Going MGTOW is actually insanely appealing

[FutureSlayer]

Things are worse than ever, and will only get worse from this point

The modern world's convenience and access to information has totally destroyed the dynamics of relationships, and what to expect from them

You always have to be afraid that someone with better genetic, material and human resources than you can always contact her without you knowing on the internet, or that she will do that with someone, when she's sitting on the phone and you think she's just scrolling TikTok

The first second that you're not jestermaxxing around her, to entertain her, give her attention, touching her, tell jokes, ironies, play some music, dance with her, play with her, hugs, stories, talking about plans for today and week, etc. she'll get bored, at which point she'll get on the phone, and it can all go to hell from there..

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Not to mention that you constantly have to be in top tier form physically and hygienically around her
And you never know when or if it's enough..

You always have to think of new things, new ways to surprise and entertain her, new places to visit, new things to do, etc. especially when when she's sitting on social media and she sees so many new places, food, new things to do, and she tells you how awesome they are, and that she wants to, and you're in your mind like ''why can't we just chill for the moment, wtf?''

If you don't play her game, eventually you'll hear things like ''I feel like this relationship is going nowhere / we've both changed, and I think we want different things out of life'' etc.

In the past things were very simple and clear..

Do you want my attention? Sorry, my attention is limited, why? I have to allocate all my energy to work around the house, garden, animals, helping neighbors around the village etc. so we have something to fucking eat tomorrow

The only attention you'll get is when we eat at lunch and in the evening, and when I fuck you at night, and there's nothing you can do about it, you have no choice

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Are you bored? Just read those 5 books in the library that you've already read 15 times, or let's have some more babys to entertain you so you have something to do when the weather's bad outside, or just stay inside and rest and stare at the walls listening to the birds outside if you have nothing else to do, since you're done cleaning up and makeing food..

At that time every guy had a wife, and every wife had a husband. If it got out that somebody was cheating, the whole village found out, and you lost all the networking they offered you, necessary to survive..

She never had any demands from you, she didn't want to go to another village/city, she didn't want to go to restaurants, to do I don't know what activities. The fact that you were with her, shared the same house, slept in the same bed at night, and worked to provide food for her and the children was more than enough..

I could write books on these topics, but it's just over..

This model died in 1789, we’re 236 years late sir

 

[FutureSlayer]

It’s ex-relationship self-realisation ptsd.

elaborate please

 

[FutureSlayer]

then be a man and force her

You completely lost the point, you can’t force shit It’s society that needs to impose barriers

 

[Amnesia]

Ultimately when you project your LTR into the future you end up with an aged ugly woman you're tied to when as a man with money and kept his looks good can still bang 25 year olds forever

It just didn't make sense to me. Like in the moment right now you're both young and hot so you can put up with having only 1 woman in your life but that won't last forever

Plus I am still youthful enough to be able to bang teens, being in an LTR is a huge opportunity cost that I don't have forever to capitalize on

 

[chadcel;]

Ultimately when you project your LTR into the future you end up with an aged ugly woman you're tied to when as a man with money and kept his looks good can still bang 25 year olds forever

This is a very good point that Ive thought about too and it makes hard for me to justify investing time and energy into a relationship that I know just becomes less valuable for me as time goes on

Like I think a better play is to get married as an approx 40YO guy to a mid 20s or so woman and have your family then if you want to.

 

[Never Get Up]

You just have low T.

 

[infini]

elaborate please

It's a response to when you've loved and lost.

 

[spectrumaesthetics2]

Ultimately when you project your LTR into the future you end up with an aged ugly woman you're tied to when as a man with money and kept his looks good can still bang 25 year olds forever

It just didn't make sense to me. Like in the moment right now you're both young and hot so you can put up with having only 1 woman in your life but that won't last forever

Plus I am still youthful enough to be able to bang teens, being in an LTR is a huge opportunity cost that I don't have forever to capitalize on

Do you know people in happy LTRs? Do you know middle aged slayers who are happy vs who regret not pairing off when younger etc?

 

[looksmaxxed]

you must completely reorient your existence around maximizing your reproductive success. everything else is onanism

 

[Changmentum]

Just defeat your biological desire to procreate bro!

 

[einzigartig]

My htn gymcelled friend wants to just go mgtow and passport/hooker max then deal with girls bs. I talked him out of it but he feels there’s genuinely no hope these days.

You still have to deal with women’s bs even if your htn/chad you can’t escape it

you're*

 

[Amnesia]

Do you know people in happy LTRs? Do you know middle aged slayers who are happy vs who regret not pairing off when younger etc?

The majority of people are unhappy in general regardless. The mistake people make is thinking there is such a thing as happiness in this life when there isn't. Life is shit, life is suffering, life sucks

So you have to pick the less sucky path and to me that's being single forever, yes there are drawbacks but it's LESS WORSE than being legally tied so some aging nagging bitch

Just defeat your biological desire to procreate bro!

Unironically yes, use ur fucking logic to realize it's immoral and shitty to bring another human into the world

 

[spectrumaesthetics2]

The majority of people are unhappy in general regardless. The mistake people make is thinking there is such a thing as happiness in this life when there isn't. Life is shit, life is suffering, life sucks

So you have to pick the less sucky path and to me that's being single forever, yes there are drawbacks but it's LESS WORSE than being legally tied so some aging nagging bitch

Unironically yes, use ur fucking logic to realize it's immoral and shitty to bring another human into the world

I get your take, Better to Never Have Been by Benatar has a solid defense of anti natal stuff and wrecks the main natalist arguments

I’ve been sick since early Feb (never been sick this long WTF) and it just reminds me that life is perdition

You can force this existence upon another human being knowing that they will have miserable sick periods and everything else, yet don’t lose anything if they aren’t generated since they don’t even exist and can’t miss out. Bizarre to think abt

Tough when meaning has (besides religion) come from family and kids to find your way without these

 

[sluttysuzy420]

I can't think of a better way to have a more stress free life

If I went MGTOW, I'd have 0 cortisol

No more worrying about:
Not being GL enough
Not being high status enough
Being rich enough
Being exciting enough
Being stoic enough
Being gymcelled enough

ect ect

You could wake up, do whatever the fuck you want without having to live up to impossible standards, then slay whenever you feel like it

A single man is never fucking enough for women. They always want more.

No matter how hard you try or if you do everything right, they'll eventually get bored.

Even if you're a Maher tier slayer, after a certain amount of time, she'll be thinking of other slayers on that level. The other guy doesn't even need to be better than you, just different.

My brain has been fried from the amount of guys I've cucked online / irl. Women are fucking worthless. It's destroyed my trust completely.

Even if you get a gf who is 'loyal', she's still probably fantasizing about other slayers in her head, watching brutal porn on her phone or thinking about getting gang raped

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It's all so tiresome

Makes me want to be single so bad and go cope in the mountains with my friends

Fuck this life and fuck female nature

Also I hate being low sex appeal, it's fucking brutal

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MGTOW only works if u truly stop caring happens when u find a purpsoe greater than procreating its very hard but once u do its like reachinmg self actualization.

 

[forevergymcelling]

you must completely reorient your existence around maximizing your reproductive success. everything else is onanism

Just defeat your biological desire to procreate bro!

MGTOW only works if u truly stop caring happens when u find a purpsoe greater than procreating its very hard but once u do its like reachinmg self actualization.

I don’t want kids

 

[sub6manletnozygos]

The 2 of you talked about children, the idea of raising children, about responsibility, about this idea of home, family, extended family, having them come to you with children, you going to them with children, etc. and in general this lifestyle? How does she feel about it? Does she want that in the medium to long term?

I also had a bit of dialog with DeepSeek and Chatgpt on this topic, about why foids want this days to go to so many places and do so much useless shit, instead of just going on summer and winter vacations like normal people, and otherwise taking care of kids, meeting extended family members, sharing information and experiences, etc. that will help them

Their answers were giga suifuel, especially if you're an average guy who just works, chill and wants to have a salary above the average for his city, to have a house and a car of his own, even with debts, and 2-3 kids. Like you can just put a gun in your mouth at this point, it's not even worth trying..

Why can't every foid be just like this in 2025..

That is the only seemingly healthy (mentally and physically) and attractive family I've seen on youtube. The father and wife mog. They are living a fairy tale. Well done to them. If only more Europeans could be like them.

 

[phencyclidine]

why do you think pook went full mgtow after being with all the women he wanted to be with

 

[spectrumaesthetics2]

i recently ended my LTR of almost 2 years

It hurt the first week now I can't imagine EVER getting back into one

wow it feels so fucking good to not have any obligations. No dumb date nights where I have to plan or whatever

I wake up and can do ANYTHING, i can devote a whole two weeks to just gymcelling and getting back into shape or hop onto tinder and fuck a few 19 year olds or go out and pull some slag from a bar

Single life forever, and I'll just escortcel when I get too old to be able to pull. It is still MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE than a GF

Was there anything “wrong” with it/her per se besides the curtailment of freedoms?

 

[Amnesia]

Was there anything “wrong” with it/her per se besides the curtailment of freedoms?

no she was as close to ideal as u can get and I still yearned to just be single


met her when she was 18, she was white natural blonde hair blue eye, gym fit body would do anything I wanted sexually and let me check her phone on demand anytime I wanted. She didn't drink or party, had two close friends who I met and they were fine, she shared her location 24/7 and always checked in with me if she was going to a place she knew I wouldn't recognize, she never posted anytthing remotely slutty or thirst trap on social media, in fact she barely used it at all


She was ideal and I have nothing but great things to say about her


But at the end of the day I still don't regret it because I just love being alone and free all the time, even just having a date night or two in a week was annoying to me. I would rather play video games and rot alone instead

 

[Yliaster]

no she was as close to ideal as u can get and I still yearned to just be single


met her when she was 18, she was white natural blonde hair blue eye, gym fit body would do anything I wanted sexually and let me check her phone on demand anytime I wanted. She didn't drink or party, had two close friends who I met and they were fine, she shared her location 24/7 and always checked in with me if she was going to a place she knew I wouldn't recognize, she never posted anytthing remotely slutty or thirst trap on social media, in fact she barely used it at all


She was ideal and I have nothing but great things to say about her


But at the end of the day I still don't regret it because I just love being alone and free all the time, even just having a date night or two in a week was annoying to me. I would rather play video games and rot alone instead

Not even trying to patronizing you or anything but its possible that maybe your calling in life is to become a
Philosopher and write Books enlightening more Men about Life and the things they believe will make them
happy is in fact just an illusion

Can't speak for anyone else but your stories to me are always a breath of fresh air because it makes me realize
that even as a guy with everything who women throw themselves at that you yourself would rather be alone.

 

[Amnesia]

Not even trying to patronizing you or anything but its possible that maybe your calling in life is to become a
Philosopher and write Books enlightening more Men about Life and the things they believe will make them
happy is in fact just an illusion

Can't speak for anyone else but your stories to me are always a breath of fresh air because it makes me realize
that even as a guy with everything who women throw themselves at that you yourself would rather be alone.

i understand what you're saying and there are times where I do feel a strong NEED to at least do something productive in the sense of helping other humans. YOu may laugh at it but sometimes I feel some of my posts and knowledge I've shared here have helped some young men in their quest for the truth.

Unknowing to the forum users I actually have had some in depth DM exchanges with young guys needing help so in a way I can at least tell myself I am helping mentor some guys in need. Giving them some guidance that I wish I had when i was a teenager


But ultimately I do wanna do some other forms of help IRL. I dunno how that will manifest, it's something I pray on. I have an idea of what it might be

 

[got.daim]

true asf

 

[spectrumaesthetics2]

no she was as close to ideal as u can get and I still yearned to just be single


met her when she was 18, she was white natural blonde hair blue eye, gym fit body would do anything I wanted sexually and let me check her phone on demand anytime I wanted. She didn't drink or party, had two close friends who I met and they were fine, she shared her location 24/7 and always checked in with me if she was going to a place she knew I wouldn't recognize, she never posted anytthing remotely slutty or thirst trap on social media, in fact she barely used it at all


She was ideal and I have nothing but great things to say about her


But at the end of the day I still don't regret it because I just love being alone and free all the time, even just having a date night or two in a week was annoying to me. I would rather play video games and rot alone instead

This way of living and thinking idk man, I just hope these decisions are ones you can reflect on as optimal down the line w no regrets

 

[asdvek]

dnr not true nigggga

 

[Amnesia]

This way of living and thinking idk man, I just hope these decisions are ones you can reflect on as optimal down the line w no regrets

In the end we all die and probably very horribly too full of pain and suffering. And befoer that we probably also watch multiple loved ones die as well and not in a painless way. No what other choices we make in life we all have an extremely horrible fate we all are going to go through.

To me having a life partner feels like enslaving yourself to another persons responsibilities and problems and all the extra obligations that come with it. To me that outweighs any potential positives.

Hey, I'm not here to convice others not to have LTRs, I just always try to be honest with my own perspectives

 

[albanianblackguy]

i understand what you're saying and there are times where I do feel a strong NEED to at least do something productive in the sense of helping other humans. YOu may laugh at it but sometimes I feel some of my posts and knowledge I've shared here have helped some young men in their quest for the truth.

Unknowing to the forum users I actually have had some in depth DM exchanges with young guys needing help so in a way I can at least tell myself I am helping mentor some guys in need. Giving them some guidance that I wish I had when i was a teenager


But ultimately I do wanna do some other forms of help IRL. I dunno how that will manifest, it's something I pray on. I have an idea of what it might be

your stories made me more blackpill aware in a positive way like yes i understand it now and @forevergymcelling made me more blackpill aware in a way that makes me wanna kill myself

 

[spectrumaesthetics2]

In the end we all die and probably very horribly too full of pain and suffering. And befoer that we probably also watch multiple loved ones die as well and not in a painless way. No what other choices we make in life we all have an extremely horrible fate we all are going to go through.

To me having a life partner feels like enslaving yourself to another persons responsibilities and problems and all the extra obligations that come with it. To me that outweighs any potential positives.

Hey, I'm not here to convice others not to have LTRs, I just always try to be honest with my own perspectives

To me, this is less abt LTRs and more about this ilfeview in general, man

Your forgone conclusion that "Bc life is miserable > miserable life ending in old age you outline in your reply = what we do year-year does not really matter, and the epicurean mindset mogs" just does not seem definitively correct. Is this overarching view really that well-founded?

It's just that since you can to an extend choose from a variety of heuristics and paradigms in regard to big picture worldview, idk abt choosing one that is overall disempowering, depressing, and lending itself to hedonism and lack of meaning in the present

Also ik you talk about the God of the Bible as all based white people do, but if you do believe in this actually, I think there is a pretty severe disconnect between that and then your frameworks of viewing life on earth in general

 

[Amnesia]

To me, this is less abt LTRs and more about this ilfeview in general, man

Your forgone conclusion that "Bc life is miserable > miserable life ending in old age you outline in your reply = what we do year-year does not really matter, and the epicurean mindset mogs" just does not seem definitively correct. Is this overarching view really that well-founded?

It's just that since you can to an extend choose from a variety of heuristics and paradigms in regard to big picture worldview, idk abt choosing one that is overall disempowering, depressing, and lending itself to hedonism and lack of meaning in the present

Also ik you talk about the God of the Bible as all based white people do, but if you do believe in this actually, I think there is a pretty severe disconnect between that and then your frameworks of viewing life on earth in general

I talk of Jesus, he beat death, and if there IS a savior of souls, out of all the gods through history I am betting on Him. So yes I believe it. Jesus Himself didnt marry or have kids and talked in depth about the suffering of this life and how people are dumb and he cried a lot about the despair of living

He peaced out at 33


No one can be completely objective but for me my life easily peaked during childhood. 12-14 years old was the best time in my life and knowing nothing will ever compare to that period of having close friends and no responsibilities is hard to cope with. No adult pleasures compare to being a kid with a group of friends

So after my peak as a teen all there is is watching my family of loved ones grow old and suffer and die. What is there to look forward to? Satan is the god of this world and we live in a society that is ruled by criminal psychos. I hold strong to the fact that its misery and bringing a kid into the world is an act of evil and morally wrong

 

[spectrumaesthetics2]

I talk of Jesus, he beat death, and if there IS a savior of souls, out of all the gods through history I am betting on Him. So yes I believe it. Jesus Himself didnt marry or have kids and talked in depth about the suffering of this life and how people are dumb and he cried a lot about the despair of living

He peaced out at 33


No one can be completely objective but for me my life easily peaked during childhood. 12-14 years old was the best time in my life and knowing nothing will ever compare to that period of having close friends and no responsibilities is hard to cope with. No adult pleasures compare to being a kid with a group of friends

So after my peak as a teen all there is is watching my family of loved ones grow old and suffer and die. What is there to look forward to? Satan is the god of this world and we live in a society that is ruled by criminal psychos. I hold strong to the fact that its misery and bringing a kid into the world is an act of evil and morally wrong

My peak was school during age 11 (w some good yrs before this too). Amazing year in every way. Is what it is, no year after has been the same.
I have struggled to reconcile antinatalist viewpoints, whether intuitive or from Benatar's high IQ book on this, with biblical teachings on this as well. As in we dont want to add to the suffering of the world, yet the Bible wants people to do this in faith as part of God's greater plan, etc. still have not figured out how to balance these views. Or maybe when the Bible talks about the type of people that aren't "called" to have kids, maybe people strongly influenced by these views such that them having a child rn would actually yield sadness/guilt/regret fall under that umbrella. Tough