the ai?

 

[appeal]

Lucky dip

I only really eat potatoes but I just eat what I like, idc. For you yeah potatoes, rice, honey etc. I used to smash Rice Bubbles in raw milk when I was “blasting” and out maple syrup in raw milk like 8x a day.

Same, and yeah it is the DHT but something to do with the spike idk, stuff I was in to years ago but haven’t lost a strand of hair so sort of lost interest.
Copes that half work are sunflower oil onto scalp as well as GHK-Cu.

I never needed it, but it is good either way.

I’m on the test now.
do you think it’s a good idea to go 4 or so weeks in a slight cut to shed bf then lean bulk for 4-5 months?

 

[SteveRogers]

I’m on the test now.
do you think it’s a good idea to go 4 or so weeks in a slight cut to shed bf then lean bulk for 4-5 months?

Yeah why not, lean is life

 

[vtribal]

hair systems are fine but with modern medication and healthcare if you let your hair recede to the point where fin/dut or a hair transplant are out the picture you are an idiot

 

[appeal]

hair systems are fine but with modern medication and healthcare if you let your hair recede to the point where fin/dut or a hair transplant are out the picture you are an idiot

agree duta is life