GTFIH - Thoughts on first cycle?

[fezzz]

Im 16 - 125lbs looking for a good boost in muscle mass. This will be my starter stack:
Morning- Shilajit, enclomiphene (6.25mg), multivitamin
Night- Ashwaganda, mk677(10mg), collagen supp
My diet is the following:
Morning- 5 eggs, cheese, 3/4 avocado
Lunch- Dark chocolate, quinoa, walnuts, carrots
Dinner- 1-2 raw eggs, either salmon, steak or chicken then banana milk yogurt smoothie and oatmeal
If I can get ostarine I will run that but how will my current stack affect me?
Ty for reading

 

[zuku]

Im 16 - 125lbs looking for a good boost in muscle mass. This will be my starter stack:
Morning- Shilajit, enclomiphene (6.25mg), multivitamin
Night- Ashwaganda, mk677(10mg), collagen supp
My diet is the following:
Morning- 5 eggs, cheese, 3/4 avocado
Lunch- Dark chocolate, quinoa, walnuts, carrots
Dinner- 1-2 raw eggs, either salmon, steak or chicken then banana milk yogurt smoothie and oatmeal
If I can get ostarine I will run that but how will my current stack affect me?
Ty for reading

so...
where are the steroids ?

 

[copercel123]

Im 16 - 125lbs looking for a good boost in muscle mass. This will be my starter stack:
Morning- Shilajit, enclomiphene (6.25mg), multivitamin
Night- Ashwaganda, mk677(10mg), collagen supp
My diet is the following:
Morning- 5 eggs, cheese, 3/4 avocado
Lunch- Dark chocolate, quinoa, walnuts, carrots
Dinner- 1-2 raw eggs, either salmon, steak or chicken then banana milk yogurt smoothie and oatmeal
If I can get ostarine I will run that but how will my current stack affect me?
Ty for reading

Where are the roids

 

[fezzz]

so...
where are the steroids ?

Ostarine if I can get my hands on it. For right now im gonna run Enclo+mk677 for solid test + hgh

 

[fezzz]

so...
where are the steroids ?

Not really roids but I heard enclo and mk can help. Wondering how much

 

[FIuffy]

That’s not a cycle but a giant wast of money for unhealthy crap. Diet is good though, pretty much exactly what I eat

 

[zuku]

Ostarine if I can get my hands on it. For right now im gonna run Enclo+mk677 for solid test + hgh

mb didn't know what ostarine was
but it's just sarms, if you don't take a testosterone base you will crash your hormones

 

[Britva]

Ostarine if I can get my hands on it. For right now im gonna run Enclo+mk677 for solid test + hgh

Just use hgh at this point

 

[fezzz]

Just use hgh at this point

No fridge to store + expensive and sourcing is hard. I might when I move out

 

[fezzz]

mb didn't know what ostarine was
but it's just sarms, if you don't take a testosterone base you will crash your hormones

Thats why im currently running enclomiphene for higher natural test. Thoughts?

 

[fezzz]

That’s not a cycle but a giant wast of money for unhealthy crap. Diet is good though, pretty much exactly what I eat

Proof? Non greycels please confirm

 

[Britva]

Ostarine if I can get my hands on it. For right now im gonna run Enclo+mk677 for solid test + hgh

No fridge to store + expensive and sourcing is hard. I might when I move out

Just order from chinese niggas on telegram, you're telling me you don't have a fridge?

 

[fezzz]

Just order from chinese niggas on telegram, you're telling me you don't have a fridge?

No, I do in my parents house but I cant do that for obv reasons. Im 16.

 

[zuku]

Thats why im currently running enclomiphene for higher natural test. Thoughts?

It's pretty good imo, sorry for my low iq confusion

 

[fezzz]

It's pretty good imo, sorry for my low iq confusion

No its okay. Literature is pretty low on whether enclomiphene can be a good muscle booster but I guess ill find out

 

[FIuffy]

Proof? Non greycels please confirm

Effect of the Orally Active Growth Hormone Secretagogue MK-677 on Somatic Growth in Rats - PubMed

Our results suggest that prolonged administration of MK-677 in rats does not promote growth despite the GH stimulatory effect of MK-677, which may be related to increased expression of SST in the hypothalamus. Further studies are needed to overcome the observed desensitization to GHS.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

No growth in rats despite Hgh stimulation

Effects of an Oral Ghrelin Mimetic on Body Composition and Clinical Outcomes in Healthy Older Adults: A Randomized, Controlled Trial - PMC

Growth hormone (GH) secretion and muscle mass decline from mid-puberty throughout life culminating in sarcopenia, frailty, decreased function and loss of independence. Determine if an oral ghrelin mimetic (MK-677) would enhance GH secretion into the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also decreased insulin sensitivity. Enclo should be fine but far from the most efficient

 

[fezzz]

Effect of the Orally Active Growth Hormone Secretagogue MK-677 on Somatic Growth in Rats - PubMed

Our results suggest that prolonged administration of MK-677 in rats does not promote growth despite the GH stimulatory effect of MK-677, which may be related to increased expression of SST in the hypothalamus. Further studies are needed to overcome the observed desensitization to GHS.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

No growth in rats despite Hgh stimulation

Effects of an Oral Ghrelin Mimetic on Body Composition and Clinical Outcomes in Healthy Older Adults: A Randomized, Controlled Trial - PMC

Growth hormone (GH) secretion and muscle mass decline from mid-puberty throughout life culminating in sarcopenia, frailty, decreased function and loss of independence. Determine if an oral ghrelin mimetic (MK-677) would enhance GH secretion into the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also decreased insulin sensitivity. Enclo should be fine but far from the most efficient

Insulin sensitivity is due to dose + carb intake. I take at night after not eating for 2 hours. Also my carb intake isnt too high. I heard anecdotal reports of the hgh + igf1 boost still increasing height but its mostly to counter enclomiphene sides. Is enclomiphene as good as TRT?

 

[forestanon]

Ostarine if I can get my hands on it. For right now im gonna run Enclo+mk677 for solid test + hgh

enclo for test and mk for hgh every day i convince myself more that .org is done for

 

[fezzz]

enclo for test and mk for hgh every day i convince myself more that .org is done for

Not realistic to drop all my allowance on HGH and inject test when these compounds do the same without suppressing

 

[FIuffy]

Insulin sensitivity is due to dose + carb intake. I take at night after not eating for 2 hours. Also my carb intake isnt too high. I heard anecdotal reports of the hgh + igf1 boost still increasing height but its mostly to counter enclomiphene sides. Is enclomiphene as good as TRT?

Enclo is mostly used as a pct to reactivate your test production. I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as a higher dosed cycle or long-term TRT but I’d just take Test it’s bioidentical, therefore decently safe and pretty cheap

 

[fezzz]

Enclo is mostly used as a pct to reactivate your test production. I’m not sure if it’s ever been studied as a higher dosed cycle or long-term TRT but I’d just take Test it’s bioidentical, therefore decently safe and pretty cheap

Cant get it right now. Enclo is shown to double endogenous test. Thoughts?

 

[fezzz]

Effect of the Orally Active Growth Hormone Secretagogue MK-677 on Somatic Growth in Rats - PubMed

Our results suggest that prolonged administration of MK-677 in rats does not promote growth despite the GH stimulatory effect of MK-677, which may be related to increased expression of SST in the hypothalamus. Further studies are needed to overcome the observed desensitization to GHS.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

No growth in rats despite Hgh stimulation

Effects of an Oral Ghrelin Mimetic on Body Composition and Clinical Outcomes in Healthy Older Adults: A Randomized, Controlled Trial - PMC

Growth hormone (GH) secretion and muscle mass decline from mid-puberty throughout life culminating in sarcopenia, frailty, decreased function and loss of independence. Determine if an oral ghrelin mimetic (MK-677) would enhance GH secretion into the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also decreased insulin sensitivity. Enclo should be fine but far from the most efficient

How much do you think I can gain from this stack?

 

[FIuffy]

Cant get it right now. Enclo is shown to double endogenous test. Thoughts?

Enclo increasing test is unquestionably true but I don’t think it could give you t levels anywhere close to 500mg+ doses of test you’d normally use for a full cycle, so results will be different

 

[fezzz]

Enclo increasing test is unquestionably true but I don’t think it could give you t levels anywhere close to 500mg+ doses of test you’d normally use for a full cycle, so results will be different

With my diet and all the supps im thinking I could get 1200ng/dl

 

[FIuffy]

With my diet and all the supps im thinking I could get 1200ng/dl

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I’d also expect Enclo to cap out at naturally high levels.

How much do you think I can gain from this stack?

No idea but your weight indicates that your probably untrained with a naturally fast metabolism. Your caloric intake will pretty much be the ceiling for the first few months even without a cycle. Wait till your gains have noticeably slowed down

 

[fezzz]

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I’d also expect Enclo to cap out at naturally high levels.

No idea but your weight indicates that your probably untrained with a naturally fast metabolism. Your caloric intake will pretty much be the ceiling for the first few months even without a cycle. Wait till your gains have noticeably slowed down

Nah ive been training for 2 years im also 5'6. I got a decent physique but need a boost about now bc my progress is slowly

 

[FIuffy]

Nah ive been training for 2 years im also 5'6. I got a decent physique but need a boost about now bc my progress is slowly

Have you considered something like Ipamorelin if Hgh isn’t possible due to price?

 

[fezzz]

Have you considered something like Ipamorelin if Hgh isn’t possible due to price?

No. Don't know alot about it but I think my plates are closed since I havent grown much in the past 1.5 years. Im hopping this stack wont be cope and can give solid muscle gain

 

[chadisbeingmade]

enclomiphene

Yes bro let’s stunt our growth and call it a “cycle”

 

[FIuffy]

No. Don't know alot about it but I think my plates are closed since I havent grown much in the past 1.5 years. Im hopping this stack wont be cope and can give solid muscle gain

Full closure at 16 is highly unlikely and Hgh is also highly anabolic without the negative cognitive sides as AAS

 

[fezzz]

Full closure at 16 is highly unlikely and Hgh is also highly anabolic without the negative cognitive sides as AAS

Thats why imma run mk677 at 10mg and start low on enclo so my plates dont close.

 

[fezzz]

Yes bro let’s stunt our growth and call it a “cycle”

Ai + low dose

 

[BlendedBlade]

You doing natty plus? Instead of ostarine I’d do rad-140 at least

Ostarine is inferior to lgd and rad

Ac-262 and acp-105 are also much better than ostarine

 

[Zagro]

Not realistic to drop all my allowance on HGH and inject test when these compounds do the same without suppressing

They don’t do the same

 

[fezzz]

They don’t do the same

Is my stack still solid?

 

[fezzz]

You doing natty plus? Instead of ostarine I’d do rad-140 at least

Ostarine is inferior to lgd and rad

Ac-262 and acp-105 are also much better than ostarine

Dont wanna age me plus im probably gonna start with my stack first before buying ostarine. Still good muscle gains?

 

[forestanon]

Not realistic to drop all my allowance on HGH and inject test when these compounds do the same without suppressing

"when these compounds do the same" yeah cuz 6.25mg enclo is gonna double/triple your test and 15mg mk is gonna double your igf1

 

[BlendedBlade]

Dont wanna age me plus im probably gonna start with my stack first before buying ostarine. Still good muscle gains?

Tbh I don’t think you’ve got good genetics if you’re that skinny

That said if you eat a shit ton, train fucking hard and take some anabolics you will grow, but how much is just genetics

Btw Sarms won’t age you that much

 

[fezzz]

"when these compounds do the same" yeah cuz 6.25mg enclo is gonna double/triple your test and 15mg mk is gonna double your igf1

It does double your test or come close esp with my diet and other supps. Dont need nothing crazy just a noticable difference

 

[Zagro]

Is my stack still solid?

It might give you a slight boost, there are better things you could take but you don’t want to shutdown i assume

 

[fezzz]

It might give you a slight boost, there are better things you could take but you don’t want to shutdown i assume

I don't mind shutdown but I cant get hard roids since im young. I will when im 18. Solid boost as in noticable like 1000+ ng/dl?

 

[Newday*V3]

 

[BlendedBlade]

I don't mind shutdown but I cant get hard roids since im young. I will when im 18. Solid boost as in noticable like 1000+ ng/dl?

Just stay natural for now bro, you clearly don’t know what you’re doing

Eat a shit ton of food but keep estrogen in check and don’t get obese

Train hard, optimize natural T production

Then when you’re ready you can roid

 

[fezzz]

bump

 

[fezzz]

bump

 

[übermog]

Shilajit

poisonous

 

[übermog]

enclomiphene

closes growth plates

 

[übermog]

multivitamin

doesnt work + poisonous

 

[übermog]

Ashwaganda

poisonous

 

[übermog]

mk677

alright if run solo but bad in combo with hgh bc it decreases receptor sensitivity greatly