Has anyone done test without hcg and pct'd?

[copeuntilumakeit]

how was your pct?

 

[Niebvll]

I hope not

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

I hope not

so without hcg it's way harder?

 

[AtrophicPyra]

how was your pct

just get a vial of hcg and use it at the end of the cycle and a 2 month supply of pct

 

[Niebvll]

so without hcg it's way harder?

You lose your fertility without pct nigga

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

You lose your fertility without pct nigga

i meant without hcg not without pct

 

[Niebvll]

i meant without hcg not without pct

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

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and pct'd as in have done pct succesfully sorry my england bad

 

[Dizzle]

You lose your fertility without pct nigga

fear mongering retard lmfao 99% recover even without pct however pct is optimal and should be used

 

[copeuntilumakeit]

fear mongering retard lmfao 99% recover even without pct however pct is optimal and should be used

can i pin without taking hcg and than pct on clomid and tamox?

 

[Niebvll]

fear mongering retard lmfao 99% recover even without pct however pct is optimal and should be used

No they dont lol not even half do

Factors predicting normalization of reproductive hormones after cessation of anabolic-androgenic steroids in men: a single center retrospective study - PubMed

Without evidence-based withdrawal protocols, men commonly try avoiding post-AAS hypogonadism with PCT, which is illicit, ill-defined, and not recommended. Only half of men had complete biochemical testicular recovery after stopping AAS. The surprising association of self-reported PCT use with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Dizzle]

No they dont lol not even half do

Factors predicting normalization of reproductive hormones after cessation of anabolic-androgenic steroids in men: a single center retrospective study - PubMed

Without evidence-based withdrawal protocols, men commonly try avoiding post-AAS hypogonadism with PCT, which is illicit, ill-defined, and not recommended. Only half of men had complete biochemical testicular recovery after stopping AAS. The surprising association of self-reported PCT use with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study literally proves what i said whilst having nothing to do with what you said
no mention of fertility whatsoever. it does, however, say that pct mostly accelerates recovery rather than greatly improving the extent to which hormones recovers. The increase of normalisation from 42% to 50% on pct was deemed not statistically significant.

 

[Dizzle]

No they dont lol not even half do

Factors predicting normalization of reproductive hormones after cessation of anabolic-androgenic steroids in men: a single center retrospective study - PubMed

Without evidence-based withdrawal protocols, men commonly try avoiding post-AAS hypogonadism with PCT, which is illicit, ill-defined, and not recommended. Only half of men had complete biochemical testicular recovery after stopping AAS. The surprising association of self-reported PCT use with...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

have you even read it yourself? ''not even half'' is literally also referring to those who did pct

 

[Niebvll]

This study literally proves what i said whilst having nothing to do with what you said
no mention of fertility whatsoever. it does, however, say that pct mostly accelerates recovery rather than greatly improving the extent to which hormones recovers. The increase of normalisation from 42% to 50% on pct was deemed not statistically significant.

What you said could be true since I kinda dnr'd the study but you could also be gambling on me not having read it

Also test recovery is necessary for fertility

It does say recovery was more likely with pct dont see where it says not significant

But sure wait 3 years to be able to have children and still having like a 30% chance to be infertile

 

[Niebvll]

have you even read it yourself? ''not even half'' is literally also referring to those who did pct

No I didnt

 

[Dizzle]

What you said could be true since I kinda dnr'd the study but you could also be gambling on me not having read it

How incompetent are you to not read a study you use as evidence when its literally not even 260 words long and takes at most 2 minutes to read.

It does say recovery was more likely with pct dont see where it says not significant

the difference was 8 pp which means that p = 0.08 and if p > 0.05 it means that the difference isnt statistically significant

But sure wait 3 years to be able to have children and still having like a 30% chance to be infertile

Good thing that you can use something called hcg to restore fertility. My whole point was that using pct is good but not strictly needed.

 

[Niebvll]

How incompetent are you to not read a study you use as evidence when its literally not even 260 words long and takes at most 2 minutes to read.

the difference was 8 pp which means that p = 0.08 and if p > 0.05 it means that the difference isnt statistically significant


Good thing that you can use something called hcg to restore fertility. My whole point was that using pct is good but not strictly needed.

Dnr

 

[Niebvll]

How incompetent are you to not read a study you use as evidence when its literally not even 260 words long and takes at most 2 minutes to read.

the difference was 8 pp which means that p = 0.08 and if p > 0.05 it means that the difference isnt statistically significant


Good thing that you can use something called hcg to restore fertility. My whole point was that using pct is good but not strictly needed.

Bro fell for everything jfl get that fell for it award

 

[Dizzle]

Bro fell for everything jfl get that fell for it award

You might have to be one of the most retarded users on this forum you are embarassing yourself lmfao ''get that fell for it award''

 

[Niebvll]

You might have to be one of the most retarded users on this forum you are embarassing yourself lmfao ''get that fell for it award''

Sure
I fucking got you with that dnr lmao just give that to me

Us btw atp