Has anyone here SUCCESSFULLY self-installed MSE?

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Ik a couple of people have done it, but any updates on the success? I heard @retard fucked it.

I'm thinking about self installing it next year at the front of my palate so I can facepull for CCW rotation.

But I don't wanna fuck it up
 
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I tried doing it but my mouth blew up. I expanded 25mm in 2 months so it was too much. Zygos barely changed but here's my gap
 

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I tried doing it but my mouth blew up. I expanded 25mm in 2 months so it was too much. Zygos barely changed but here's my gap
NO WAY BRO! SICK!!
 
I tried doing it but my mouth blew up. I expanded 25mm in 2 months so it was too much. Zygos barely changed but here's my gap
don't larp please
 
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Imagine someone actually gets it done cuz of that post. Rofl
you never know there was this low iq dude who injected fillers in his eyelid and needed to go to hospital
 
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what was he even hoping to achieve?
 
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don't fall for the CCW meme pls
 
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what was he even hoping to achieve?
getting rid of UEE, while even surgeons usually refuse to do fillers in that area.
 
It makes sense until you realize fully adult bones are too strong for that to work.
But face mask works for a couple of mm in adults. Therefore u can get a couple of mm ccw too, or more if u keep the suture open longer
 
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But face mask works for a couple of mm in adults. Therefore u can get a couple of mm ccw too, or more if u keep the suture open longer
How can you get mms of rotation?
 
how old is adult

19ish. I still stand by you can probably get decent gains (rotation and forward growth wise) with MSE in the 16-19 range but beyond that, it's only good for palate expansion and making cheekbones a bit wider.
 
19ish. I still stand by you can probably get decent gains (rotation and forward growth wise) with MSE in the 16-19 range but beyond that, it's only good for palate expansion and making cheekbones a bit wider.
I'm 17 atm and will be 18 if and when I self install
 
I'm 17 atm and will be 18 if and when I self install

Don't self-install. At that age you still have some potential for gains. Get an actual registered ortho to do so.
 
Forward and upward. like 3mm diagonally
That’s not how it works, the maxilla grows downwards since birth, you can only get ccw not upswing/‘upwards growth’
 
Don't self-install. At that age you still have some potential for gains. Get an actual registered ortho to do so.
Yeah but I want it at front of palate, and also theres no one good in UK and I cant afford it. I might get it done properly after uni for cheekbones
 
That’s not how it works, the maxilla grows downwards since birth, you can only get ccw not upswing/‘upwards growth’
That's what I mean. The position of the maxilla will change. CCW = upswing
 
Well not entirely seeing as the maxilla didnt come up, just forward. An an upswing is a counter clockwise rotation ffs
No jfl compare the nasal base that’s ccw rotation of the occlusal plane
upswing is not the same as ccw otherwise you could get that from bimax
upswing implies ccw but not the other way around
 
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No jfl compare the nasal base that’s ccw rotation of the occlusal plane
upswing is not the same as ccw otherwise you could get that from bimax
upswing implies ccw but not the other way around
The bit that determines ur nose height didnt beckme higher. And look at the teeth. They became lower lol. Obvs it's a simulation tho
 
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Yeah but I want it at front of palate, and also theres no one good in UK and I cant afford it. I might get it done properly after uni for cheekbones

u cant install at the front of the palate lol, the appliance needs to place stress on many diff maxillary sutures so its optimal location is wrt to ur own jaw structures.

rotation occurs by stimulating growth of the posterior maxilla downwards (and forwards ig), not by an upward pointing spring
 
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And look at the teeth. They became lower lol. Obvs it's a simulation tho
Yeah the maxilla comes downwards a bit with mse I said this before
that’s the direction that the maxilla grows in always, downwards and forwards

The bit that determines ur nose height didnt beckme higher.
Yeah this is what I mean. This doesn’t happen with mse and fm. Upswing like you seem to expect does not occur.

u cant install at the front of the palate lol, the appliance needs to place stress on many diff maxillary sutures so its optimal location is wrt to ur own jaw structures.

rotation occurs by stimulating growth of the posterior maxilla downwards (and forwards ig), not by an upward pointing spring
thankyou, they pull downwards still because that’s how the maxilla grows, rotation is determined by other factors
 
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u cant install at the front of the palate lol, the appliance needs to place stress on many diff maxillary sutures so its optimal location is wrt to ur own jaw structures.

rotation occurs by stimulating growth of the posterior maxilla downwards (and forwards ig), not by an upward pointing spring
Bruh bringing the posterior part downwards would not shorten the midface. The front would stay the same and the back would be brought down, making ur occlusal plane more horizontal but the whole maxilla is low now.
 
Bruh bringing the posterior part downwards would not shorten the midface. The front would stay the same and the back would be brought down, making ur occlusal plane more horizontal but the whole maxilla is low now.

you are right

soooo whats the logical conclusion to get from that?
 
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Yeah this is what I mean. This doesn’t happen with mse and fm. Upswing like you seem to expect does not occur.
That's cos in this simulation, the device wasnt at the front and they weren't pulling upwards. Although I cba to check which one it was. Simulation F is the idea I'm talking about
 
you are right

soooo whats the logical conclusion to get from that?
Get mse at the back and at the front at the same time, and pull from the front one in an upwards direction. Although u might choke
 
That's cos in this simulation, the device wasnt at the front and they weren't pulling upwards. Although I cba to check which one it was. Simulation F is the idea I'm talking about
Im telling you that pulling upwards with mse is a meme, it doesn’t make sense for any sutural growth which you can only experience downwards and forwards.

I suggest you talk to a real practitioner or one of the maxofacs on here about what you’re saying, the amount of mse misinfo on here is ridiculous.
 
Im telling you that pulling upwards with mse is a meme, it doesn’t make sense for any sutural growth which you can only experience downwards and forwards.

I suggest you talk to a real practitioner or one of the maxofacs on here about what you’re saying, the amount of mse misinfo on here is ridiculous.
Nanda, 1978 monkey study. Kambara, 1977
 
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