Hair Transplant

[Jgns]

I went to a hair transplant consult in Canada. I’m 20 and I’ve been on dut for a year and oral min for like two years. The doctor said I’m around a NW1.5 and my hair’s actually better than before, but he refused to do a transplant because I’m under 25 and he said you can’t really tell someone’s long-term hair loss pattern yet. I only want to thicken the first inch of my hairline and the corners since that thinned before I started meds. I’m just worried that when I go to Turkey, they’ll say the same thing. What do you guys think

 

[Jgns]

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[Soter]

I went to a hair transplant consult in Canada. I’m 20 and I’ve been on dut for a year and oral min for like two years. The doctor said I’m around a NW1.5 and my hair’s actually better than before, but he refused to do a transplant because I’m under 25 and he said you can’t really tell someone’s long-term hair loss pattern yet. I only want to thicken the first inch of my hairline and the corners since that thinned before I started meds. I’m just worried that when I go to Turkey, they’ll say the same thing. What do you guys think

The surgeon is right

 

[Jgns]

The surgeon is right

yeah I should wait for 5 years till I'm in my mid twenties for the unlikely chance that my hair loss even on this regiment would continue to such a degree that the 7000 donor grafts that I probably have wouldn't cut it and I'd be depressed with a bald middle area. Instead of getting a thickass frontal area using at max a fourth of my grafts and ascending in my early 20s.

 

[Jgns]

idk I feel like theres alot to gain but so little to loose like if I lose my hair to such an insane degree even on these meds I'll be a n4 with or without a ht, whats the point of hair atp if you're just frauding combovers idk

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Iam in the same situation as you, literally same age only I started fin and dut earlier .

And I got rejected by Turkish clinic, and Thai clinic said I should do fut not fue because iam young (but they don’t do fut there)

 

[Soter]

yeah I should wait for 5 years till I'm in my mid twenties for the unlikely chance that my hair loss even on this regiment would continue to such a degree that the 7000 donor grafts that I probably have wouldn't cut it and I'd be depressed with a bald middle area. Instead of getting a thickass frontal area using at max a fourth of my grafts and ascending in my early 20s.

you literally have a feminine rounded hairline in this pic, although ik it's frauded with fibers. Upper third looks too small, looks like khabib hairline

In this pic I can see the NW1.5 but the ROI from a hair transplant in this case is so shit that it wouldn't even be worth it even if there were no risks involved. And you will always care about hair even when you are an old man, there is always a risk that you will still thin out despite the meds. Also 7000 grafts is shit, it would only cover the front third of your scalp with your current density, and your donor would get raped (if FUE) and even if the donor wouldn't become patchy, the volume in the back would be non existent.

idk I feel like theres alot to gain but so little to loose like if I lose my hair to such an insane degree even on these meds I'll be a n4 with or without a ht, whats the point of hair atp if you're just frauding combovers idk

there is a lot to lose, the donor area scars are really ugly so if you have to go bald despite the HT, you'll be mega fucked.

The surgeons aren't stupid btw, they would gladly take your money, they have nothing to gain by not operating on you, like it won't hurt their reputation in the slightest if you run out of donor 5-10 years from now. The only thing that made them reject you was ethics.


On a side note, as I've said, a better hairline won't ascend you as it's not even in your top 5 failos. Your jaw is much wider than your zygos and temples so even if you got the nw0 hairline and got a slickback hairstyle, you would look like a peanut. If I were you, I'd grow your hair much longer and have volume on the sides to hide the narrow temples (something like the jon snow haircut)

And I'd look into augmenting the zygos and maybe masseter botox. A slimmer nose would do you good too

 

[Soter]

Iam in the same situation as you, literally same age only I started fin and dut earlier .

And I got rejected by Turkish clinic, and Thai clinic said I should do fut not fue because iam young (but they don’t do fut there)

They are right, FUT is a much better move when you are young, it's safer as you can get much more grafts (which would mean better overall density) and it won't rape the density and volume of your hair at the back. 10 years ago when everyone was getting fades and long top short sides and back, the FUT was seen as a worse choice because of the scar but nowadays that's a non-issue

 

[Jgns]

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you literally have a feminine rounded hairline in this pic, although ik it's frauded with fibers. Upper third looks too small, looks like khabib hairline

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In this pic I can see the NW1.5 but the ROI from a hair transplant in this case is so shit that it wouldn't even be worth it even if there were no risks involved. And you will always care about hair even when you are an old man, there is always a risk that you will still thin out despite the meds. Also 7000 grafts is shit, it would only cover the front third of your scalp with your current density, and your donor would get raped (if FUE) and even if the donor wouldn't become patchy, the volume in the back would be non existent.


there is a lot to lose, the donor area scars are really ugly so if you have to go bald despite the HT, you'll be mega fucked.
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The surgeons aren't stupid btw, they would gladly take your money, they have nothing to gain by not operating on you, like it won't hurt their reputation in the slightest if you run out of donor 5-10 years from now. The only thing that made them reject you was ethics.


On a side note, as I've said, a better hairline won't ascend you as it's not even in your top 5 failos. Your jaw is much wider than your zygos and temples so even if you got the nw0 hairline and got a slickback hairstyle, you would look like a peanut. If I were you, I'd grow your hair much longer and have volume on the sides to hide the narrow temples (something like the jon snow haircut)
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And I'd look into augmenting the zygos and maybe masseter botox. A slimmer nose would do you good too

Appreciate the feedback. My temples are thinner than my masseters mainly because my jaw is somewhat recessed. For the past couple of years I’ve been holding my lower jaw forward when I’m out so it doesn’t look off, with gum between my teeth to hold them in place like cement, which likely caused the masseter hypertrophy over time. I’m looking into higher apex malar implants to add width to my upper face, along with a Le Fort I to correct the recessed jaw, which should also help the masseters. I’m also planning a rhinoplasty this year, with undereye and tear trough fat grafting. For hair, I’m upping dut to 2.5 mg for better suppression and recently added RU58841. My dad is NW3 at 65 with similar temple thinning, so genetics aren’t too bad. I’ve got family who are surgeons in Turkey and Iran, so I’m aiming to get most of this done within the next year or two. in turkey and iran so I'm hoping I can get everything done this year or 2 hopefully, I got the time and everything. U think doing all this would ascend me, and my hairline now is the exact size of my other thirds without the fruading. And maybe I'll look into fut since u said its better for this age idk

 

[Soter]

Appreciate the feedback. My temples are thinner than my masseters mainly because my jaw is somewhat recessed. For the past couple of years I’ve been holding my lower jaw forward when I’m out so it doesn’t look off, with gum between my teeth to hold them in place like cement, which likely caused the masseter hypertrophy over time. I’m looking into higher apex malar implants to add width to my upper face, along with a Le Fort I to correct the recessed jaw, which should also help the masseters. I’m also planning a rhinoplasty this year, with undereye and tear trough fat grafting. For hair, I’m upping dut to 2.5 mg for better suppression and recently added RU58841. My dad is NW3 at 65 with similar temple thinning, so genetics aren’t too bad. I’ve got family who are surgeons in Turkey and Iran, so I’m aiming to get most of this done within the next year or two. in turkey and iran so I'm hoping I can get everything done this year or 2 hopefully, I got the time and everything. U think doing all this would ascend me, and my hairline now is the exact size of my other thirds without the fruading. And maybe I'll look into fut since u said its better for this age idk

yeah the lefort and malar implants will ascend you, rhino as well but to a lesser extent.
You will most likely need 2+ years to get everything done, you have to get jaw surgery before rhino, and you can't get rhino and undereye fat grafting in the same surgery. Imo the best scenario is 1st round - le fort and malar implants, wait until it heals, then 2nd round - rhino and 6 months later fat grafting to the undereyes.

Lower set eyebrows (look into botox for brow lowering) would ascend you as well.

For hair, RU is overkill unless you're a roider, also it goes systemic and can mess with your heart. Regarding genetics, it's more often the mother's genes that influence balding, look at your maternal grandfather, uncles, etc.

 

[Jgns]

yeah the lefort and malar implants will ascend you, rhino as well but to a lesser extent.
You will most likely need 2+ years to get everything done, you have to get jaw surgery before rhino, and you can't get rhino and undereye fat grafting in the same surgery. Imo the best scenario is 1st round - le fort and malar implants, wait until it heals, then 2nd round - rhino and 6 months later fat grafting to the undereyes.

Lower set eyebrows (look into botox for brow lowering) would ascend you as well.

For hair, RU is overkill unless you're a roider, also it goes systemic and can mess with your heart. Regarding genetics, it's more often the mother's genes that influence balding, look at your maternal grandfather, uncles, etc.

Ok sounds good I'll do the lefort 1 and malar implants first then. The brow lowering sounds interesting I'll look into that. The funny thing is my maternal grandfather had better had at 40 than I do now, and my uncles aswell. I'm tryna hopefully get to htn by the end of everything lol. Appreciate it bro

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

They are right, FUT is a much better move when you are young, it's safer as you can get much more grafts (which would mean better overall density) and it won't rape the density and volume of your hair at the back. 10 years ago when everyone was getting fades and long top short sides and back, the FUT was seen as a worse choice because of the scar but nowadays that's a non-issue

Yes that’s what I understand, and fut would be better. An I rock longer hair too.
Problem is fut isn’t as mainstream, more complicated and expensive I believe.

And yes iam also too young for a lot of these clinics, tho I only tried with 2

 

[Jgns]

Yes that’s what I understand, and fut would be better. An I rock longer hair too.
Problem is fut isn’t as mainstream, more complicated and expensive I believe.

And yes iam also too young for a lot of these clinics, tho I only tried with 2

yeah ik its annoying asf cause hair is a youth indicator, hopefully i can find a good clinic that does fut in turkey

 

[Soter]

Yes that’s what I understand, and fut would be better. An I rock longer hair too.
Problem is fut isn’t as mainstream, more complicated and expensive I believe.

And yes iam also too young for a lot of these clinics, tho I only tried with 2

The recovery is also more painful and if I remember right it requires general anaesthesia. FUE is just much more marketable and a lot of surgeons stopped performing FUT, you'd have to find a surgeon who still does it regularly. I don't think it's more expensive though, should be cheaper actually.

Btw with FUT there is much less transection (basically when they do FUE and extract the grafts, they sometimes cut through the adjacent hair follicle, and that follicle is lost (destroyed)).

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

The recovery is also more painful and if I remember right it requires general anaesthesia. FUE is just much more marketable and a lot of surgeons stopped performing FUT, you'd have to find a surgeon who still does it regularly. I don't think it's more expensive though, should be cheaper actually.

Btw with FUT there is much less transection (basically when they do FUE and extract the grafts, they sometimes cut through the adjacent hair follicle, and that follicle is lost (destroyed)).

Yes FUT is goated when you know you’ll need more than 1 ht in a lifetime

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

yeah ik its annoying asf cause hair is a youth indicator, hopefully i can find a good clinic that does fut in turkey

If you do lmk broski

 

[vermicel]

The recovery is also more painful and if I remember right it requires general anaesthesia.

No, it doesn't. Same anaesthetic process as with FUE (local anaesthesia with lidocaine).

Problem is fut isn’t as mainstream, more complicated and expensive I believe.

FUT used to be the most mainstream technique until the early/mid 2010s. FUE took the spot thanks to clever and mildly deceiving marketing.
FUT was significantly cheaper than FUE. Approx half the price ; for example, many western surgeons would then charge 2-2,50€/graft with FUT, and 4-5€/follicular unit with FUE.
The only surgical aspect that is more complicated with FUT is the strip harvesting and the suture afterward. Other than that, every other step is identical to FUE, or even easier (strip dissection under binocular microscopes allows more accuracy than blind extraction with a punch & forceps).
The other downside of FUT is that it requires a larger surgical team ( = more "technicians") to take care of the dissection, and therefore your grafts are handled by more people, whose skill levels can vary drastically — a good clinic will make sure to teach, to monitor, and to hold on to their technicians in order to deliver steady results.

I would be very surprised if you managed to find a Turkish doc currently proficient in FUT. Turkey played a big part in the aforementioned marketing campaign that led to FUE supremacy. As far as I remember, no reknown Turkish doctor would offer FUT even 10 years ago.

If any of you guys go ahead with a FUT, make sure to regularly exercise your scalp laxity in the occipital & parietal regions, starting approx 2 months prior to the procedure. Especially if you're batting for high numbers and/or have a rather tight scalp.

Finally, a bit of a controversial take : regardless of the technique, I would generally advise against a hair transplant before the age of 30-35 yo. And being on meds (fin, dut, min) at least 3-5 years before surgery should be mandatory ; sticking to the treatments after surgery should be mandatory too.
By the way : in the next 10-20 years, I predict that MANY people will regret falling for the "just go to Turkey" meme, letting random "technicians" deplete their donor area and transplant their scalp with zero strategic foresight.

 

[Jgns]

No, it doesn't. Same anaesthetic process as with FUE (local anaesthesia with lidocaine).


FUT used to be the most mainstream technique until the early/mid 2010s. FUE took the spot thanks to clever and mildly deceiving marketing.
FUT was significantly cheaper than FUE. Approx half the price ; for example, many western surgeons would then charge 2,50€/follicular unit with FUT, and 5€/FU with FUE.
The only surgical aspect that is more complicated with FUT is the strip harvesting and the suture afterward. Other than that, every other step is identical to FUE, or even easier (strip dissection under binocular microscopes allows more accuracy than blind extraction with a punch & forceps).
The other downside of FUT is that it requires a larger surgical team ( = more "technicians") to take care of the dissection, and therefore your grafts are handled by more people, whose skill levels can vary drastically — a good clinic will make sure to teach and to hold on to their technicians in order to deliver steady results.

I would be very surprised if you managed to find a Turkish doc currently proficient in FUT. Turkey played a big part in the aforementioned marketing campaign that led to FUE supremacy. As far as I remember, no reknown Turkish doctor would offer FUT 10 years ago.

If any of you guys go ahead with a FUT, make sure to regularly exercise your scalp laxity (in the occipital & parietal regions), starting approx 2 months prior to the procedure. Especially if you're batting for high numbers and/or have a rather tight scalp.

Finally, a bit of a controversial take : regardless of the technique, I would generally advise against a hair transplant before the age of 30-35 yo. And being on meds (fin, dut, min) at least 3-5 years before the surgery should be mandatory ; sticking to the treatments after surgery should be mandatory too.

alright thanks for the info bro, as for the age yeah Ik im still pretty young for a hair transplant but its killing me not having the hair density in my lower norwood regions for styling is killing me since yk your yougner years really matter its depressing. im also never hopping off meds

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

No, it doesn't. Same anaesthetic process as with FUE (local anaesthesia with lidocaine).


FUT used to be the most mainstream technique until the early/mid 2010s. FUE took the spot thanks to clever and mildly deceiving marketing.
FUT was significantly cheaper than FUE. Approx half the price ; for example, many western surgeons would then charge 2-2,50€/graft with FUT, and 4-5€/follicular unit with FUE.
The only surgical aspect that is more complicated with FUT is the strip harvesting and the suture afterward. Other than that, every other step is identical to FUE, or even easier (strip dissection under binocular microscopes allows more accuracy than blind extraction with a punch & forceps).
The other downside of FUT is that it requires a larger surgical team ( = more "technicians") to take care of the dissection, and therefore your grafts are handled by more people, whose skill levels can vary drastically — a good clinic will make sure to teach, to monitor, and to hold on to their technicians in order to deliver steady results.

I would be very surprised if you managed to find a Turkish doc currently proficient in FUT. Turkey played a big part in the aforementioned marketing campaign that led to FUE supremacy. As far as I remember, no reknown Turkish doctor would offer FUT even 10 years ago.

If any of you guys go ahead with a FUT, make sure to regularly exercise your scalp laxity in the occipital & parietal regions, starting approx 2 months prior to the procedure. Especially if you're batting for high numbers and/or have a rather tight scalp.

Finally, a bit of a controversial take : regardless of the technique, I would generally advise against a hair transplant before the age of 30-35 yo. And being on meds (fin, dut, min) at least 3-5 years before surgery should be mandatory ; sticking to the treatments after surgery should be mandatory too.
By the way : in the next 10-20 years, I predict that MANY people will regret falling for the "just go to Turkey" meme, letting random "technicians" deplete their donor area and transplant their scalp with zero strategic foresight.

Do you think FUT shouldn’t be done in turkey then? Cuz I know in Paris it will be fckn 8k€ for 2k graft jfl