(GTFIH) THE BEST, MOST AFFORDABLE SURGEONS IN EUROPE

[DonaldJTrump]

Last night I gave our State of the Union Address and it was beautiful, just beautiful, but what's not so beautiful is the state of surgery... WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURGERY GREAT AGAIN! And here's how.

A FRENCH BIMAX IS ONLY 5k-10k USD MAX IN 2026! So here are some French surgeons. They are high quality, experienced, first world, AND affordable!

ALSO PLEASE GIVE ME A THUMBS UP FOR SPENDING 2 HOURS ON THIS, THANK YOU.

Keep in mind, I am "high inhib" and try to make sure a surgeon is very good, clean record or within reason of one. Of course, it is easier to have a clean record if you are a newer doctor, doing mostly low risk operations like wisdom teeth removal, and barely have any reviews online.

Did some research,
Here is what I found:
Jean-Baptiste Charrier (over charges because of international hype) "Failed me aesthetically and functionally. Following the operation I have a bad occlusion on the right side, I have pain that is difficult to bear when I eat, yawn or sleep on my side. My face has become ugly. Know that once you have told him of your dissatisfaction he will tell you to go see a shrink and will not give you any more sign of life. And be careful he will impose HIS shrink, who does not give any invoice and has no plaque (for information it is forbidden to impose a particular shrink on a patient)."
just one of the bad reviews i found, i found another that complained of poor aesthetics after as well so i would stay away. another review said he ruined their life because of him botching them and that he will gaslight you if you complain of being botched.
AVOID

Pierre Bouletreu. Seems good but not much about him online so can be risky. Here are some good reviews about him (and both said they had a good surgery with him) so I think he is fine.


Didier Ernenwein. Seems OK.

Gonzague Deffrennes. AVOID, too many bad reviews.

Emmanuel Racy AVOID, plagued by bad reviews.

Serge Ketoff Seems OK I guess? Has some bad reviews due to being "rude" (Hes probably just autistic), nothing about botching. Seems somewhat MORAL (He will refuse to operate on people if he doesn't see you as a good candidate). Good reviews everywhere including reddit.

Frederic Barere Too many bad reviews and causes too many problems for patients that would be really bad if he did a bimax or something on you (For example, people complain of him not noticing an infection in their mouth, this would be a disaster for people who just had a bimax)

Pierre Olivi ONLY ONE I'M 50/50 MIXED ON. a few bad reviews you can read on google but he responds to them all intelligently, There's also a very good review on Reddit jaw surgery sub plus many other good online reviews in general. Might not be the best surgeon in the list but worth speaking to.

Jacques Yachouh AVOID! BUTCHER!

Jacques Chardai could not find a single surgeon with this name but im also lazy and not french

Amaury Gindre Avoid i think, his reviews about leaving people in numbing pain are too worrying.

Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy Seems fine but mostly does wisdom tooth removal I think although I guess the same applies to most surgeons. Hard to find reviews about him doing bimax or genio.

Thierry Loncle (will most likely overcharge cuz of international hype I think)
Hard to find reviews for him, he's like Pierre B. in that way. I think he is fine though, he is famous, well-known, recommended often including on r/jawsurgery, you can look at his instagram page too and look at his results too.

Jean-Christophe Lutz GOOD. PERFECT REVIEWS ONLINE plus they are mostly about blackpilled shit not cope wisdom tooth removal, ZERO BAD ONES but lets remember that surgeons can remove bad reviews sometimes and also he only has 30, still a good surgeon though I'd say

Thank you @chrishell and @LackEmpathyTherefor for the list, mostly chris because he wrote it originally

Will respond in comments if I find any more good/bad info about surgeons.

THE GOLDEN AGE OF SURGERY IS UPON US!

 

[LEFORT17]

Last night I gave our State of the Union Address and it was beautiful, just beautiful, but what's not so beautiful is the state of surgery... WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURGERY GREAT AGAIN! And here's how.

A FRENCH BIMAX IS ONLY 5k-10k USD MAX IN 2026! So here are some French surgeons. They are high quality, experienced, first world, AND affordable!

ALSO PLEASE GIVE ME A THUMBS UP FOR SPENDING 2 HOURS ON THIS, THANK YOU.

Keep in mind, I am "high inhib" and try to make sure a surgeon is very good, clean record or within reason of one. Of course, it is easier to have a clean record if you are a newer doctor, doing mostly low risk operations like wisdom teeth removal, and barely have any reviews online.

Did some research,
Here is what I found:
Jean-Baptiste Charrier (over charges because of international hype) "Failed me aesthetically and functionally. Following the operation I have a bad occlusion on the right side, I have pain that is difficult to bear when I eat, yawn or sleep on my side. My face has become ugly. Know that once you have told him of your dissatisfaction he will tell you to go see a shrink and will not give you any more sign of life. And be careful he will impose HIS shrink, who does not give any invoice and has no plaque (for information it is forbidden to impose a particular shrink on a patient)."
just one of the bad reviews i found, i found another that complained of poor aesthetics after as well so i would stay away. another review said he ruined their life because of him botching them and that he will gaslight you if you complain of being botched.
AVOID

Pierre Bouletreu. Seems good but not much about him online so can be risky. Here are some good reviews about him (and both said they had a good surgery with him) so I think he is fine.


Didier Ernenwein. Seems OK.

Gonzague Deffrennes. AVOID, too many bad reviews.

Emmanuel Racy AVOID, plagued by bad reviews.

Serge Ketoff Seems OK I guess? Has some bad reviews due to being "rude" (Hes probably just autistic), nothing about botching. Seems somewhat MORAL (He will refuse to operate on people if he doesn't see you as a good candidate). Good reviews everywhere including reddit.

Frederic Barere Too many bad reviews and causes too many problems for patients that would be really bad if he did a bimax or something on you (For example, people complain of him not noticing an infection in their mouth, this would be a disaster for people who just had a bimax)

Pierre Olivi ONLY ONE I'M 50/50 MIXED ON. a few bad reviews you can read on google but he responds to them all intelligently, There's also a very good review on Reddit jaw surgery sub plus many other good online reviews in general. Might not be the best surgeon in the list but worth speaking to.

Jacques Yachouh AVOID! BUTCHER!

Jacques Chardai could not find a single surgeon with this name but im also lazy and not french

Amaury Gindre Avoid i think, his reviews about leaving people in numbing pain are too worrying.

Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy Seems fine but mostly does wisdom tooth removal I think although I guess the same applies to most surgeons. Hard to find reviews about him doing bimax or genio.

Thierry Loncle (will most likely overcharge cuz of international hype I think)
Hard to find reviews for him, he's like Pierre B. in that way. I think he is fine though, he is famous, well-known, recommended often including on r/jawsurgery, you can look at his instagram page too and look at his results too.

Jean-Christophe Lutz GOOD. PERFECT REVIEWS ONLINE plus they are mostly about blackpilled shit not cope wisdom tooth removal, ZERO BAD ONES but lets remember that surgeons can remove bad reviews sometimes and also he only has 30, still a good surgeon though I'd say

Thank you @chrishell and @LackEmpathyTherefor for the list, mostly chris because he wrote it originally

Will respond in comments if I find any more good/bad info about surgeons.

THE GOLDEN AGE OF SURGERY IS UPON US!
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@LackEmpathyTherefor who did you go to?

 

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bookmarked

 

[DonaldJTrump]

@snowslayer @Kazey @KidFlash @lottacoping @Lefor3Laser

 

[LEFORT17]

Last night I gave our State of the Union Address and it was beautiful, just beautiful, but what's not so beautiful is the state of surgery... WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURGERY GREAT AGAIN! And here's how.

A FRENCH BIMAX IS ONLY 5k-10k USD MAX IN 2026! So here are some French surgeons. They are high quality, experienced, first world, AND affordable!

ALSO PLEASE GIVE ME A THUMBS UP FOR SPENDING 2 HOURS ON THIS, THANK YOU.

Keep in mind, I am "high inhib" and try to make sure a surgeon is very good, clean record or within reason of one. Of course, it is easier to have a clean record if you are a newer doctor, doing mostly low risk operations like wisdom teeth removal, and barely have any reviews online.

Did some research,
Here is what I found:
Jean-Baptiste Charrier (over charges because of international hype) "Failed me aesthetically and functionally. Following the operation I have a bad occlusion on the right side, I have pain that is difficult to bear when I eat, yawn or sleep on my side. My face has become ugly. Know that once you have told him of your dissatisfaction he will tell you to go see a shrink and will not give you any more sign of life. And be careful he will impose HIS shrink, who does not give any invoice and has no plaque (for information it is forbidden to impose a particular shrink on a patient)."
just one of the bad reviews i found, i found another that complained of poor aesthetics after as well so i would stay away. another review said he ruined their life because of him botching them and that he will gaslight you if you complain of being botched.
AVOID

Pierre Bouletreu. Seems good but not much about him online so can be risky. Here are some good reviews about him (and both said they had a good surgery with him) so I think he is fine.


Didier Ernenwein. Seems OK.

Gonzague Deffrennes. AVOID, too many bad reviews.

Emmanuel Racy AVOID, plagued by bad reviews.

Serge Ketoff Seems OK I guess? Has some bad reviews due to being "rude" (Hes probably just autistic), nothing about botching. Seems somewhat MORAL (He will refuse to operate on people if he doesn't see you as a good candidate). Good reviews everywhere including reddit.

Frederic Barere Too many bad reviews and causes too many problems for patients that would be really bad if he did a bimax or something on you (For example, people complain of him not noticing an infection in their mouth, this would be a disaster for people who just had a bimax)

Pierre Olivi ONLY ONE I'M 50/50 MIXED ON. a few bad reviews you can read on google but he responds to them all intelligently, There's also a very good review on Reddit jaw surgery sub plus many other good online reviews in general. Might not be the best surgeon in the list but worth speaking to.

Jacques Yachouh AVOID! BUTCHER!

Jacques Chardai could not find a single surgeon with this name but im also lazy and not french

Amaury Gindre Avoid i think, his reviews about leaving people in numbing pain are too worrying.

Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy Seems fine but mostly does wisdom tooth removal I think although I guess the same applies to most surgeons. Hard to find reviews about him doing bimax or genio.

Thierry Loncle (will most likely overcharge cuz of international hype I think)
Hard to find reviews for him, he's like Pierre B. in that way. I think he is fine though, he is famous, well-known, recommended often including on r/jawsurgery, you can look at his instagram page too and look at his results too.

Jean-Christophe Lutz GOOD. PERFECT REVIEWS ONLINE plus they are mostly about blackpilled shit not cope wisdom tooth removal, ZERO BAD ONES but lets remember that surgeons can remove bad reviews sometimes and also he only has 30, still a good surgeon though I'd say

Thank you @chrishell and @LackEmpathyTherefor for the list, mostly chris because he wrote it originally

Will respond in comments if I find any more good/bad info about surgeons.

THE GOLDEN AGE OF SURGERY IS UPON US!
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serge ketoff seems pretty skilled from what ive seen, able to do big bsso's and different type of cuts

 

[brainregeneration]

@BimaxPLZ
Thoughts?

 

[Animepilled]

5-10k in the western country is crazy

 

[tweaqo]

Bro has a gay pedo as his avi and username lol

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Bro has a gay pedo as his avi and username lol

LIES

 

[DonaldJTrump]

.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

5-10k in the western country is crazy

i think 15k at absolute max because of inflation, probably more like 8k-13k now.

 

[MacBurger]

i think 15k at absolute max because of inflation, probably more like 8k-13k now.

That’s half a year to a full year of wageslave for a 18 year old who doesn’t pay bills and just pays board to ur parents honestly insane

 

[MacBurger]

That’s half a year to a full year of wageslave for a 18 year old who doesn’t pay bills and just pays board to ur parents honestly insane

U.K. btw

 

[kaydd]

That’s half a year to a full year of wageslave for a 18 year old who doesn’t pay bills and just pays board to ur parents honestly insane

Cope uk wagecel, i save more by packing boxes and driving around

 

[MacBurger]

Cope uk wagecel, i save more by packing boxes and driving around

Idk man that seems pretty good for a bimax ngl the wages in the uk are absolutely trash but only having to slave away for like 2-3 years for all the surgeries u need seems like a godsend tbh

 

[kaydd]

Idk man that seems pretty good for a bimax ngl the wages in the uk are absolutely trash but only having to slave away for like 2-3 years for all the surgeries u need seems like a godsend tbh

Depends how many and what surgeries we’re talking

 

[MacBurger]

Depends how many and what surgeries we’re talking

For me bimax - genio - fat graft - Ostoplasty and possibly cantho then I’d be cl

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

Last night I gave our State of the Union Address and it was beautiful, just beautiful, but what's not so beautiful is the state of surgery... WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURGERY GREAT AGAIN! And here's how.

A FRENCH BIMAX IS ONLY 5k-10k USD MAX IN 2026! So here are some French surgeons. They are high quality, experienced, first world, AND affordable!

ALSO PLEASE GIVE ME A THUMBS UP FOR SPENDING 2 HOURS ON THIS, THANK YOU.

Keep in mind, I am "high inhib" and try to make sure a surgeon is very good, clean record or within reason of one. Of course, it is easier to have a clean record if you are a newer doctor, doing mostly low risk operations like wisdom teeth removal, and barely have any reviews online.

Did some research,
Here is what I found:
Jean-Baptiste Charrier (over charges because of international hype) "Failed me aesthetically and functionally. Following the operation I have a bad occlusion on the right side, I have pain that is difficult to bear when I eat, yawn or sleep on my side. My face has become ugly. Know that once you have told him of your dissatisfaction he will tell you to go see a shrink and will not give you any more sign of life. And be careful he will impose HIS shrink, who does not give any invoice and has no plaque (for information it is forbidden to impose a particular shrink on a patient)."
just one of the bad reviews i found, i found another that complained of poor aesthetics after as well so i would stay away. another review said he ruined their life because of him botching them and that he will gaslight you if you complain of being botched.
AVOID

Pierre Bouletreu. Seems good but not much about him online so can be risky. Here are some good reviews about him (and both said they had a good surgery with him) so I think he is fine.


Didier Ernenwein. Seems OK.

Gonzague Deffrennes. AVOID, too many bad reviews.

Emmanuel Racy AVOID, plagued by bad reviews.

Serge Ketoff Seems OK I guess? Has some bad reviews due to being "rude" (Hes probably just autistic), nothing about botching. Seems somewhat MORAL (He will refuse to operate on people if he doesn't see you as a good candidate). Good reviews everywhere including reddit.

Frederic Barere Too many bad reviews and causes too many problems for patients that would be really bad if he did a bimax or something on you (For example, people complain of him not noticing an infection in their mouth, this would be a disaster for people who just had a bimax)

Pierre Olivi ONLY ONE I'M 50/50 MIXED ON. a few bad reviews you can read on google but he responds to them all intelligently, There's also a very good review on Reddit jaw surgery sub plus many other good online reviews in general. Might not be the best surgeon in the list but worth speaking to.

Jacques Yachouh AVOID! BUTCHER!

Jacques Chardai could not find a single surgeon with this name but im also lazy and not french

Amaury Gindre Avoid i think, his reviews about leaving people in numbing pain are too worrying.

Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy Seems fine but mostly does wisdom tooth removal I think although I guess the same applies to most surgeons. Hard to find reviews about him doing bimax or genio.

Thierry Loncle (will most likely overcharge cuz of international hype I think)
Hard to find reviews for him, he's like Pierre B. in that way. I think he is fine though, he is famous, well-known, recommended often including on r/jawsurgery, you can look at his instagram page too and look at his results too.

Jean-Christophe Lutz GOOD. PERFECT REVIEWS ONLINE plus they are mostly about blackpilled shit not cope wisdom tooth removal, ZERO BAD ONES but lets remember that surgeons can remove bad reviews sometimes and also he only has 30, still a good surgeon though I'd say

Thank you @chrishell and @LackEmpathyTherefor for the list, mostly chris because he wrote it originally

Will respond in comments if I find any more good/bad info about surgeons.

THE GOLDEN AGE OF SURGERY IS UPON US!
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Good thread Mr President Maka Org Great Again

 

[kaydd]

For me bimax - genio - fat graft - Ostoplasty and possibly cantho then I’d be cl

2-3 years for that? Jfl
I would require 2-3 years too for my set except im getting implants on top of those and only capped at htn.

 

[MacBurger]

2-3 years for that? Jfl
I would require 2-3 years too for my set except im getting implants on top of those and only capped at htn.

Hmm u think it’d take longer?

 

[kaydd]

Hmm u think it’d take longer?

Nuh uh 2-3 years sounds too long for it, but then your from uk. I could afford that with my first year wageslaving living with my parents monkmaxxing the entire time

 

[MacBurger]

Nuh uh 2-3 years sounds too long for it, but then your from uk. I could afford that with my first year wageslaving living with my parents monkmaxxing the entire time

Damn where tf u live im talking about minimum wage btw somewhere like McDonald’s

 

[kaydd]

Damn where tf u live im talking about minimum wage btw somewhere like McDonald’s

Just live in a blue state. I plan on working in warehouses and uber at night. Least amount of socializing too.

 

[MacBurger]

Just live in a blue state. I plan on working in warehouses and uber at night. Least amount of socializing too.

Mirin

 

[Luxify]

Has anyone ever emailed Pierre Olivi in Marseille? I have emailed him twice before and never got a response back.

 

[MindOfBeni]

Do you know good hungarian surgeons?

 

[0 bone mass]

@DonaldJTrump Do these nigger mog Italian surgeons though? I have infinite money

 

[Vargelkin]

This is a very low IQ post.

I met half of the surgeons on the list. They will simply not work with you and they will CERTAINLY not do unnecessary surgical movements on you.
Most of them will not even consider doing surgery with you unless you're getting treated locally by their orthodontists.
Source : I met 4 of these guys, namely Dujoncquoy (very blue pilled, extremely conservative), Yachouh (more surgery oriented than Dujoncq but very conservative and function oriented. 0 dialogue.), Pierre Olivi (just your run of the mill surgeon), Thierry Loncle (0 eye for aesthetics (he's literally botched himself by terrible PS, and he's gay), basically told me he sees my case but has 0 incentive to work with me over another LOCAL patient :"I don't need to do it, so why would I" vibe) , but at least he sent me home without charging me.

Meanwhile, Ramieri told me EXACTLY the blackpilled high IQ surgery plan that I had elaborated by myself. This is the difference between these surgeons and internationally minded surgeons like Ramieri. Going to France you will literally waste your money on the plane tickets and airbnb's.
The price difference is insane I agree (Yachouh quoted me 2700 euros for mandible + chin), but if you have the money, it's a completely different approach.

You've been warned.

 

[Luxify]

This is a very low IQ post.

I met half of the surgeons on the list. They will simply not work with you and they will CERTAINLY not do unnecessary surgical movements on you.
Most of them will not even consider doing surgery with you unless you're getting treated locally by their orthodontists.
Source : I met 4 of these guys, namely Dujoncquoy (very blue pilled, extremely conservative), Yachouh (more surgery oriented than Dujoncq but very conservative and function oriented. 0 dialogue.), Pierre Olivi (just your run of the mill surgeon), Thierry Loncle (0 eye for aesthetics (he's literally botched himself by terrible PS, and he's gay), basically told me he sees my case but has 0 incentive to work with me over another LOCAL patient :"I don't need to do it, so why would I" vibe) , but at least he sent me home without charging me.

Meanwhile, Ramieri told me EXACTLY the blackpilled high IQ surgery plan that I had elaborated by myself. This is the difference between these surgeons and internationally minded surgeons like Ramieri. Going to France you will literally waste your money on the plane tickets and airbnb's.
The price difference is insane I agree (Yachouh quoted me 2700 euros for mandible + chin), but if you have the money, it's a completely different approach.

You've been warned.

Olivi’s work looked good imo? How did you get in contact with him if you don’t mind me asking? I reached out multiple times but never got a reply from him.

 

[Vargelkin]

Olivi’s work looked good imo? How did you get in contact with him if you don’t mind me asking? I reached out multiple times but never got a reply from him.

Looks good, because the surgery looks good. My grandma can make a recessed gremlin look good with a bimax, it's not rocket science in terms of surgical movement and precision. Like I said, he's just your run of the mill surgeon, he does decent work but there's nothing ground breaking.
If you're french and you want to get a bimax and get an improvement, sure go ahead. I simply booked an appointment.
In my case, eventhough I clearly have a myriad of failos related to my jaw, he was also only willing to do mandible+chin which is insanely suboptimal for me (doesn't address my extremely steep occlusion plane, my total absence or width or vertical projection at the gonions ,especially since I have good cheekbone, would leave me with a very steep jaw angle since I'm extremely downgrown, and an even longer face; doesn't address my slight asymmetry at the midline).
Like I said, extremely basic diagnosis for extremely basic improvement.

For the record Ramieri proposed this for function + aesthetics (which was exactly what I need and wanted to the T : Bimax with CCW and slight impaction (adresses most of the issues), + genio with vertical shortening (long chin after CCW), + implate because of my extremely small mandible.
That's what a comprehensive treatment looks like. I haven't done 2 years of braces, got 2 teeth removed for decompensation, just to have a mild improvement that still leaves me recessed and subhuman. That's what french surgeon will do to you.

If you think the following jaw is worth doing a small mandible + genio on, then you're not worth it as a surgeon.

 

[mateus17]

This is a very low IQ post.

I met half of the surgeons on the list. They will simply not work with you and they will CERTAINLY not do unnecessary surgical movements on you.
Most of them will not even consider doing surgery with you unless you're getting treated locally by their orthodontists.
Source : I met 4 of these guys, namely Dujoncquoy (very blue pilled, extremely conservative), Yachouh (more surgery oriented than Dujoncq but very conservative and function oriented. 0 dialogue.), Pierre Olivi (just your run of the mill surgeon), Thierry Loncle (0 eye for aesthetics (he's literally botched himself by terrible PS, and he's gay), basically told me he sees my case but has 0 incentive to work with me over another LOCAL patient :"I don't need to do it, so why would I" vibe) , but at least he sent me home without charging me.

Meanwhile, Ramieri told me EXACTLY the blackpilled high IQ surgery plan that I had elaborated by myself. This is the difference between these surgeons and internationally minded surgeons like Ramieri. Going to France you will literally waste your money on the plane tickets and airbnb's.
The price difference is insane I agree (Yachouh quoted me 2700 euros for mandible + chin), but if you have the money, it's a completely different approach.

You've been warned.

Bump

 

[Luxify]

Looks good, because the surgery looks good. My grandma can make a recessed gremlin look good with a bimax, it's not rocket science in terms of surgical movement and precision. Like I said, he's just your run of the mill surgeon, he does decent work but there's nothing ground breaking.
If you're french and you want to get a bimax and get an improvement, sure go ahead. I simply booked an appointment.
In my case, eventhough I clearly have a myriad of failos related to my jaw, he was also only willing to do mandible+chin which is insanely suboptimal for me (doesn't address my extremely steep occlusion plane, my total absence or width or vertical projection at the gonions ,especially since I have good cheekbone, would leave me with a very steep jaw angle since I'm extremely downgrown, and an even longer face; doesn't address my slight asymmetry at the midline).
Like I said, extremely basic diagnosis for extremely basic improvement.

For the record Ramieri proposed this for function + aesthetics (which was exactly what I need and wanted to the T : Bimax with CCW and slight impaction (adresses most of the issues), + genio with vertical shortening (long chin after CCW), + implate because of my extremely small mandible.
That's what a comprehensive treatment looks like. I haven't done 2 years of braces, got 2 teeth removed for decompensation, just to have a mild improvement that still leaves me recessed and subhuman. That's what french surgeon will do to you.

If you think the following jaw is worth doing a small mandible + genio on, then you're not worth it as a surgeon.
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anyone you’d recommend to look at then? Besides the obvious Ramieri, etc?

 

[Vargelkin]

I'm not able to recommend surgeons I haven't paid a visit to unlike some in this forum, so unfortunately no.

I would advise you to go to surgeons who are known to have some sort of dialogue with their patients and offers customized surgery plans.
Many guys on this forum have done extensive research and some of them are very qualified to have an enlightened conversation with the surgeon about the different possibilities and outcomes, and for a surgery that is so invasive, pricey (it depends but I'm willing to pay way more for that opportunity) and impactful, it's in my opinion the most important element unless you want to be uninvolved.

You can get a good result while having no idea about jaw surgery but in my case that's just not me, I obviously knew what I wanted and why and generally french surgeons were very rigid and closed off, in fact the whole system more than the surgeon is, my orthodontist was extremely reluctant to work with a foreign surgeon.

 

[bjebb007]

I heard french surgeons aren't blackpilled?

 

[Galvatron]

I’ve never loved a user more. Thank you

 

[duduboy]

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Last night I gave our State of the Union Address and it was beautiful, just beautiful, but what's not so beautiful is the state of surgery... WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT. WE WILL MAKE SURGERY GREAT AGAIN! And here's how.

A FRENCH BIMAX IS ONLY 5k-10k USD MAX IN 2026! So here are some French surgeons. They are high quality, experienced, first world, AND affordable!

ALSO PLEASE GIVE ME A THUMBS UP FOR SPENDING 2 HOURS ON THIS, THANK YOU.

Keep in mind, I am "high inhib" and try to make sure a surgeon is very good, clean record or within reason of one. Of course, it is easier to have a clean record if you are a newer doctor, doing mostly low risk operations like wisdom teeth removal, and barely have any reviews online.

Did some research,
Here is what I found:
Jean-Baptiste Charrier (over charges because of international hype) "Failed me aesthetically and functionally. Following the operation I have a bad occlusion on the right side, I have pain that is difficult to bear when I eat, yawn or sleep on my side. My face has become ugly. Know that once you have told him of your dissatisfaction he will tell you to go see a shrink and will not give you any more sign of life. And be careful he will impose HIS shrink, who does not give any invoice and has no plaque (for information it is forbidden to impose a particular shrink on a patient)."
just one of the bad reviews i found, i found another that complained of poor aesthetics after as well so i would stay away. another review said he ruined their life because of him botching them and that he will gaslight you if you complain of being botched.
AVOID

Pierre Bouletreu. Seems good but not much about him online so can be risky. Here are some good reviews about him (and both said they had a good surgery with him) so I think he is fine.


Didier Ernenwein. Seems OK.

Gonzague Deffrennes. AVOID, too many bad reviews.

Emmanuel Racy AVOID, plagued by bad reviews.

Serge Ketoff Seems OK I guess? Has some bad reviews due to being "rude" (Hes probably just autistic), nothing about botching. Seems somewhat MORAL (He will refuse to operate on people if he doesn't see you as a good candidate). Good reviews everywhere including reddit.

Frederic Barere Too many bad reviews and causes too many problems for patients that would be really bad if he did a bimax or something on you (For example, people complain of him not noticing an infection in their mouth, this would be a disaster for people who just had a bimax)

Pierre Olivi ONLY ONE I'M 50/50 MIXED ON. a few bad reviews you can read on google but he responds to them all intelligently, There's also a very good review on Reddit jaw surgery sub plus many other good online reviews in general. Might not be the best surgeon in the list but worth speaking to.

Jacques Yachouh AVOID! BUTCHER!

Jacques Chardai could not find a single surgeon with this name but im also lazy and not french

Amaury Gindre Avoid i think, his reviews about leaving people in numbing pain are too worrying.

Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy Seems fine but mostly does wisdom tooth removal I think although I guess the same applies to most surgeons. Hard to find reviews about him doing bimax or genio.

Thierry Loncle (will most likely overcharge cuz of international hype I think)
Hard to find reviews for him, he's like Pierre B. in that way. I think he is fine though, he is famous, well-known, recommended often including on r/jawsurgery, you can look at his instagram page too and look at his results too.

Jean-Christophe Lutz GOOD. PERFECT REVIEWS ONLINE plus they are mostly about blackpilled shit not cope wisdom tooth removal, ZERO BAD ONES but lets remember that surgeons can remove bad reviews sometimes and also he only has 30, still a good surgeon though I'd say

Thank you @chrishell and @LackEmpathyTherefor for the list, mostly chris because he wrote it originally

Will respond in comments if I find any more good/bad info about surgeons.

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[duduboy]

thoughts on ramieri, alfaro e pagnoni?

 

[duduboy]

This is a very low IQ post.

I met half of the surgeons on the list. They will simply not work with you and they will CERTAINLY not do unnecessary surgical movements on you.
Most of them will not even consider doing surgery with you unless you're getting treated locally by their orthodontists.
Source : I met 4 of these guys, namely Dujoncquoy (very blue pilled, extremely conservative), Yachouh (more surgery oriented than Dujoncq but very conservative and function oriented. 0 dialogue.), Pierre Olivi (just your run of the mill surgeon), Thierry Loncle (0 eye for aesthetics (he's literally botched himself by terrible PS, and he's gay), basically told me he sees my case but has 0 incentive to work with me over another LOCAL patient :"I don't need to do it, so why would I" vibe) , but at least he sent me home without charging me.

Meanwhile, Ramieri told me EXACTLY the blackpilled high IQ surgery plan that I had elaborated by myself. This is the difference between these surgeons and internationally minded surgeons like Ramieri. Going to France you will literally waste your money on the plane tickets and airbnb's.
The price difference is insane I agree (Yachouh quoted me 2700 euros for mandible + chin), but if you have the money, it's a completely different approach.

You've been warned.

what do you think about alfaro e pagnoni?