Growth Hormone for Height is Cope - The Truth about Heightmaxxing

[idnap]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

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Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

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are we just going to completley ignore looxs transformation?
and this is such a polarizing thread to like every other looksmaxxers words on hgh theres a lot of people seeming to be getting gains on it, a lot of praise for hgh w whatever sciencecel slop theyre talking about, surely theres decent truth to that side too, i dont think this is conclusive to just make everyone rope
also i just had Chatgpt analyze the entire article you sent the kids were on ~0.9iu/bodyweight kg so 30kg/7 = is like 4 IU daily, and over the course of an year gaining an inch in height is pretty good, thats no where near the danger levels of 12iu/daily that some lab rats talk about

the study also never said anything about the exact brand of the vials, how much IU each patient got per injection daily, it just stuck with mg/kg/week

like you said the study was also done on literal bottom 1-2% shortest turbomanlets for their age, and knowing how complex our body knows who fucking knows what other underlying issues could've been nerfing them, I don't think its fair to say that because these extremely rare group of manlet kids getting put on 4iu injections and gaining 1 inch/yr means HGH is a cope method,

the study wasn't done on normal boys who are like 5'7 - 5'9 for their age, rather it was done on 5'0 to 5'3 turbomanlets, just imagine how much more differently the more normal boys for the age group like 5'7 to 5'9 would've reacted to it compared to the turbomanlet 4'11s, which would've been better since most of us here who want to heightmax fall into the 5'7 to 5'10 territory wanting to get to 6'0+

Also again look at loox the dude just doubled in height and frame i doubt thats genetics

 

[idnap]

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.​

"Height is determined by 12000 genes"
You just throw that statistic out there like okay, well let me throw a statistic at you
North Koreans on average are 3 inches shorter than their South Korean counterparts
They're basically the same people

???

 

[Org3cel ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

View attachment 4127083

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

​

Why would teenagers do allat when they can get 4 inches from lifts

"Height is determined by 12000 genes"
You just throw that statistic out there like okay, well let me throw a statistic at you
North Koreans on average are 3 inches shorter than their South Korean counterparts
They're basically the same people

???

This is the study he is reffering to:

Scientists Uncover Nearly All Genetic Variants Linked to Height

Largest genome-wide association study achieves ‘the impossible’

hms.harvard.edu

@MyDreamIsToBe183CM

 

[Aryan Incel]

Inb4 botb

 

[avenox]

So I guess the only way to actually grow taller is to try and good good nutrtion, if that doesn’t work then I will kill myself, I will still take HGH even if it doesn’t work maybe something will happen.

 

[william.]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

View attachment 4127083

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

​

Idiopathic Short Stature: The FDA and Its High-Stakes Conceptual Quagmires. Lionel Messi is perhaps the world's most celebrated soccer player. Despite standing only 5'6”, the Argentinian striker is strong, fast, and impossibly skilled. However, as a child, doctors predicted he wouldn't grow any taller than 4'7”.

 

[heightmaxxing]

BAD NEWS NIGGAS
@MyDreamIsToBe183CM
@Zagro
@heightmaxxing

Ive just accepted im 5,8 for life now

 

[Zagro]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

View attachment 4127083

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

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Brah i don’t understand why you made this thread though, you claim “Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all” but in the same thread you also mention that they do actually influence it.

Also aren’t all of these:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
​

Caused when you nuke your E2 levels to an absolute minimum or close? Temporarily stunting brain development yeah, but the rest mostly come when you lower it to a minimum no? I was using exemestane 12.5mg ED with gear and peptides and didn’t experience any of these (got bloodwork weekly for a month straight on and also off stack) other than the mental problems which also could be because i hopped off whilst in the middle of a blast. I’m literally on 12.5mg EOD without a singular AAS nor a peptide (i know it’s retarded) and i still haven’t gotten any of these sides.

I have ran 16iu ED and if my parents haven’t caught me for it i could have ran it as long as i want literally at 15yo and could afford it easily. The quality changes are negligible no? Maybe that pharma-grade hgh or even generic ones bloat or cause less water weight and some differences in kDa and Kd.

And also it did work and i grew after a period of not seeing any noticeable difference in height, although of course i have no way of proving that the growth was because of the hgh but it is logical to think that it is. Also personally 2-3cms are not a small amount of growth even if this is the average of how most would respond, considering how much of a difference an expensive procedure like LL provides which is like 6-8cms most of the time (depending on what kind of LL it is).

I don’t mean to disrespect you or whatever by the way its just that i personally think that you’re exaggerating most things

 

[Abdullahm06]

Everything is cope looksmaxing is cope whyu do we even do this anymore its all pointless up until surgeries

every looksmaxxer reaches this conclusion eventually
all of this softmaxxing shit to go up half a subtier
once you get lean and fix health indicators everything else will make negligible difference

 

[peptidecel10]

Also man if I microdose AI like I will take like 500 test like I think I told you about switching between AI so you get less of the neuro side effects also having selank/semax

Is any way I can still have an OK brain health while on 500 test

Is seems that theres no way or maybe dont take AI for a few days so your E2 still gets into your body but not long enough so you get gyno

selank and semax usually only work with people with pre-existing medical conditions like alzheimer's, osavampator has no side effects and works on healthy males with no pre-existing conditions
I'd explain how it works but I'm too lazy

 

[peptidecel10]

Brah i don’t understand why you made this thread though, you claim “Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all” but in the same thread you also mention that they do actually influence it.

Also aren’t all of these:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
​

Caused when you nuke your E2 levels to an absolute minimum or close? Temporarily stunting brain development yeah, but the rest mostly come when you lower it to a minimum no? I was using exemestane 12.5mg ED with gear and peptides and didn’t experience any of these (got bloodwork weekly for a month straight on and also off stack) other than the mental problems which also could be because i hopped off whilst in the middle of a blast. I’m literally on 12.5mg EOD without a singular AAS nor a peptide (i know it’s retarded) and i still haven’t gotten any of these sides.

I have ran 16iu ED and if my parents haven’t caught me for it i could have ran it as long as i want literally at 15yo and could afford it easily. The quality changes are negligible no? Maybe that pharma-grade hgh or even generic ones bloat or cause less water weight and some differences in kDa and Kd.

And also it did work and i grew after a period of not seeing any noticeable difference in height, although of course i have no way of proving that the growth was because of the hgh but it is logical to think that it is. Also personally 2-3cms are not a small amount of growth even if this is the average of how most would respond, considering how much of a difference an expensive procedure like LL provides which is like 6-8cms most of the time (depending on what kind of LL it is).

I don’t mean to disrespect you or whatever by the way its just that i personally think that you’re exaggerating most things

isn't one of the few differences between pharma and generic the additives like mannitol which is used to dry the powder quicker
(btw it causes skin inflammation and is a diuretic)

 

[orangomango2003]

as someone formerly diagnosed with idiopathic short stature (5'7 now), i've been saying this for years. growth hormone is the biggest cope in the looksmax community. there are good reasons why genetics can't be cheated. humans (women) need to be able to select for the superior genes, but when drugs make every man taller they can't select for the superior genes.

 

[Zagro]

isn't one of the few differences between pharma and generic the additives like mannitol which is used to dry the powder quicker
(btw it causes skin inflammation and is a diuretic)

Yeah that is possibly one of them but it all depends on the vendors, i believe that mostly Chinese vendors have to cut off money with any possible way as to why it’s so cheap compared to other sources or pharma.

 

[peptidecel10]

Yeah that is possibly one of them but it all depends on the vendors, i believe that mostly Chinese vendors have to cut off money with any possible way as to why it’s so cheap compared to other sources or pharma.

yea the use alot of additives to be able to produce it faster, quicker and more effeciently so that's why its so much cheaper

 

[peptidecel10]

im 15 and I'm broke
if somebody could fund me I'd test this out like a lab rat

I'm alr 6' 3" so I don't mind closing my growth plates

 

[Luca_.]

Bookmarked so I can send to greys

 

[SlayerJonas]

Also man if I microdose AI like I will take like 500 test like I think I told you about switching between AI so you get less of the neuro side effects also having selank/semax

Is any way I can still have an OK brain health while on 500 test

Is seems that theres no way or maybe dont take AI for a few days so your E2 still gets into your body but not long enough so you get gyno

Only take an AI once you get high E2 sides, it's a really simple principle. Many people including me don't get high E2 symptoms on high doses of test, especially not on test prop. Also stay lean.

Why acromegaly patients have overdeveloped facial bones and insane height tho ?

Both gigantism and acromegaly make you look deformed. Also if it was that replicable most professional bodybuilders using copious amounts of GH/insulin combined with androgens would change drastically skull-wise.

are we just going to completley ignore looxs transformation?
and this is such a polarizing thread to like every other looksmaxxers words on hgh theres a lot of people seeming to be getting gains on it, a lot of praise for hgh w whatever sciencecel slop theyre talking about, surely theres decent truth to that side too, i dont think this is conclusive to just make everyone rope
also i just had Chatgpt analyze the entire article you sent the kids were on ~0.9iu/bodyweight kg so 30kg/7 = is like 4 IU daily, and over the course of an year gaining an inch in height is pretty good, thats no where near the danger levels of 12iu/daily that some lab rats talk about

the study also never said anything about the exact brand of the vials, how much IU each patient got per injection daily, it just stuck with mg/kg/week

like you said the study was also done on literal bottom 1-2% shortest turbomanlets for their age, and knowing how complex our body knows who fucking knows what other underlying issues could've been nerfing them, I don't think its fair to say that because these extremely rare group of manlet kids getting put on 4iu injections and gaining 1 inch/yr means HGH is a cope method,

the study wasn't done on normal boys who are like 5'7 - 5'9 for their age, rather it was done on 5'0 to 5'3 turbomanlets, just imagine how much more differently the more normal boys for the age group like 5'7 to 5'9 would've reacted to it compared to the turbomanlet 4'11s, which would've been better since most of us here who want to heightmax fall into the 5'7 to 5'10 territory wanting to get to 6'0+

Also again look at loox the dude just doubled in height and frame i doubt thats genetics

Loox reopened his growth plates at 18/19, you are a genius.

Regurgitated praise for GH from teenagers on here that never touched it or never got results is a strong scientific argument for GH therapy working. This disproves the meta-analysis so hard.

GPT got this wrong also, 4.2-12IU is the equivalent dose for 70kg adolescents.



The underlying issues are part of the inclusion criteria for the studies.



50th percentile height adolescents don't react better to GH therapy in comparison to turbo manlets, the opposite would be rather logical to assume.

"Height is determined by 12000 genes"
You just throw that statistic out there like okay, well let me throw a statistic at you
North Koreans on average are 3 inches shorter than their South Korean counterparts
They're basically the same people

The link on the text saying this is literally blue and clickable.

but in the same thread you also mention that they do actually influence it.

The thread is on purpose short, the title is an exaggeration.

Also aren’t all of these:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems
​

Caused when you nuke your E2 levels to an absolute minimum or close?

Adolescents that aren't even on TRT blasting AIs are more likely to crush their E2 than to keep it "balanced". Just because you don't notice sides doesn't mean E2 doesn't benefit these tissues, this would rather mean you react well to E2...

Temporarily stunting brain development yeah, but the rest mostly come when you lower it to a minimum no? I was using exemestane 12.5mg ED with gear and peptides

Exemestanes metabolite is literally very androgenic.

An equivalent argument would be "I've blasted masteron and not lost hair".

could afford it easily.

Very weird brag, not every 15yo can afford 16IU GH ed.

And also it did work and i grew after a period of not seeing any noticeable difference in height, although of course i have no way of proving that the growth was because of the hgh but it is logical to think that it is.

It isn't logical, especially not after you acknowledged yourself that there is no way to prove it was the GH. It mostly speeds up growth velocity.

Also personally 2-3cms are not a small amount of growth even if this is the average of how most would respond, considering how much of a difference an expensive procedure like LL provides which is like 6-8cms most of the time (depending on what kind of LL it is).

2-3cm after years of blasting high dose GH isn't a good trade-off for the things you give for it: A ton of money, pinning GH for years and being permabloated, + the tons of other side effects you have to manage like your heart, mTOR being constantly hammered, organ growth, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.

That isn't a good trade-off.

as someone formerly diagnosed with idiopathic short stature (5'7 now), i've been saying this for years. growth hormone is the biggest cope in the looksmax community. there are good reasons why genetics can't be cheated. humans (women) need to be able to select for the superior genes, but when drugs make every man taller they can't select for the superior genes.

Genetics are impossible to be frauded in the sense of growing past the genetic ceiling because height growth is too complex, not so that women can select more easily for the superior genes.

"Yeah, the genetic ceiling is determined by how well your body can use the GH/IGF-1 meaning downstream growth factor expression, how well chondrocytes respond to them, etc."

Bookmarked so I can send to greys

@Magnum Opus @chadisbeingmade

 

[Noesis]

 

[Daddy's Home]

''Just be born from a 5'10+ girl bro..''

 

[Deleted member 153567]

I heard taking an AI with gh is stupid because without e2 u wont be able to recept the gh or something like that

this is only true for gh secretagogues (Cjc, ipa, ghrh) to a certain extent, e2 levels are positively correlated to the intensity of growth hormone spikes, doenst mean it doesnt work without the high estrogen

 

[idnap]

Loox reopened his growth plates at 18/19, you are a genius.

From what ive seen on the org theres no evidence that suggests that his growth plates ever did close at 18/19, they could have very well just stayed open.
and even then, i dont even get your point, youre not acknowledging the fact that hes doubled his frame and height and went into acromegaly likely from roids and hgh and prolly got taller too from what ive seen in photos

Regurgitated praise for GH from teenagers on here that never touched it or never got results is a strong scientific argument for GH therapy working. This disproves the meta-analysis so hard.

I'm just as smart as what everyone talks about on HGH, I plan on getting on some too soon to try and heightmaxx myself.

GPT got this wrong also, 4.2-12IU is the equivalent dose for 70kg adolescents.


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I'm confused so what are you suggesting

The underlying issues are part of the inclusion criteria for the studies.


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50th percentile height adolescents don't react better to GH therapy in comparison to turbo manlets, the opposite would be rather logical to assume.

Well do they though, it literally says the turbomanlets are at normal HGH levels but are literally turbomanlets, that literally is a direct correlation with reacting worse to HGH theraphy and HGH altogether in comparison to just a normal heighted teen taking HGH

The link on the text saying this is literally blue and clickable.

Aight bro

Regardless, the name is literally Human Growth Hormone, the hormone at its best bet will just grow your body more, i mean its in the fucking name, you're obviously much more educated on this than me, you should be the one condoning it rather than fear mongering it

 

[zemult]

I took growth hormone and went from 5'2 to 6'4

 

[Zagro]

The thread is on purpose short, the title is an exaggeration.

Adolescents that aren't even on TRT blasting AIs are more likely to crush their E2 than to keep it "balanced". Just because you don't notice sides doesn't mean E2 doesn't benefit these tissues, this would rather mean you react well to E2...

Yeah but isn't this like caused by their idiocy, like if they have been blasting it without a single compound that aromatises its pretty easy to nuke E2. Also the reason i said i didn't notice any sides was because my skin quality was the same, i had no acne, builded muscle even better because of the gear and also the gh, my liver and kidneys were fine, no idea about the lipids though so there may have been some damage to there but i can't know for sure, didn't experience any joint pain but again i can't know if it has affected my bone tissue as I'd probably need a DEXA scan for that and at last no hair loss. What my point here is that most people aren't going to get the whole package of side effects on just an aromatase inhibitor and there are many people who make logs for their hgh and ai usage on the forum, but yeah you aren't wrong those sides are all possible when nuked and yeah long-term usage of it will most likely impact organs but thats why you gotta get check-ups.

Exemestanes metabolite is literally very androgenic.

An equivalent argument would be "I've blasted masteron and not lost hair".

Yeah fair but i just wanted to say that it isn't guaranteed and not that common with an AI I'd suppose but masteron is a whole another story.

Very weird brag, not every 15yo can afford 16IU GH ed.

Not a brag, i was trying to tell you that it is possible for even a 15yo to afford 16iu HGH ED. I didn't even have a job at the time but if you just get employed, try your best to earn money be it selling thing you don't use anymore, monetising your skills and a whole lotta other shit you will surely afford it. My only advantage would be that i live in a first world country but in some situations this makes it even harder to earn money or changes the accessibility of the compounds itself.

It isn't logical, especially not after you acknowledged yourself that there is no way to prove it was the GH. It mostly speeds up growth velocity.

2-3cm after years of blasting high dose GH isn't a good trade-off for the things you give for it: A ton of money, pinning GH for years and being permabloated, + the tons of other side effects you have to manage like your heart, mTOR being constantly hammered, organ growth, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc.

That isn't a good trade-off.

Imo it is logical and i do have to be realistic there isn't any way i can prove the growth is caused by the HGH or AI.

2-3cm should be the bare minimum if you blast high doses of HGH for years with an aromatase inhibitor, its not a ton of money compared to the 80-120k for LL, you should be on a caloric surplus eitherway so the bloat isn't going to change much.

You're kinda exaggerating everything up a little bit personally bro and also again no disrespect you my nigga

 

[Zagro]

From what ive seen on the org theres no evidence that suggests that his growth plates ever did close at 18/19, they could have very well just stayed open.
and even then, i dont even get your point, youre not acknowledging the fact that hes doubled his frame and height and went into acromegaly likely from roids and hgh and prolly got taller too from what ive seen in photos

Androgenic claims that he hasn't even used HGH, you can also not get acromegaly from roids or even HGH if not fully abused. On top of that he didn't double his height it was only a few inches of difference which is pretty natural.

I'm just as smart as what everyone talks about on HGH, I plan on getting on some too soon to try and heightmaxx myself.

I would suggest you don't if the sole reason is because some other random guy claims he ascended from it (he didn't even use it).

Well do they though, it literally says the turbomanlets are at normal HGH levels but are literally turbomanlets, that literally is a direct correlation with reacting worse to HGH theraphy and HGH altogether in comparison to just a normal heighted teen taking HGH

Think about it, there should be a reason why they ended up as a turbomanlet in the first place. There is most likely an underlying issue as to why they're so short and this can be because of multiple conditions like GHD, hypopituitarism, hypogonadism etc. This would mean that they should respond way better to GH therapy rather than a healthy individual.

 

[SlayerJonas]

the fact that hes doubled his frame

= Muscle mass

and height

= Boots and shoe lifts

and went into acromegaly

= Fillers

that literally is a direct correlation with reacting worse to HGH theraphy and HGH altogether in comparison to just a normal heighted teen taking HGH

= The whole point of ISS is that the cause of short stature isn't easily identified

the name is literally Human Growth Hormone

I won't reply any further, all stupid points

Yeah but isn't this like caused by their idiocy

1. Most people are retarded, if you give public advice = reach mostly people that are retarded = JFL if you think they're getting blood tests to get their serum E2 to a specific level
2. Most people have rather low/mid E2

because my skin quality was the same, i had no acne, builded muscle even better because of the gear and also the gh, my liver and kidneys were fine, no idea about the lipids though so there may have been some damage to there but i can't know for sure, didn't experience any joint pain but again i can't know if it has affected my bone tissue as I'd probably need a DEXA scan for that and at last no hair loss

So you're the outlier not even getting androgenic sides from gear and using it as an argument, this isn't a point

What my point here is that most people aren't going to get the whole package of side effects on just an aromatase inhibitor and there are many people who make logs for their hgh and ai usage on the forum, but yeah you aren't wrong those sides are all possible when nuked and yeah long-term usage of it will most likely impact organs but thats why you gotta get check-ups

Everything can be done in a smart way, most people are never going to get blood tests, regular check-ups
I'm not blaming AIs, I'm blaming wrong usage of AIs

Not a brag, i was trying to tell you that it is possible for even a 15yo to afford 16iu HGH ED. I didn't even have a job at the time but if you just get employed, try your best to earn money be it selling thing you don't use anymore, monetising your skills and a whole lotta other shit you will surely afford it. My only advantage would be that i live in a first world country but in some situations this makes it even harder to earn money or changes the accessibility of the compounds itself.


Imo it is logical and i do have to be realistic there isn't any way i can prove the growth is caused by the HGH or AI.

2-3cm should be the bare minimum if you blast high doses of HGH for years with an aromatase inhibitor, its not a ton of money compared to the 80-120k for LL, you should be on a caloric surplus eitherway so the bloat isn't going to change much.

You're kinda exaggerating everything up a little bit personally bro and also again no disrespect you my nigga

No reason to be in a caloric surplus after puberty ends for the most part, imagine being looksminned while being an adolescent and during your school years

Nobody will want to put in the effort, consistency and be exposed to the side effects GH treatment for years requires = dogshit option = LL or death

 

[VrillFatNoob24]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

View attachment 4127083

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

​

so i need to use more Iu's and more androgens? Intresting

 

[TitusA]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

View attachment 4127083

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

​

Think the argument is more is it worth the tradeoffs. For some people maybe and for others no and the problem is you wont know what category you fall into until years later when potentially the damage is done and money is blown.

Same with growth of facial bones which I for sure got and it is commented on by literally everybody who knows me and my (identical)twin brother including the dentist we share who explained thats likely why I have small gaps between my teeth when he doesnt (People with small jaw relative to teeth develop crowding and wider jaw relative to teeth it goes the opposite way. Downside is Is I will probably die a decade before him and even in those that get these changes may end up just getting more ugly.

The negatives could be very large and the benefits very small if not none-existant.

 

[drio]

Will gh grow my subhuman micropenis

Androgens will

 

[Whirr22222]

= Muscle mass

= Boots and shoe lifts

= Fillers

= The whole point of ISS is that the cause of short stature isn't easily identified

I won't reply any further, all stupid points

1. Most people are retarded, if you give public advice = reach mostly people that are retarded = JFL if you think they're getting blood tests to get their serum E2 to a specific level
2. Most people have rather low/mid E2

So you're the outlier not even getting androgenic sides from gear and using it as an argument, this isn't a point

Everything can be done in a smart way, most people are never going to get blood tests, regular check-ups
I'm not blaming AIs, I'm blaming wrong usage of AIs

No reason to be in a caloric surplus after puberty ends for the most part, imagine being looksminned while being an adolescent and during your school years

Nobody will want to put in the effort, consistency and be exposed to the side effects GH treatment for years requires = dogshit option = LL or death

Ive always thought loox is a bit of a clown for the way he acts but I dont think he has gotten fillers tbh. Theres tons of vids of him smashing his cheekbones and chin post "ascension" which wouldnt really make sense if he had radiesse under it lol. Not saying he looks good by any measure, but something definitely did change.

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Steroids/peptides don't influence height/facial bones significantly/at all

The meta-analysis Finkelstein et al. (2002) puts the final nail in the coffin

It's about GH treatment for growth velocity and adult height in children

Inclusion criteria for studies are:

- Idiopathic short stature (turbo manlet for reason 404) <10th percentile height
- Normal GH levels
- No other illnesses
-> Mostly applicable study design
-> In total data of 1089 patients

GH was used at 0.14 to 0.40 mg/kg per week for a minimum of 6 months:

- Daily dose for a 30kg child: 1.8-5.1IU
-> Translated dose for a 70kg adolescent: 4.2-12IU ed

Growth velocity was increased for the GH group by 1. year: 2.86 ± 0.37 cm/y, 2. year: 2.36 ± 0.36 cm/y > control group

GH group increased adult height by 5-6cm > control group

View attachment 4126746

What this mean nigga? View attachment 4126834

- Increasing adult height as a ~7yo turbo manlet requires megadoses of GH for years
-> You won't grow a molecule with your "stack"

Additional suifuel:

- Generic GH (~$1-1.5/IU) > UGL GH (~$0.3-0.5/IU) in terms of effectivity due to quality (debatable)
-> Even higher dosages above 12IU required, meaning even higher costs

The truth: Height is determined by ~12000 genes.

Spoiler: Bonus: "Why not combine it with an aromatase inhibitor?"

Because estradiol is important for a ton of tissues/organs. Would you try your luck to become 2-3cm taller in exchange for:

- Stunted brain development, neurotoxicity
- Spinal issues, problems with bones in general
- Nuked lipid profile
- Raped liver and kidneys
- Worse muscle hypertrophy,
- Trash skin quality, worse with exemestane
- Hair loss, even worse with exemestane
- Mental problems

This means keeping E2 on the higher range comes with much better benefits.

View attachment 4127083

Spoiler: Tags

@chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Magnum Opus @imontheloose @Randomized Shame

​

Brutal, over for PubertyMaxxers

So there is NO benefit in taking ANY exogenous hormones during your teens for aesthetic / physical benefits? No HGH, no LR3, no AI, nothing? Just basic softmaxxes?

And what are your thoughts on DHT for penile growth during adolescence

 

[peptidecel10]

if your gonna be taking DHT than you won't need even a microdose of AI because DHT doesn't aromatize

 

[peptidecel10]

Brutal, over for PubertyMaxxers

So there is NO benefit in taking ANY exogenous hormones during your teens for aesthetic / physical benefits? No HGH, no LR3, no AI, nothing? Just basic softmaxxes?

And what are your thoughts on DHT for penile growth during adolescence

I think your talking about applying dht serum directly on your penis

 

[Brian Weber]

Also this study is done on people who already naturally don’t respond well to GH thats why they are short to begin with. So if you implement hgh and u don’t have this condition theoretically the gains could be greater

 

[Deleted member 208062]

Incredible how you can show people a meta-analysis and get responses such as "it's literally in the name broo, GROWTH hormone!"

 

[SlayerJonas]

Think the argument is more is it worth the tradeoffs. For some people maybe and for others no and the problem is you wont know what category you fall into until years later when potentially the damage is done and money is blown.

Same with growth of facial bones which I for sure got and it is commented on by literally everybody who knows me and my (identical)twin brother including the dentist we share who explained thats likely why I have small gaps between my teeth when he doesnt (People with small jaw relative to teeth develop crowding and wider jaw relative to teeth it goes the opposite way. Downside is Is I will probably die a decade before him and even in those that get these changes may end up just getting more ugly.

The negatives could be very large and the benefits very small if not none-existant.

It's very noticable in your post history how the age you claim you hopped on varies by years, so do the cycles.

Your only point in all of my threads is that the whole world around you pointed out: "Woah, your facial bones changed, mirin gonial angle."

Ive always thought loox is a bit of a clown for the way he acts but I dont think he has gotten fillers tbh

He got fillers and cosmetic procedures, his family members are very tall according to him as well.

Brutal, over for PubertyMaxxers

So there is NO benefit in taking ANY exogenous hormones during your teens for aesthetic / physical benefits? No HGH, no LR3, no AI, nothing? Just basic softmaxxes?

Exactly, rather only negatives. It should be a nobrainer to not touch exogenous hormones as a kid.

And what are your thoughts on DHT for penile growth during adolescence

Good linkage between both topics. Supraphysiological amounts of DHT just won't contribute to "supraphysiological gains" in terms of penile growth. There are also studies where children with micropenis used DHT gel long-term and their penile growth only improved marginally, they never improved significantly.

Anyway before puberty and during puberty it doesn't work, after puberty it works even less. The ARs stop causing the same downstream factors that would usually cause penile growth, same with other signal pathways. They basically "freeze" for that purpose.

if your gonna be taking DHT than you won't need even a microdose of AI because DHT doesn't aromatize

Looks like you started browsing BOTB, nobody cares about these water insights. No need to looksmin with DHT during puberty.

Also this study is done on people who already naturally don’t respond well to GH thats why they are short to begin with. So if you implement hgh and u don’t have this condition theoretically the gains could be greater

That's not true, the study is done on children with ISS without GH deficiency. GH isn't the only factor that causes growth and this study is the literal evidence for this yet again. I even included the criteria for study selection and GH deficiency was excluded.

Incredible how you can show people a meta-analysis and get responses such as "it's literally in the name broo, GROWTH hormone!"

JFL nice that you point that out, wish I could see their IQ pop up when reading the replies.

 

[TitusA]

It's very noticable in your post history how the age you claim you hopped on varies by years, so do the cycles.

Your only point in all of my threads is that the whole world around you pointed out: "Woah, your facial bones changed, mirin gonial angle."

He got fillers and cosmetic procedures, his family members are very tall according to him as well.

View attachment 4132321

Exactly, rather only negatives. It should be a nobrainer to not touch exogenous hormones as a kid.

Good linkage between both topics. Supraphysiological amounts of DHT just won't contribute to "supraphysiological gains" in terms of penile growth. There are also studies where children with micropenis used DHT gel long-term and their penile growth only improved marginally, they never improved significantly.

Anyway before puberty and during puberty it doesn't work, after puberty it works even less. The ARs stop causing the same downstream factors that would usually cause penile growth, same with other signal pathways. They basically "freeze" for that purpose.

Looks like you started browsing BOTB, nobody cares about these water insights. No need to looksmin with DHT during puberty.

That's not true, the study is done on children with ISS without GH deficiency. GH isn't the only factor that causes growth and this study is the literal evidence for this yet again. I even included the criteria for study selection and GH deficiency was excluded.

JFL nice that you point that out, wish I could see their IQ pop up when reading the replies.

U know when you've been on nearly a decade long cycle you forget exact mg dosages right? Never said I used anything besides test,sdrol,tren,anadrol. The implication that I would lie makes zero sense since the majority of the time (atleast recently since my perspective has changed as I've got older) I talk about how stupid my usage was and tell people to do it differently. Isnt the point of lying to make yourself look better? I also said the face changes I got may be percieved as uglier and have never gone on here and claimed to have developed a chad face because of roids.

Stop getting upset when people disagree. I even disagreed in the nicest way possible because last time I disagreed with you you got all in your feelings and spent a night writing bshit on my profile page.

 

[Brian Weber]

literal

I didn’t say they have gh defiency I’m saying that there bodies don’t respond well to growth factors which is why their idiopathically short even with moderate levels of gh and igf. So if u inject hgh into someone without iss they would theoretically respond better because their bodies are more receptive

 

[Rome4]

I am 14 and have a large amount of hgh in supply. Your thread convinced me that it is cope for facial bone growth and height. Would a small dosage provide any benefits for things such as health indicators, hair, skin, and recovery from gym and athletics? Could you define this small dosage or say why you believe it wouldn’t have any positives at all? Are there any exogenous compounds that would be beneficial to aesthetics at my age or is just softmaxxing the only option until surgery? Again thank you for informing me.

 

[aids]

Why acromegaly patients have overdeveloped facial bones and insane height tho ?

Because they have supernormal GH levels for years even pre-puberty.
Compare that to a few IU of generic HGH for maybe a year that a teenager is using.

I am 14 and have a large amount of hgh in supply. Your thread convinced me that it is cope for facial bone growth and height. Would a small dosage provide any benefits for things such as health indicators, hair, skin, and recovery from gym and athletics? Could you define this small dosage or say why you believe it wouldn’t have any positives at all? Are there any exogenous compounds that would be beneficial to aesthetics at my age or is just softmaxxing the only option until surgery? Again thank you for informing me.

If there were no benefits apart from supposed height or 'facial bone' growth, then nobody above the age of 18 would use it off-label.
Yes, there are plenty benefits, and height might be one of them, but people greatly overestimate how much HGH will do, if it will do anything.

 

[Rome4]

Because they have supernormal GH levels for years even pre-puberty.
Compare that to a few IU of generic HGH for maybe a year that a teenager is using.


If there were no benefits apart from supposed height or 'facial bone' growth, then nobody above the age of 18 would use it off-label.
Yes, there are plenty benefits, and height might be one of them, but people greatly overestimate how much HGH will do, if it will do anything.

I’ve seen some of your other comments and you seem quite intelligent. What dosage do you think is best for recovery purposes from athletics/gym, and health indicators/skin/ hair without bloat? I also have diuretics on hand if necessary.

 

[aids]

I’ve seen some of your other comments and you seem quite intelligent. What dosage do you think is best for recovery purposes from athletics/gym, and health indicators/skin/ hair without bloat? I also have diuretics on hand if necessary.

There is no one-size-fits all answer. It's highly circumstantial and without context I can't just provide you a dose.
Don't use diuretics for HGH-related bloat, use nebivolol.

 

[Rome4]

There is no one-size-fits all answer. It's highly circumstantial and without context I can't just provide you a dose.
Don't use diuretics for HGH-related bloat, use nebivolol.

Can you please explain why it is highly individualized? I’m 55kg for reference.

 

[aids]

Can you please explain why it is highly individualized? I’m 55kg for reference.

Dose based on age, weight, goals, etc.
Read up on some literature and come to your own conclusion is your absolute best bet brother.

 

[Rome4]

Dose based on age, weight, goals, etc.
Read up on some literature and come to your own conclusion is your absolute best bet brother.

Thank you sir

 

[Rome4]

There is no one-size-fits all answer. It's highly circumstantial and without context I can't just provide you a dose.
Don't use diuretics for HGH-related bloat, use nebivolol.

I don’t have nebivolol on hand. Would 25 mg hctz daily be safe or no? What about 50mg Eplerenone daily? How much of an effect do direutics have on making you look better than baseline? Thank you

 

[aids]

I don’t have nebivolol on hand. Would 25 mg hctz daily be safe or no? What about 50mg Eplerenone daily? How much of an effect do direutics have on making you look better than baseline? Thank you

AFAIK these don't address what causes the bloat from HGH.
Diuretics are a Godsend.
Furo does wonders for me.

 

[Rome4]

AFAIK these don't address what causes the bloat from HGH.
Diuretics are a Godsend.
Furo does wonders for me.

I’m thinking of only 2-3uis though. I doubt that would cause major bloating I just want to be drier than baseline on a daily bases. I have furo on hand as well but I want to save that for special occasions so I don’t mess my health up. Would 25hctz or 50mg ep be safe enough for daily long term to look drier than baseline. Both maybe? Dosent hgh Bloat come from renal reabsorption? Which can be countered with hctz. And the aas pathway why is countered with eper. Please correct me if I am mistaken

 

[aids]

I’m thinking of only 2-3uis though. I doubt that would cause major bloating I just want to be drier than baseline on a daily bases. I have furo on hand as well but I want to save that for special occasions so I don’t mess my health up. Would 25hctz or 50mg ep be safe enough for daily long term to look drier than baseline. Both maybe? Dosent hgh Bloat come from renal reabsorption? Which can be countered with hctz. And the aas pathway why is countered with eper. Please correct me if I am mistaken

Again, circumstantial, I'd use Eplerenone over HCTZ.

 

[SlayerJonas]

misses the point

That's not the point. Your claim that other people noticed your facial changes is worthless if you don't provide pics.

My primary point is that the age you claim you started roiding varies by years, making you appear dishonest or truth-distorting.

I didn’t say they have gh defiency I’m saying that there bodies don’t respond well to growth factors which is why their idiopathically short even with moderate levels of gh and igf. So if u inject hgh into someone without iss they would theoretically respond better because their bodies are more receptive

When it comes to maturation, every signaling molecule and pathway is just a mean for the purpose of executing the plan of the genome. So every tall individual is tall because that's just their blueprint.

This means be it GHRH, GH, the conversion to IGF-1, its binding proteins, both of their receptors and the consequent downstream factor expression, the body tweaks everything to achieve its desired outcome, including delaying the ossification of growth plates in the case of malnutrition.

So basically you can't fuck up your height that easily with environmental factors after birth and even harder it's to try to surpass the genetic ceiling.

I am 14 and have a large amount of hgh in supply. Your thread convinced me that it is cope for facial bone growth and height. Would a small dosage provide any benefits for things such as health indicators, hair, skin, and recovery from gym and athletics? Could you define this small dosage or say why you believe it wouldn’t have any positives at all?

You can use GH for many great things of course. You can use it as part of your steroid cycle to increase gains, for sleep quality and regeneration, skin quality, joint health, hair growth, etc.

A few IUs are more than enough.

Are there any exogenous compounds that would be beneficial to aesthetics at my age or is just softmaxxing the only option until surgery? Again thank you for informing me.

Nothing significant.

Because they have supernormal GH levels for years even pre-puberty.
Compare that to a few IU of generic HGH for maybe a year that a teenager is using.

Also looks like utter dogshit facial aesthetics-wise. May be part of the reason why extremely tall individuals always have a certain phenotype (e.g. downgrown jaw).

 

[imontheloose]

Sprinting isn't cope for height though.

@Quncho is masturbating in the corner to this as we speak.