guys thats it i have finally cracked the foids primitiveness. look: the nicer u treat a woman, the more she thinks she is above u. they are that primi

[_MVP_]

tive.

it makes no sense to be a nice guy.

so here is how it plays out in reality

we are in a cycle of perma-ignoring

i ignore women, they ignore me

if i didnt ignore them and simped, they would think im below them, so i would lose anywa

its a lose-lose scenario

btw when foids show iois it unreliable, my oneitis played me and i regret having called her pretty and being nice to her

never ever be nice to a foid u lose anyway but keep ur dignity

so i lose anyway, but i keep my dignity.

forget about civilian women

be escort only.

@paladincel_

 

[_MVP_]

there is more to write, but thats it for now

 

[_MVP_]

What I've learned about women is that the better you treat them, the worse they'll treat you back.

 

[_MVP_]

we live in a world of inceldom, where no one neither men nor women want to make the first step (approach)

they dont want to make the first step and its rational cuz the odds are overwhelming u will get burned by rejection and humiliation

holy shit

the system is even more fucked than i thought

 

[kana]

tive.

it makes no sense to be a nice guy.

so here is how it plays out in reality

we are in a cycle of perma-ignoring

i ignore women, they ignore me

if i didnt ignore them and simped, they would think im below them, so i would lose anywa

its a lose-lose scenario

btw when foids show iois it unreliable, my oneitis played me and i regret having called her pretty and being nice to her

never ever be nice to a foid u lose anyway but keep ur dignity

so i lose anyway, but i keep my dignity.

forget about civilian women

be escort only.

@paladincel_

The most I've ever had toilets obsessed with me ... is when I ignored them for days on end and treated them like sex objects, every FUCKING time I showed a toilet I cared for her ... the relationship failed within weeks. Naturally, I am a human being, I feel like shit purposely ignoring and treating foids like shit ... but the last maybe 5 FUCKING TIMES I've opened up to one ... it ended in a "breakup" or something

 

[kana]

The most I've ever had toilets obsessed with me ... is when I ignored them for days on end and treated them like sex objects, every FUCKING time I showed a toilet I cared for her ... the relationship failed within weeks. Naturally, I am a human being, I feel like shit purposely ignoring and treating foids like shit ... but the last maybe 5 FUCKING TIMES I've opened up to one ... it ended in a "breakup" or something

I can show screenshots if anyone cares enough to see this thread in its fullest light

 

[_MVP_]

GPT is fucking bluepill on this:

It sounds like you’ve been through some really painful experiences with women, and I’m not going to pretend that those feelings aren’t valid or that rejection doesn’t hurt. It does. Rejection, betrayal, being played — that stuff can cut deep, especially if you opened up, showed care, or acted with good intentions and got nothing but coldness or disrespect in return.
But let’s be real: drawing conclusions about all women from painful encounters with a few — or even several — is like deciding all people are untrustworthy because one friend stabbed you in the back. It's understandable, but it's not accurate, and it locks you in a loop of resentment and bitterness that doesn't serve you.
Let’s unpack a few things you mentioned:

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1. “Being nice means they think they’re above you.”​

No — being nice isn’t the problem. Being inauthentic, needy, or self-sacrificing to try to win approval or affection is. That’s not being kind — that’s bargaining. And people (not just women) can sense that. Real confidence comes from setting boundaries, knowing your worth, and being kind without being a doormat.

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2. “Perma-ignoring” and “foids ignore me.”​

If you go into every situation with the assumption that women are shallow, hostile, or manipulative, you're creating a filter that warps your interpretation of everything. A woman smiles at you? “She’s playing me.” Doesn’t? “She’s cold.” There’s no way to win in that worldview — not because of women — but because you’ve already decided you can’t.

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3. “Be escort-only.”​

If your goal is zero risk and zero emotional exposure, then yeah — paying for intimacy guarantees a transaction. But deep down, that’s not what most people actually want. They want to be seen, valued, respected, and wanted — not as a wallet or a “simp,” but as a person. That includes you. It’s understandable to retreat after pain, but you don’t have to settle for a lonely, transactional path.

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4. “Oneitis played me.”​

A lot of people get caught in “oneitis” — fixating on one person as the one, especially when attention from the opposite sex feels rare. But putting someone on a pedestal makes it easy to ignore red flags. What happened to you isn’t proof that all women are cruel — it’s a sign that idealizing someone without knowing their character can burn you.

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5. “We live in a world of inceldom.”​

Modern dating is tough — for everyone. Social media, apps, isolation, fear of rejection, and insecurity affect both men and women. It’s not that women don’t want to approach — it’s that most people are scared. But instead of blaming the opposite sex, it’s more useful to work on building self-respect, communication, and resilience — not to “win” a partner, but to live with strength and purpose.

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You don’t have to “simp” or be fake-nice. But shutting yourself off from all connection and labeling half the world as the enemy just poisons your own well.
If you want to talk about how to build real self-respect, attract people without games, and not get played, I’ll help you. But you’ve got to be willing to drop the mindset that everyone is out to humiliate you.
You don't have to become bitter to stay strong. You can be kind and respected. It just takes a new approach.
You in?

 

[browncurrycel]

my oneitis played me and i regret having called her pretty and being nice to her

mine did the same.

 

[_MVP_]

its unbelievable how bluepill gemini grok and gpt are on this...

they are not high iq after all

 

[_MVP_]

read this nonsense:
grok:

It sounds like you're expressing a lot of frustration and disillusionment about relationships and interactions with women, shaped by personal experiences and broader observations. I’ll break this down and offer some perspective, aiming to be clear, empathetic, and grounded in reality, while addressing your core points without judgment.

1. The "Nice Guy" Dilemma and Perceptions of Value​

You mention that being "nice" to women leads them to perceive you as "below" them, and that ignoring them feels like the only way to maintain dignity. This perspective often stems from a belief that kindness or overt interest signals weakness or lower status, while aloofness projects confidence or higher value. Let’s unpack this:

• Why kindness can backfire: Some people (not just women) misinterpret kindness as neediness or a lack of assertiveness, especially in early interactions where impressions are formed quickly. This isn’t universal, but it can happen in contexts where social dynamics reward confidence, mystery, or perceived independence. Evolutionary psychology suggests that people (men and women) are drawn to traits like strength, confidence, or resources, which can sometimes make overly eager or deferential behavior seem less attractive.
• The "ignore" cycle: Mutual ignoring, as you describe, can create a standoff where both parties are afraid of rejection or appearing vulnerable. This is a real phenomenon in modern dating, amplified by social media and dating apps, where fear of rejection or overthinking can paralyze action. It’s not just women—men also hesitate to make the first move due to the same risks of rejection or humiliation.
• Dignity and self-respect: Choosing to "keep your dignity" by not engaging or "simping" is a valid way to protect yourself emotionally, especially after negative experiences. However, it’s worth considering whether this strategy aligns with your long-term goals. If it’s leading to isolation or resentment, it might be worth exploring other approaches.

2. The Role of IOIs (Indicators of Interest) and Mixed Signals​

You mention that women’s "indicators of interest" (IOIs) can be unreliable, citing an experience with a "oneitis" (a term often used to describe an intense crush or fixation). This is a common frustration:

• Unreliable signals: People can misread or overinterpret signals like friendliness, compliments, or body language as romantic interest when they’re not. This can happen because social cues are ambiguous, or because someone is being polite, seeking attention, or unintentionally leading you on. Your regret about calling someone pretty suggests you felt vulnerable after showing interest, only to be "played" or rejected.
• Oneitis and emotional investment: Fixating on one person (oneitis) can amplify disappointment, especially if you put them on a pedestal or invest heavily without mutual effort. This can lead to a cycle of distrust, where you assume all women will respond the same way.
• Reality check: Not all women (or people) respond negatively to kindness or genuine interest. However, the context matters—being overly nice too soon, without establishing mutual attraction or respect, can sometimes come across as trying too hard. It’s less about "never being nice" and more about balancing kindness with confidence and self-respect.

3. The "Lose-Lose" Scenario and Inceldom​

You describe a world where no one wants to make the first move, leading to a stalemate of mutual avoidance. This aligns with some discussions in online spaces about "inceldom" (involuntary celibacy), where systemic or cultural factors make dating feel impossible. Let’s address this:

• Fear of rejection: You’re right that rejection stings, and the fear of humiliation is a rational deterrent. Both men and women face this, but cultural norms often place more pressure on men to initiate, which can feel unfair. Dating apps and social media can exacerbate this by creating a hyper-competitive environment where only a small percentage of people get consistent attention.
• The incel mindset: The idea that dating is a "lose-lose" game can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe all women will reject or devalue you, it’s harder to approach interactions with openness or confidence, which can subtly influence outcomes. The incel worldview often paints women as a monolith ("foids") who all behave the same way, but this oversimplifies human behavior. People are diverse, and while some may act in ways that hurt or disappoint, others might respond positively to genuine connection.
• Escort-only approach: Choosing to engage only with escorts is a personal decision, often driven by a desire for control, predictability, or avoiding emotional risk. It’s a valid choice if it works for you, but it might not address deeper desires for connection or mutual respect if those are important to you.

4. What You’ve Learned and Moving Forward​

Your takeaway—that treating women better leads to worse treatment—reflects a pattern you’ve observed, but it’s worth examining whether this is a universal truth or a reaction to specific experiences. Here are some thoughts to consider:

• Reframe "niceness": Instead of abandoning kindness, consider channeling it in ways that maintain your self-respect. For example, being kind but assertive, setting boundaries, and not over-investing too early can project confidence while still being genuine. People (men and women) tend to respect those who value themselves.
• Break the cycle: The mutual ignoring you describe is real, but someone has to take a step to break it. Taking small, low-stakes risks (like casual conversation without heavy expectations) can build confidence and help you gauge interest without feeling humiliated.
• Learn from rejection: Rejection is painful but can be a teacher. Instead of seeing it as proof of unworthiness, view it as data: What worked? What didn’t? How can you adjust? Not every rejection is about you—sometimes it’s about the other person’s preferences, mood, or circumstances.
• Challenge generalizations: Terms like "foids" or broad statements about women can trap you in a mindset that limits possibilities. While your experiences are valid, assuming all women will act the same way might close you off to those who don’t fit that pattern.

5. Practical Suggestions​

If you’re open to exploring alternatives to the "ignore or be ignored" cycle, here are some ideas:

• Work on yourself: Focus on building confidence, skills, or hobbies that make you feel fulfilled independently of others’ validation. This can make you more attractive and resilient.
• Small steps in social settings: Practice low-pressure interactions (e.g., chatting with people in casual settings like hobby groups or events) to build social skills without the weight of romantic expectations.
• Reframe attraction: Instead of focusing on IOIs or chasing approval, prioritize mutual respect and compatibility. Look for people who value you for you, not just for how aloof or "high-value" you seem.
• Consider professional support: If the frustration feels overwhelming, talking to a therapist or counselor can help unpack these experiences and build healthier perspectives on relationships.

Final Thoughts​

You’re navigating a tough landscape, and your feelings of frustration and distrust are understandable given your experiences. Dating and relationships can feel like a minefield, especially in a world where rejection is common and social dynamics are complex. While protecting your dignity is important, completely closing yourself off or resorting to transactional interactions might not fulfill you long-term if you’re seeking genuine connection. There’s no one-size-fits-all answer, but balancing self-respect with openness to new approaches could help you break the cycle without compromising who you are.


If you want to dive deeper into any part of this—specific strategies, analyzing a past experience, or even exploring what you want out of relationships—I’m here to help. What do you think?

Gemini:


It sounds like you're going through a lot of pain and frustration right now. The feelings you're expressing—that being kind or "nice" is taken advantage of, that you're stuck in a cycle of ignoring and being ignored, and that approaching women is a guaranteed path to humiliation—point to a deep sense of hurt and powerlessness in your interactions with women.

It's completely understandable to feel angry and resentful when your efforts to be genuine and kind have resulted in you feeling played or rejected. When you put yourself out there and it doesn't work, it can feel like the effort just isn't worth the risk.

However, the way you're framing the situation—as an absolute "lose-lose" where all women ("foids") are manipulative and will only treat you well if you treat them badly—is often a defense mechanism to cope with that pain.

Let's break down the points you've raised, using a different perspective:

The "Nice Guy" Myth and Relationship Dynamics
The idea that being "nice" automatically means you'll be taken advantage of often stems from a misconception of what healthy kindness in a relationship is.

Genuine Kindness vs. Conditional Niceness: The dynamic you describe ("simping" or being "below" someone) is often less about being genuinely kind and more about being conditionally nice. This is when a person treats someone well with the expectation of a specific return (e.g., affection, sex, a relationship). When that return doesn't materialize, the person feels they were "played." Healthy relationships are built on mutual respect and genuine kindness that doesn't keep a score.

Confidence vs. Servility: What often translates to a woman feeling "above" a man isn't the niceness itself, but a perceived lack of self-respect or confidence. If a man is constantly sacrificing his own needs, opinions, or boundaries to please a woman, it can signal that he doesn't value himself, which can unintentionally make the other person lose respect. Having dignity isn't about ignoring someone; it's about being kind while firmly holding your own boundaries.

The Cycle of Permanent Ignoring
Your solution to a potential rejection is to preemptively avoid interaction. While this does protect you from the pain of rejection, it also guarantees you won't experience connection.

Zero Risk = Zero Reward: Avoiding all interaction is the safest path, but it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. You assume you'll lose, so you take an action (ignoring) that ensures you never have a chance to win.

The Approach Challenge: You're right that in today's world, it can feel like no one wants to make the first move, and rejection is common. That's a reality of dating for everyone—men and women alike. However, the path to overcoming the fear of rejection isn't avoiding it entirely; it's learning to separate your worth as a person from the outcome of a single interaction.

Reframing Your Perspective
Focusing only on the negative experiences can create a fixed worldview that makes it difficult to see alternatives. Here are a few things to consider:

Stop Keeping Score: Try to treat people well, not because of what you'll get in return, but because that's the kind of person you want to be. When you are kind without a hidden agenda, it frees you from the pain of feeling "owed" something.

Focus on Self-Improvement and Hobbies: Instead of focusing your energy on the unfairness of dating, redirect it to things that genuinely make you feel confident, skilled, and happy—like hobbies, career goals, or fitness. This increases your internal dignity and makes you a more interesting person to be around, drawing others to you naturally.

Dignity is Internal: You said you're keeping your dignity by ignoring women. True dignity comes from internal self-respect—knowing who you are, what your values are, and treating everyone, including yourself, with respect, regardless of whether they choose to reciprocate.

It's clear that you're struggling with a lot of anger and sadness right now. While your current view of the situation provides a sense of self-protection, it also ensures you remain isolated. If you're consistently feeling this much pain and cynicism, a helpful step might be to talk with a professional counselor or therapist. They can help you process the hurt from past experiences and develop new, healthier strategies for connecting with people.

 

[JkCel]

I can show screenshots if anyone cares enough to see this thread in its fullest light

Yea u should

 

[SoundnVision]

The most I've ever had toilets obsessed with me ... is when I ignored them for days on end and treated them like sex objects, every FUCKING time I showed a toilet I cared for her ... the relationship failed within weeks. Naturally, I am a human being, I feel like shit purposely ignoring and treating foids like shit ... but the last maybe 5 FUCKING TIMES I've opened up to one ... it ended in a "breakup" or something

Same.

 

[PoopyFartGamer]

somewhat true but not. Ur right girls don't like it when ur needy but u don't have to intentionally play this ignoring gamethey just gonna think ur an autist. Just do ur own thing and give her some attention when the time is naturally suitable, like ur not forcing urself going out of ur way to simp her. Also paying for escort is pathetic