Grummons Facemask

[Noesis]

Looking back at this legendary thread, I got inspired to build the facemask.

Spoiler

HOW TO PULL YOUR MAXILLA FORWARD [DEFINITIVE GUIDE]

For lazy dnrds: in a study where they used maxillary protractors on adult monkeys, they found that with high enough force, the maxilla still moves even at older ages.

Problem is: There are no progress updates from any of the users, it pulls forward and downwards and you look like a clown wearing this.


Now for the classic facemask, orthodontists should get beaten up for still using this archaic TMJ speedrun machine.

But then I came across this model:

This should theoretically work. It anchors on the zygos, applies parallel pulling force and is easy to sleep in.

I'm down to be the guinea pig for this since I'm 17.9 and recessed at about 3-5mm. Though I'm certain it works.

Let me hear some opinions.

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Jestermaxxing Final Boss

 

[Nutsack2000]

I mean if no one’s tried it before might as well have something interesting going on

 

[Noesis]

Jestermaxxing Final Boss

Jestermax now NTmax after

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

Jestermax now NTmax after

I don't think you can NTmaxx after having such a dogshit reputation but good luck to you

 

[jeoyw9192]

Looking back at this legendary thread, I got inspired to build the facemask.

Spoiler

HOW TO PULL YOUR MAXILLA FORWARD [DEFINITIVE GUIDE]

For lazy dnrds: in a study where they used maxillary protractors on adult monkeys, they found that with high enough force, the maxilla still moves even at older ages.

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Problem is: There are no progress updates from any of the users, it pulls forward and downwards and you look like a clown wearing this.


Now for the classic facemask, orthodontists should get beaten up for still using this archaic TMJ speedrun machine.

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But then I came across this model:

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This should theoretically work. It anchors on the zygos, applies parallel pulling force and is easy to sleep in.

I'm down to be the guinea pig for this since I'm 17.9 and recessed at about 3-5mm. Though I'm certain it works.

Let me hear some opinions.

yo went through a few of ur posts (coming from the PPAR/PDO thread) and found this one - are u fr planning on doing this lol?

 

[Noesis]

yo went through a few of ur posts (coming from the PPAR/PDO thread) and found this one - are u fr planning on doing this lol?

Yes

 

[nvrhrgin]

Yes

How about pulling with bone anchorage like tads or bamps screwed under zygos, upper and lower jaw and chin? I’m thinking getting mse and max tads or bamps in every bone possible to drag 24/7 both from them and mse with some custom face mask right after suture splitting till fusion might give some noticable results in theory? Ofc need s custom face mask

 

[Noesis]

How about pulling with bone anchorage like tads or bamps screwed under zygos, upper and lower jaw and chin? I’m thinking getting mse and max tads or bamps in every bone possible to drag 24/7 both from them and mse with some custom face mask right after suture splitting till fusion might give some noticable results in theory? Ofc need s custom face mask

That's not how it works, you can only put TADs in the intermaxillary suture in your mouth. Yes this would work wonders, but the point of this is it's DIY.

No orthodontist will put them in your palate knowing you plan on DIYing this or not telling him what it's about. The MSE screws also won't work for anchorage I think.

 

[nvrhrgin]

That's not how it works, you can only put TADs in the intermaxillary suture in your mouth. Yes this would work wonders, but the point of this is it's DIY.

No orthodontist will put them in your palate knowing you plan on DIYing this or not telling him what it's about. The MSE screws also won't work for anchorage I think.

Yeah u r right, if the point is to diy then i shifted the point, i ofc mean to get orthodontist assisted protraction with face mask and anything else possible.

And yeah, ik for sure bamps could be screwed into zygomatic buttress while usual tads could be screwed into interradicular and buccal areas of both maxilla and mandibula and into palate and retromolar areas respectively so not only intermaxillary suture i mean.

 

[Noesis]

Yeah u r right, if the point is to diy then i shifted the point, i ofc mean to get orthodontist assisted protraction with face mask and anything else possible.

And yeah, ik for sure bamps could be screwed into zygomatic buttress while usual tads could be screwed into interradicular and buccal areas of both maxilla and mandibula and into palate and retromolar areas respectively so not only intermaxillary suture i mean.

Damn never seen before, anyways are you gonna try that out?

 

[nvrhrgin]

Damn never seen before, anyways are you gonna try that out?

I was reading about some cases while wasn’t searching for pics so tbh idk how it even looks but those anchors (both bamps and tads) were used in different cases with sarpe and etc.

Yeah I booked meeting with my orthodontist by the end of the october so now I need to figure out how to convince him give me mse and drill my jaws in as many places as possible and also the custom face mask question for all this shit is still open so there are many questions, as well as questions about incisors and molars intrusion option

My case kinda different from many as I’m downward growth but mostly in lower maxilla (under the nose) while upper is mildly recessed i guess (at least it looks so judging on eye by usual signs we all using here) and also upper maxilla region shorter then usual SO I’m kinda watching for alveolar bone protrusion mostly to get this “dog tier” or “monkey tier” protrusion as this region specifically sunken in my case

 

[Noesis]

I was reading about some cases while wasn’t searching for pics so tbh idk how it even looks but those anchors (both bamps and tads) were used in different cases with sarpe and etc.

Yeah I booked meeting with my orthodontist by the end of the october so now I need to figure out how to convince him give me mse and drill my jaws in as many places as possible and also the custom face mask question for all this shit is still open so there are many questions, as well as questions about incisors and molars intrusion option

My case kinda different from many as I’m downward growth but mostly in lower maxilla (under the nose) while upper is mildly recessed i guess (at least it looks so judging on eye by usual signs we all using here) and also upper maxilla region shorter then usual SO I’m kinda watching for alveolar bone protrusion mostly to get this “dog tier” or “monkey tier” protrusion as this region specifically sunken in my case

Mirin. Seems like you're after some CCW, I learnt that the facemask won't do any significant CCW because the pulling force is parallel.

Jfl at this, but I'm gonna start looking into hard mewing. This can logically overtime give some results.

 

[nvrhrgin]

Mirin. Seems like you're after some CCW, I learnt that the facemask won't do any significant CCW because the pulling force is parallel.

Jfl at this, but I'm gonna start looking into hard mewing. This can logically overtime give some results.

Not really, I mean I’m watching for it but it’s kinda separate topic, I’m interested in a facemask specifically to get more forward growth

Talking on the ccw, well Idk why there are nobody talking about the intrusion but it’s kinda possible solution in cases like mine at least when the philtrum area (so alveolar bone) is downgrown as alveolar bone is spongy structured and can be remodelled by teeth pressing up for example, so for example incisors intrusion makes teeth press up on the alveolar bone shortening usually to 2-4 mm (also was reading about one case with even 5mm) which after all shortens philtrum by 60%-80% per each mm. Also there is molars intrusion which leads to ccw.

Those practices are used for correction of deep and open bite for example, if your bite is correct then u need to perform both so that’s why I told I’m going ask my orthodontist on that topic to, I basically broke down each transformation to perform on it’s own:
1. Shortening and ccw with incisors and molar intrusion
2. Widening with mse
3. Protraction with mse + tads/bamps + fm

 

[nvrhrgin]

Not really, I mean I’m watching for it but it’s kinda separate topic, I’m interested in a facemask specifically to get more forward growth

Talking on the ccw, well Idk why there are nobody talking about the intrusion but it’s kinda possible solution in cases like mine at least when the philtrum area (so alveolar bone) is downgrown as alveolar bone is spongy structured and can be remodelled by teeth pressing up for example, so for example incisors intrusion makes teeth press up on the alveolar bone shortening usually to 2-4 mm (also was reading about one case with even 5mm) which after all shortens philtrum by 60%-80% per each mm. Also there is molars intrusion which leads to ccw.

Those practices are used for correction of deep and open bite for example, if your bite is correct then u need to perform both so that’s why I told I’m going ask my orthodontist on that topic to, I basically broke down each transformation to perform on it’s own:
1. Shortening and ccw with incisors and molar intrusion
2. Widening with mse
3. Protraction with mse + tads/bamps + fm

So rn i’m watching for each task to be solved in the most effective, I guess each of those could give only minor result but I would be happy to get even 3mm of real maxillary protraction, not alveolar only and I’m curious how to perform it in adolescence but seems like there aren’t many users keen on the topic left on org