[GTFIH] Sunscreen might be a gigacope/meme when it comes to preventing aging

[Deleted member 17918]

A recent study showed that you should use retinA for tanning instead of spf. Try it. I got good tanning results.

What? Surely you burn?

 

[Yellowskies]

high iq, high effort, legit af thread.

does anyone here still use (((sunscreen))) in 2022?

I just avoid the sun..? Just dont be in the sun and that’s already reducing almost all risk

Who is wanting to live their entire life obsessing over putting on creams and shit like a woman

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Who is wanting to live their entire life obsessing over putting on creams and shit like a woman

literally

its a common knowledge to not go out in the times when sun exposes the most harm

 

[Yellowskies]

literally

its a common knowledge to not go out in the times when sun exposes the most harm

Yeah i mean there is a lot of super common knowledge that is somehow presented as groundbreaking ideas on this forum

I avoid the sun, it’s not hard. And if you have to go out, wear a tshirt on the beach and cover your face

I can put some sunscreen on the face if its extremely sunny but that is like a few days out the year

 

[gribsufer1]

Also read comments from that reddit post, interesting one:

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yeah so it suggest sunscreen prevents colllagen loss, but she aged from bone loss

 

[horizontallytall]

Also read comments from that reddit post, interesting one:

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Nothing will safe u from thin undereye skin and nasolabial folds if ur maxilla is recessed. Most people have these problem due to downswung maxilla and they think thats ageing , my dad , his brother both has literally been in sun all life their whole body is light skin with face dark as hell and i look like am 30 at 18 . My skin is literally worse than my father . Its due to extremely recessed maxilla, with small palate as they usually come together but not always and collapsed skull like that guy is talking about there . U just need good food and forward grown face.

these are the type of men i see here cause i live in a desert type very warm area . Their skin is like completely tight and intact no wrinkles too

 

[russiancelreturns]

sunscreen is legit imo but I'd say it mostly has an effect on the "finer" skin structure like minimizing fine lines and sun spots. just like tret and botox.

when it comes to actual sagging like in some of these pics, that's probably mostly to do with the soft and hard tissue make up of your face. aka bones and fat and how it changes over time. faces with lots of "flat" areas (due to suboptimal bone structure underneath, ie flat cheeks) tend to age worse ime.

leto's bone structure for example doesn't leave lots of room for a whole lot of sagging because his bones keeps everything relatively firm (combine that with the botox and shit he gets and he'll age better than 99%+ of people):
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tl;dr if you want to age well you gotta look at the bone and fat tissue structure of your face rather than just skin

This tbh

 

[rubberduck]

Best thread on this site. 28 but look 15 years old because I've never worn sunscreen in my life.

Average sunscreen user:

 

[depressionmaxxing]

Best thread on this site. 28 but look 15 years old because I've never worn sunscreen in my life.

Average sunscreen user:

Thats not bc you never used sunscreen but just ur genes and collagen.

 

[yyamann]

It's been 2 years that I've been using sunscreen daily, indoors. It turns out that I decided to research and observe a bit better and now I'm going to drop everything I know about sunscreen here. Quote the experts here, I want to hear their opinion.

As a kid I used to have a tanned med mogger brad pitt-like skin. Now I don't, although I'm still kinda orange depending on the light. Also, it sucks to use this cream every day. Sometimes it gets in the eye, it's terrible. But hey! Sunscreen is the magic ingredient that will make you look young when you're old, isn't it?
Well, now I don't know..

In this thread I will post:
my anecdotal evidence in favor and against using sunscreen for preventing aging.
Next, I'll post a good high iq post from reddit that kind of proves that scientifically it's a meme to think sunscreen will do a great deal to prevent aging.
An interesting video by David Sinclair on the subject

So, lets start, Anectodal evidence about sun and aging:
This video here, she says these are example of twins, I didn't even checked what this study was, but since one of the cases I know from another youtube video, they migh all be similar: One of the twins lived in another place and took more sun.


The cases:


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So, what do you guys think of the difference?

Obs: You can see some of them are not identical. And maybe they were cases where one of them kept roasting for hours in the sun frequently in their lives(of course its bad for skin)?

case 3 for example, I saw it isolated in an youtube video and, for instance, this case you can clearly see they are not identical: Eye hooding is different, nose size is different, even the smile is different:




The sister from California says that in her youth she used to "live to the fullest", getting a lot of sun everyday, and to be honest, both have a lot of marks on their faces, in some regions and almost identical, or am I blind?:
Biggest difference here is in the mouth area:
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Now: Jared Leto, Tom cruise and Brad Pitt:
Jared Leto: 50 yo
Tom cruise: ~60yo
Brad Pitt: ~60yo

Jared Leto

In an interview, he claimed that his secret to looking young was "cold water"(jfl)
In some site I remember reading he said he credited his good shape to his vegan diet for years.
In a tweet he said "sunscreen always":

3 recent pics of leto from his instagram:
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Main pic of google(2016 pic):
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My impression: A good physique for his age. His face, the main flaw is the eye area, you can see in this 2016(he was 46) photo that she has crow's feet, quite a lot. Now, the forehead has no marks, and the cheeks are also smooth, nasolabial folds is also visible.
In recent pictures, it seems the crows feet reduced? Maybe had some work done?

Also, he has a good forward growth of lower maxila/mandibule, despite the baby looking face:

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Her mom also looks fresh for his age etc. But we dont know if work done, self care or genetics are the mains reason..

What are your thoughts on his case? Could he be getting jbs at 50 ?



Tom cruise:

Lets now compare tom cruise with leto when he was 50yo:

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Tbh i doubt tom cruise used sunscreen daily in his life, he was always looking kinda tanned

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What do you think ?



Brad pitt:
This was brad pitt at 26:



This was brad pitt at 34:
search "seven years at tibet" to see him at 34

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If you search his old pics you'll he was almost always tanned, so I think he didnt care about sun exposure.
Also, he was a smoker(he also came back to this after divorce)

This is him at 50:

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Ok, now the thing is: who mogs? Any of them could get young girls at 50? If they cant, does it really make a differente to have a bit better skin when you already dont look like a young man? Does jared leto has this young vibe due to his skin or due to his face features(cuck eyes, good forward growth and feminine but gl nose) ?


Ok, that being said, lets move to this dude here: Andreas Moritz
Forget about the title and this cancer thing, its probably bs, I'm just using him cause he surely dont use sunscreen.
He died in 2012 at 58. He had a lot of diseases since childhood, so he became a "alternative medicine practitioner" to try to fight these problems he had. Maybe it worked cause he died at 58, not very old, but not very young.


Anyway, i dont know when this interview was made, but here is this video from 2012, he was surely ~60 here:



What do you think? To me he looks just like those actors in terms of skin quality.

In Brazil, a country with more UV, if you chek the old gL famous man from tv, they dont seem to have aged different from americans.
I'm lazy to post them now, I'll post it later.

well, this is my anecdotal evidence about sun and aging.


>>Now, the Reddit must read high iq post:
This is the best thing on this thread tbh:



>>David Sinclair comment on this:




it kinda matches what those before/after cases show. Case 1 for example, that women must had roast for hour during his life on the sun.



So, thats it, what do you guys think of this?
I'm sure a lot of you were also paranoid about the sun and aging/collagen stuff etc.
Tag the high iq on this subject, I think this thread has potential and can help clarify this issue

great effort put into a well worded high iq thread, good shit OP

 

[Eduardo DOV]

great effort put into a well worded high iq thread, good shit OP

I don't remember this thread very well, and I also don't have the patience to go and see everything I wrote.
From what I remember my conclusion was that the sun does age your skin, and if you want to maximize your skin to have a youthful appearance throughout your adult life, you probably need to use sunscreen.
It's likely that throughout this thread I've written bullshit trying to force the conclusion that sunscreen is useless, but that's not what I currently believe.

Summarizing my current reasoning:
They love using that example of the truck driver, but that guy spent hours a day getting the sun on his face for years, that's not a good example. Imagine that you give your leg a lash once a day, this intuitively seems very different to you giving it 50 lashes a day. Your skin won't be able to recover properly from 50 lashes from one day to the next, and the next day it will give +50 again.
In my head it seems to be the same thing with the sun, it's one thing to expose yourself for 15min-1hour(or even a bit more as long as it doesn't burn your skinefsabd) some days a week, it's another to stay there for hours and hours almost everyday day throughout your whole life. Perhaps the first one will also damage the skin, but it will certainly be much much less than what happened to that truck driver.

So perhaps for some people its not worth the inconvenience of applying sunscreen every day, because if they expose themselves to the sun little, they won't age like these people who spent an absurd amount of time under the sun. and perhaps it is thinking about avoiding this that they apply sunscreen daily. The crazy users on looksmax talk like you will age very poorly if you don't use sunscreen everyday on your face, which doesn't seem to be true at all, look at brad pitt gandy and also you can see the well done facelift before afters.
Also if you have chad facial look you can compensate for not so youthful skin and sometimes even a bald head.

If I for whatever reason I had the sun directly on my face for hours a day, in that case I would wear sunscreen in addition to a hat.

Personally, I'm quite lazy and I don't like applying facial creams every day. But maybe I'll start using it someday to maximize youthfull look.

About skin cancer:
I don't know.
Unless you fear skin cancer, etc., which is something I don't know about, personally I believe that exposing myself to the sun a little will not give me skin cancer, only if it is for a long time with high frequency.

And another thing is this, if you burn your skin, you have certainly damaged it a lot, this is certainly not a good thing and if you keep doing this frequently your skin will definitely suffer serious damage in the long term. source: intuition.
Everyone should know how long they can expose themselves without their skin burning, so that this doesn't happen frequently.

 

[yyamann]

I don't remember this thread very well, and I also don't have the patience to go and see everything I wrote.
From what I remember my conclusion was that the sun does age your skin, and if you want to maximize your skin to have a youthful appearance throughout your adult life, you probably need to use sunscreen.
It's likely that throughout this thread I've written bullshit trying to force the conclusion that sunscreen is useless, but that's not what I currently believe.

Summarizing my current reasoning:
They love using that example of the truck driver, but that guy spent hours a day getting the sun on his face for years, that's not a good example. Imagine that you give your leg a lash once a day, this intuitively seems very different to you giving it 50 lashes a day. Your skin won't be able to recover properly from 50 lashes from one day to the next, and the next day it will give +50 again.
In my head it seems to be the same thing with the sun, it's one thing to expose yourself for 15min-1hour(or even a bit more as long as it doesn't burn your skinefsabd) some days a week, it's another to stay there for hours and hours almost everyday day throughout your whole life. Perhaps the first one will also damage the skin, but it will certainly be much much less than what happened to that truck driver.

So perhaps for some people its not worth the inconvenience of applying sunscreen every day, because if they expose themselves to the sun little, they won't age like these people who spent an absurd amount of time under the sun. and perhaps it is thinking about avoiding this that they apply sunscreen daily. The crazy users on looksmax talk like you will age very poorly if you don't use sunscreen everyday on your face, which doesn't seem to be true at all, look at brad pitt gandy and also you can see the well done facelift before afters.
Also if you have chad facial look you can compensate for not so youthful skin and sometimes even a bald head.

If I for whatever reason I had the sun directly on my face for hours a day, in that case I would wear sunscreen in addition to a hat.

Personally, I'm quite lazy and I don't like applying facial creams every day. But maybe I'll start using it someday to maximize youthfull look.

About skin cancer:
I don't know.
Unless you fear skin cancer, etc., which is something I don't know about, personally I believe that exposing myself to the sun a little will not give me skin cancer, only if it is for a long time with high frequency.

And another thing is this, if you burn your skin, you have certainly damaged it a lot, this is certainly not a good thing and if you keep doing this frequently your skin will definitely suffer serious damage in the long term. source: intuition.
Everyone should know how long they can expose themselves without their skin burning, so that this doesn't happen frequently.

honestly i cant even argue i just agree with all your takes bc they make most sense + how is it that people all of a sudden need sunscreen you could go back to the 60's and see men with good skin elasticity without having to use any sunscreen bc no one is just out slaving in the desert in scorching heat exposed to sun rays getting fucking fried the the 1-2 hours someone spends in the sun really wont do anything if human skin didnt handle the sun for that amount of time which is a short period our skin would have evolved into something more tolerant of sun rays and doesnt get damaged easily so yea idk about the excessive sunscreen use like yea take care of your skin and protect it but just dont make it seem like 10 minutes of sun will melt you jfl