Guide on male upper body ideals according to females and how to calculate.

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Hi, this is my 1st real guide so sorry for any formatting mistakes.
Ill keep this guide simple so its easier to read.
were gonna be talking about 4 core/important points your upper body consists off.


1. Facial Width
2. Bideltoid Width
3. Waist Width
4. Hip Width


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Lets start with the ideal measurements according to females;

1. Bideltoid width : facial width ratio, the ideal is 3.5-3.8

2. Bideltoid width : waist width ratio, the ideal is 1.6

3. Bideltoid width : Hip width ratio, the ideal is 1.4

4. Hip width : Waist width ratio, the ideal is 1.1-1.2

5. Waist width : Facial width ratio, the ideal is 2.1-2.4

6. Hip width : Facial width ratio, the ideal is 2.4-2.7

All measurements are done from left to right meaning its not measured in a circumference.

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I will explain how to measure here:

in this example i will be using David Laid,
lets calcute his ratios;

1. Bideltoid width : Facial width = 100 : 25,6 = 3.91

2. Bideltoid width : Waist width = 100 : 49.9 = 2.00

3. Bideltoid width : Hip width = 100 : 63.2 = 1.58

4. Hip width : waist width = 63.2 : 49.9 = 1.27

5. Waist width : Facial width = 49.9 : 25.6 = 1.95

6. Hip width : Facial width = 63.2 : 25.6 = 2.5


Screenshot 20250610 211812 ImageMeter


these are his proportions compared to the ideal, as you can see his shoulders are too broad and his waist too narrow, although we males dont care about that we actually prefer it more but females dont. of course theres exceptions.

RatioIdealDavid LaidDeviation
bideltoid : Facial width3.5–3.83.91Slightly High
bideltoid : Waist1.62.00High
bideltoid : Hip1.41.58Moderate
Hip : Waist1.1–1.21.27High
Waist : Facial width2.1–2.41.95Slightly Low
Hip : Facial width2.4–2.72.50Within Ideal

chatgpt made chart.

you can measure the ratios youself on your phone very easily and quick, just take a picture of your frame and download 'imagemeter'
import your desired picture and start calculating




So Based on my calculations David Laids upper body proportions are to extreme for girls:feelsmega:

I wont be explaining how to fix these ratios since i feel like theres enough threads/common knowledge about that already, if i get many requests ill make a detailed guide about that.
This was it for today lads:feelsez:

THESE RATIOS ARE ACCORDING TO WOMEN NOT MEN SO DONT CRY ABOUT RATIOS, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK FROM MALE PERSPECTIVE TAKE SHOULDER RATIO 0.25 ISH OVER IDEAL (Cagefuel warning)
1 Waist-to-Hip Ratio and Facial Attractiveness (Pilot Study)

2 Shoulder-to-Hip Ratio Study

3 Blog Summary of Scientific Aesthetics
 
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dnr
 
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Dnr but bookmarked, brain too fried to read allat rn, big ups for the effort though
 
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good thread high iq
 
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Hi, this is my 1st real guide so sorry for any formatting mistakes.
Ill keep this guide simple so its easier to read.
were gonna be talking about 4 core/important points your upper body consists off.


1. Facial Width
2. Bideltoid Width
3. Waist Width
4. Hip Width


--------
Lets start with the ideal measurements according to females;

1. Bideltoid width : facial width ratio, the ideal is 3.5-3.8

2. Bideltoid width : waist width ratio, the ideal is 1.6

3. Bideltoid width : Hip width ratio, the ideal is 1.4

4. Hip width : Waist width ratio, the ideal is 1.1-1.2

5. Waist width : Facial width ratio, the ideal is 2.1-2.4

6. Hip width : Facial width ratio, the ideal is 2.4-2.7

All measurements are done from left to right meaning its not measured in a circumference.

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I will explain how to measure here:

in this example i will be using David Laid,
lets calcute his ratios;

1. Bideltoid width : Facial width = 100 : 25,6 = 3.91

2. Bideltoid width : Waist width = 100 : 49.9 = 2.00

3. Bideltoid width : Hip width = 100 : 63.2 = 1.58

4. Hip width : waist width = 63.2 : 49.9 = 1.27

5. Waist width : Facial width = 49.9 : 25.6 = 1.95

6. Hip width : Facial width = 63.2 : 25.6 = 2.5


View attachment 3815006

these are his proportions compared to the ideal, as you can see his shoulders are too broad and his waist too narrow, although we males dont care about that we actually prefer it more but females dont. of course theres exceptions.

RatioIdealDavid LaidDeviation
bideltoid : Face3.5–3.83.91Slightly High
bideltoid : Waist1.62.00High
bideltoid : Hip1.41.58Moderate
Hip : Waist1.1–1.21.27High
Waist : Facial width2.1–2.41.95Slightly Low
Hip : Facial width2.4–2.72.50Within Ideal

chatgpt made chart.



So Based on my calculations David Laids upper body proportions are to extreme for girls:feelsmega:

I wont be explaining how to fix these ratios since i feel like theres enough threads/common knowledge about that already, if i get many requests ill make a detailed guide about that.
This was it for today lads:feelsez:

THESE RATIOS ARE ACCORDING TO WOMEN NOT MEN SO DONT CRY ABOUT RATIOS, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK FROM MALE PERSPECTIVE TAKE SHOULDER RATIO 0.25 ISH OVER IDEAL (Cagefuel warning)
1 Waist-to-Hip Ratio and Facial Attractiveness (Pilot Study)

2 Shoulder-to-Hip Ratio Study

3 Blog Summary of Scientific Aesthetics
Really good thread good job bhai:feelsgood:
 
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good thread:love:
 
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Hi, this is my 1st real guide so sorry for any formatting mistakes.
Ill keep this guide simple so its easier to read.
were gonna be talking about 4 core/important points your upper body consists off.


1. Facial Width
2. Bideltoid Width
3. Waist Width
4. Hip Width


--------
Lets start with the ideal measurements according to females;

1. Bideltoid width : facial width ratio, the ideal is 3.5-3.8

2. Bideltoid width : waist width ratio, the ideal is 1.6

3. Bideltoid width : Hip width ratio, the ideal is 1.4

4. Hip width : Waist width ratio, the ideal is 1.1-1.2

5. Waist width : Facial width ratio, the ideal is 2.1-2.4

6. Hip width : Facial width ratio, the ideal is 2.4-2.7

All measurements are done from left to right meaning its not measured in a circumference.

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I will explain how to measure here:

in this example i will be using David Laid,
lets calcute his ratios;

1. Bideltoid width : Facial width = 100 : 25,6 = 3.91

2. Bideltoid width : Waist width = 100 : 49.9 = 2.00

3. Bideltoid width : Hip width = 100 : 63.2 = 1.58

4. Hip width : waist width = 63.2 : 49.9 = 1.27

5. Waist width : Facial width = 49.9 : 25.6 = 1.95

6. Hip width : Facial width = 63.2 : 25.6 = 2.5


View attachment 3815006

these are his proportions compared to the ideal, as you can see his shoulders are too broad and his waist too narrow, although we males dont care about that we actually prefer it more but females dont. of course theres exceptions.

RatioIdealDavid LaidDeviation
bideltoid : Face3.5–3.83.91Slightly High
bideltoid : Waist1.62.00High
bideltoid : Hip1.41.58Moderate
Hip : Waist1.1–1.21.27High
Waist : Facial width2.1–2.41.95Slightly Low
Hip : Facial width2.4–2.72.50Within Ideal

chatgpt made chart.



So Based on my calculations David Laids upper body proportions are to extreme for girls:feelsmega:

I wont be explaining how to fix these ratios since i feel like theres enough threads/common knowledge about that already, if i get many requests ill make a detailed guide about that.
This was it for today lads:feelsez:

THESE RATIOS ARE ACCORDING TO WOMEN NOT MEN SO DONT CRY ABOUT RATIOS, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK FROM MALE PERSPECTIVE TAKE SHOULDER RATIO 0.25 ISH OVER IDEAL (Cagefuel warning)
1 Waist-to-Hip Ratio and Facial Attractiveness (Pilot Study)

2 Shoulder-to-Hip Ratio Study

3 Blog Summary of Scientific Aesthetics
Facial width as of fwhr?
 
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yes but fwhr is facial width to height ratio so in this case just measure the bizygomatic width
My fwhr is 2.34 is it good?
 
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My fwhr is 2.34 is it good?
not very good your midface is either to short or your bizygomatic width is to large.
did you measure from the nasion to the upper vermillion?
 
not very good your midface is either to short or your bizygomatic width is to large.
did you measure from the nasion to the upper vermillion?
My midface is compact and my zygos are wude but no prominent
 
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My midface is compact and my zygos are wude but no prominent
i guess you measured correctly than, theres multiple surgeries you could take to get your fwhr to the ideal (2.00) the surgeries could be nasal lengthening, downgraft lefort 1 and lip lowerment but it depends on your features which one you should take
 
i guess you measured correctly than, theres multiple surgeries you could take to get your fwhr to the ideal (2.00) the surgeries could be nasal lengthening, downgraft lefort 1 and lip lowerment but it depends on your features which one you should take
I need all 3 of it, my nose is small from side, lefort is legit my maxilla is recesed, lip lowerment is valid my lower lip is bigger than upper:feelswhy:
 
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Mention WCR.
 
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i think ill make a guide about how to fix these ratios
A guide on how to perform incantations that remodel your skeleton? Make sure to tag me.
 
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A guide on how to perform incantations that remodel your skeleton? Make sure to tag me.
not really about the skeleton but more in a general way like muscles, fat etc

i havent really started yet but ill make sure to tag you
 
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Good thread

Time to hit some more side delts for Bideltoid width
 
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