(GTFIH INSANE MIDFACE SHORTENING) HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

[DonaldJTrump]

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

She had a quadrangular le fort 1 along with an augmentation rhinoplasty. Some vertical reduction of the chin and adjustment of the jaw position was done too…

Was it the le fort 1 impaction (not sure if she had any).

Rhinoplasty to shorten the nose length? (If they shortened her nose during the rhino, it may have helped but the jaw surgery is what did most of the work)

Was it the quadrangular cut that advanced her face in a way that made it appear shorter? (I’ve heard a more forward maxilla will make face appear shorter).

Many long faced incels could ascend if we could get exactly what she got!

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[tweaqo]

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[IDontBlameAnybody]

I’ve understood lefort 1 the exact opposite way as you have - it should shorten your midface.

I could be wrong though. Anyways lefort 1 could be god-sent for many. Improved nose, improved maxilla, better midface - all that shit with just 1 surgery (obviously only suitable for one with flat / recessed maxilla).

 

[DonaldJTrump]

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heres link to the post from the surgeon with all the pics,
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[DonaldJTrump]

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[Copercel]

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

She had a quadrangular le fort 1 along with an augmentation rhinoplasty. Some vertical reduction of the chin and adjustment of the jaw position was done too…

Was it the le fort 1 impaction (not sure if she had any).

Rhinoplasty to shorten the nose length? (If they shortened her nose during the rhino, it may have helped but the jaw surgery is what did most of the work)

Was it the quadrangular cut that advanced her face in a way that made it appear shorter? (I’ve heard a more forward maxilla will make face appear shorter).

Many long faced incels could ascend if we could get exactly what she got!

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Holy, mirin ascension

 

[zaebalsya]

Intestering
I'm also underbitecel and need some midface shortening

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

Same question

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Intestering
I'm also underbitecel and need some midface shortening

Same question

We can consult with the surgeon and ask him maybe…

 

[LEFORT17]

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

ccw and vertical shortening genio nothing crazy

 

[zaebalsya]

ccw and vertical shortening genio nothing crazy

her maxilla is impacted thats why her midface shortened
only maxillary advancement and ccw rotation wont do it

but what if I dont need impaction but wanna have shorter midface

 

[LEFORT17]

her maxilla is impacted thats why her midface shortened
only maxillary advancement and ccw rotation wont do it

but what if I dont need impaction but wanna have shorter midface

impaction wont change your midface

 

[DonaldJTrump]

ccw and vertical shortening genio nothing crazy

I had bimax ccw (4mm advancement in the Le Fort 1 area) and my face lengthened a good amount. I believe it may be the quadrangular cut that gave her face this shorter look. Some say advancing the upper maxilla gives the face a shorter, wider look.

Rhino to shorten the nose could have helped, too.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I had bimax ccw (4mm advancement in the Le Fort 1 area) and my face lengthened a good amount. I believe it may be the quadrangular cut that gave her face this shorter look. Some say advancing the upper maxilla gives the face a shorter, wider look.

Rhino to shorten the nose could have helped, too.

@zaebalsya

 

[LEFORT17]

I had bimax ccw (4mm advancement in the Le Fort 1 area) and my face lengthened a good amount. I believe it may be the quadrangular cut that gave her face this shorter look. Some say advancing the upper maxilla gives the face a shorter, wider look.

Rhino to shorten the nose could have helped, too.

how much ccw did u have? what was your bite before your surgery? do you have a surgical plan

 

[zaebalsya]

impaction wont change your midface

U see this case? A good maxillary advancement and ccw rotation, but philtrum only lengthened


Also ChatGPT says : With a 7 mm maxillary advancement and ~5° counter‑clockwise (CCW) rotation, the philtrum is more likely to stay the same or get a bit longer, not shorter—unless the anterior maxilla is also impacted (moved up).

 

[Oliver12]

Why does her face look so much shorter in the after despite getting her upper jaw advanced further, which usually lengthens the midface?

She had a quadrangular le fort 1 along with an augmentation rhinoplasty. Some vertical reduction of the chin and adjustment of the jaw position was done too…

Was it the le fort 1 impaction (not sure if she had any).

Rhinoplasty to shorten the nose length? (If they shortened her nose during the rhino, it may have helped but the jaw surgery is what did most of the work)

Was it the quadrangular cut that advanced her face in a way that made it appear shorter? (I’ve heard a more forward maxilla will make face appear shorter).

Many long faced incels could ascend if we could get exactly what she got!

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nor reading allat

 

[LEFORT17]

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U see this case? A good maxillary advancement and ccw rotation, but philtrum only lengthened


Also ChatGPT says : With a 7 mm maxillary advancement and ~5° counter‑clockwise (CCW) rotation, the philtrum is more likely to stay the same or get a bit longer, not shorter—unless the anterior maxilla is also impacted (moved up).

obv philtrum lengthens if you have an underbite LMAO. either that or the chin appears shorter which makes it longer.

 

[zaebalsya]

I dont see it here tho @LEFORT17

 

[DonaldJTrump]

how much ccw did u have? what was your bite before your surgery? do you have a surgical plan

Overbite. I dont remember but i will try to find the plans. I definitely had a lot of ccw, though. It was enough ccw that, combined with 9mm linear bsso advancement, brought total jaw advancement to 13mm (not including genio)

 

[LEFORT17]

I dont see it here tho @LEFORT17

watch the side profile like u showed me in the xrays. her philtrum lenghtened in the side profile, from front u it aint really noticable tho

 

[LEFORT17]

Overbite. I dont remember but i will try to find the plans. I definitely had a lot of ccw, though. It was enough ccw that, combined with 9mm linear bsso advancement, brought total jaw advancement to 13mm (not including genio)

do have any scans?

 

[LEFORT17]

Overbite. I dont remember but i will try to find the plans. I definitely had a lot of ccw, though. It was enough ccw that, combined with 9mm linear bsso advancement, brought total jaw advancement to 13mm (not including genio)

do you know what your occlusal plane angle was before surgery

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I’ve understood lefort 1 the exact opposite way as you have - it should shorten your midface.

I could be wrong though. Anyways lefort 1 could be god-sent for many. Improved nose, improved maxilla, better midface - all that shit with just 1 surgery (obviously only suitable for one with flat / recessed maxilla).

It literally does the opposite, lengthening the upper jaw will lengthen your nose and face. That’s why this case baffles me. She got her upper jaw advanced and still ended up with a shorter face and looking MUCH better.

 

[LEFORT17]

It literally does the opposite, lengthening the upper jaw will lengthen your nose and face. That’s why this case baffles me. She got her upper jaw advanced and still ended up with a shorter face and looking MUCH better.

its the ,,illusion'' which made her face look longer and chin bigger since she got a class3 bite with long face syndrom combined.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

It literally does the opposite, lengthening the upper jaw will lengthen your nose and face. That’s why this case baffles me. She got her upper jaw advanced and still ended up with a shorter face and looking MUCH better.

Tell you what, I'm getting it as soon as possible, getting braces on in the next 1-2 months. Once I've done the surgery and hopefully alive and well, I'll come back to this thread.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I'd suggest you take a look at a youtube channel called Instituto Maxilofacial Barcelona. I can even see that some people end up looking much better, but the midface length stays the same. And then some results, which clearly show a shorter midface in the after photo.

If I had to guess, I'd say it has to do something with the rotation. I could be completely wrong though and talking out of my ass, but that is what I think.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

its the ,,illusion'' which made her face look longer and chin bigger since she got a class3 bite with long face syndrom combined.

What illusion?

 

[LEFORT17]

What illusion?

the chin looking bigger than it really is since the upper jaw is way behind

 

[DonaldJTrump]

the chin looking bigger than it really is since the upper jaw is way behind

Look at these measurements, the midface shortened.

 

[LEFORT17]

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Look at these measurements, the midface shortened.

i'll leave you alone w this one.