Has it ever been more over?

[zemult]

yea cuz ur so cultured n its so deep right few days of lurking n u got it if u arent a total retard n also if u go look at my first comment i asked if he was fishing cuz he looks good n then i help him w his braces shi cuz hes 15 n doesnt know better holy shit u think ur special cuz u ldar n skim thru diff threads all day ur no more distinct or different in any way than any1 else on here w ur slightly below average iq and retarded comments I never glazed him further than my first point i came here strictly to gain surgery knowledge for my upcoming consult and thats it after i get my surgery then ill leave and never return as this website can offer nothing more than that besides a place where retarded losers like urslef can kindle a superiority complex by gatekeeping some kind of arbitrary idea of significance that doesnt truly mean anything im 18 and im gettin surgery and thats more than u can say u havent even scheduled a consult yet n ur account is a year and a half old while u have 10k+ posts u ever gonna start doin the maximizing ur looks part n acc get surgery or jus post abt it
ur nothing more than a bad faith actor and a fraud ur absolutley nothing that u claim to be

A failed attempt to insult my intelligence, followed by an incomprehensible attempt at an essay that nobody will read.

All of this anger because you want to white-knight some random 15 year old on the Internet. Become self aware boyo.

 

[Animepilled]

You know its over when white chadlites are on org saying its over

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

I would hop on all appropiate growth enhancing drugs possible if i were you.

For what? Height growth?

 

[lurking truecel]

Looks good man

 

[lurking truecel]

For what? Height growth?

There is none, the nest he will do is prematuraly age himself like clav

 

[Leonardo1312]

Isn't actually that bad, try thumb pulling everyday for 5-10mins

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

There is none, the nest he will do is prematuraly age himself like clav

Yes im trying to find out why he said "growth enhancing drugs"

 

[lurking truecel]

Yes im trying to find out why he said "growth enhancing drugs"

People really believe in the tiktok maxxers that says peptiedes and roids when they all do fillers lol

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

People really believe in the tiktok maxxers that says peptiedes and roids when they all do fillers lol

Yeah i also think that supraphysological craniofacial growth isnt possible

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah i also think that supraphysological craniofacial growth isnt possible

No drugs will change genetics when it comes to bones. It would be extremly famous it was. Esp in some conteolled and good way

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

No drugs will change genetics when it comes to bones. It would be extremly famous it was. Esp in some conteolled and good way

Yes I agree. The only thing I could argue is that HGH helps exceed genetical final height if done correctly

 

[lurking truecel]

Yes I agree. The only thing I could argue is that HGH helps exceed genetical final height if done correctly

Hmm and rhe payback is unknown

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Hmm and rhe payback is unknown

True but the only way is to find out.
But look at testosterone it makes that you can exceed your genetical maximal muscle volume so there might be a chance that hgh will give you extra height instead of reaching your genetical potential

 

[justjutting]

Nigga u are 15 and a very dumb 15 at that. U have no skills of reason or logic, u are just mindlessly parroting social media dross without any serious comprehension of the material, just so u could get in a with a crowd of losers and weirdos. Turn off ur phone and go outside.

 

[lurking truecel]

True but the only way is to find out.
But look at testosterone it makes that you can exceed your genetical maximal muscle volume so there might be a chance that hgh will give you extra height instead of reaching your genetical potential

Yea and die early and become bald

 

[ltbSlayer124]

One of the best potential of ever Seen he complaining about Ltn hell

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Yea and die early

I want that

 

[vermicel]

I’m 15. I have from what I can tell, a recessed maxilla. Get made fun of at school, horrible acne, in turn from the recessed maxilla, horrible orbitals and eyebags. Supra orbitals are mid aswell. Any tips? Was thinking of a lefort 1 or DJS, have minimal breathing issues but I currently have braces to correct my overbite. Please someone help me, I would do anything to get out of this sub-Ltn hell.

The main flaw I can pick up from your front profile picture is the general asymmetry. While everyone's face has a dominant side, yours (the right side) appears significantly better developed and better formed than the weaker side (the left side). In the future, once you're done growing and maturing, you could take measures to surgically attenuate this asymmetry.

Other than the general asymmetry, your flaws are :
- infraorbital hollowness / pronounced tear through
- lack of upper lip height
- lack of chin height

Morph showing restored symmetry and addressing the aforementioned flaws (+ cleared skin as a bonus) :

Suggested surgeries :
> rhinoplasty to restore symmetry (reshaping the left nostril, thinning the columella, fixing the bridge, etc.)
> lip lift, lip flip, lip filler ... one of these or a combination to augment the upper lip
> lateral commissuroplasty to expand the left corner of the mouth
> genioplasty for moderate vertical augmentation and restoring symmetry
> some type of lower jaw surgery to restore symmetry ; could be an implant to add volume to the left jaw angle
> fat grafting and/or infraorbital implant (the exact cause & extent of the hollowness will determine the appropriate treatment)

Some of these procedures may not be reasonable or necessary, so don't get too hung up about the list. It's just food for thought, and some leads if you want to do your own research.

Then again, you're only 15yo, and your face is gonna keep evolving and maturing, probably until your early 20s. Your mind will mature as well, and, a few years from now, you could feel more comfortable with yourself to the point of not needing any surgery — especially if you're in a long term relationship and everything goes rather well in your life. So reassess the situation in due time and don't rush any procedure until then.

 

[compost_]

A failed attempt to insult my intelligence, followed by an incomprehensible attempt at an essay that nobody will read.

All of this anger because you want to white-knight some random 15 year old on the Internet. Become self aware boyo.

year and a half old account w 10k+ posts n still not a single surgery undergone glad u have fun on the site tho

 

[zemult]

year and a half old account w 10k+ posts n still not a single surgery undergone glad u have fun on the site tho

In a year’s time you’d forget about all of this once the TikTok trend fades

 

[compost_]

In a year’s time you’d forget about all of this once the TikTok trend fades

you'll*

I admire ur steadfast ignorance i bet that lifes quite enjoyable when u can be oblivious to reality at will

funny that some 'tt normie' will go under the knife b4 a real og looksmaxer who joined in "2024" tho right jfl

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

more optimal in the sense it wont ruin or worsen ur aesthetics

my friend had an overbite n he got pistons cuz he didnt wear his rubber bands so either u can ask for pistonsings/springs

or u could jus stop wearing ur rubber bands n force them to install one that way if they wont from jus ur request

So an update: i went to the orthodontist today, my mom, for some reason, came in the room with me today. she never does this btw.. and i start to explain to the orthodontist how I kind of having breathing issues, sort of pushing for a lesser band strength, i voiced my concerns, though not all of them because my mom was in the room and i didnt want her to think i was like insane or something. Ortho pretty much blew me off on my airways and just said keep working on rubber bands so we can straighten your teeth, FYI i have a deep overbite. Next appointment is in like 8 weeks, so im like wtf do i do. Dont know if i should still go to the premaxillofacial surgeon to get a consultation.

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

You're a spitting image of the greycels that OP wants validation from

And like a good little bitch you're going to give it to him

Gotta admit you're funny though. Pulled that straight out of your ass for a normie's defense

I'm not looking for validation, im looking for help

 

[9exum]

View attachment 4781599View attachment 4781600View attachment 4781601I’m 15. I have from what I can tell, a recessed maxilla. Get made fun of at school, horrible acne, in turn from the recessed maxilla, horrible orbitals and eyebags. Supra orbitals are mid aswell. Any tips? Was thinking of a lefort 1 or DJS, have minimal breathing issues but I currently have braces to correct my overbite. Please someone help me, I would do anything to get out of this sub-Ltn hell.

jfl at those brows

 

[shedontluv-U]

View attachment 4781599View attachment 4781600View attachment 4781601I’m 15. I have from what I can tell, a recessed maxilla. Get made fun of at school, horrible acne, in turn from the recessed maxilla, horrible orbitals and eyebags. Supra orbitals are mid aswell. Any tips? Was thinking of a lefort 1 or DJS, have minimal breathing issues but I currently have braces to correct my overbite. Please someone help me, I would do anything to get out of this sub-Ltn hell.

Add recessed infra to the list too

But it often caused from recessed maxilla

And a lot of people have it too

I don't know why I write ts then I low-key just want to bump your treads

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Add recessed infra to the list too

But it often caused from recessed maxilla

And a lot of people have it too

I don't know why I write ts then I low-key just want to bump your treads

yeah, unfortunately. Only way to fix is surgery, you know if fat grafting can mask the issue well or shall I just get like implants?

 

[shedontluv-U]

yeah, unfortunately. Only way to fix is surgery, you know if fat grafting can mask the issue well or shall I just get like implants?

Fat grafting is for hollowness and some time sclera show an some others shit

And implant is if the issue is really linked to the bone you can see if it the case if the orbital rim is far behind the lower eyelid

 

[shedontluv-U]

Fat grafting is for hollowness and some time sclera show an some others shit

And implant is if the issue is really linked to the bone you can see if it the case if the orbital rim is far behind the lower eyelid

Ngl now I re-look your picture again is really not that bad why you use is under eyes support nigga

You have the type of recession rime everyone have

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

The main flaw I can pick up from your front profile picture is the general asymmetry. While everyone's face has a dominant side, yours (the right side) appears significantly better developed and better formed than the weaker side (the left side). In the future, once you're done growing and maturing, you could take measures to surgically attenuate this asymmetry.

Other than the general asymmetry, your flaws are :
- infraorbital hollowness / pronounced tear through
- lack of upper lip height
- lack of chin height

Morph showing restored symmetry and addressing the aforementioned flaws (+ cleared skin as a bonus) :

View attachment 4784825
View attachment 4784871

Suggested surgeries :
> rhinoplasty to restore symmetry (reshaping the left nostril, thinning the columella, fixing the bridge, etc.)
> lip lift, lip flip, lip filler ... one of these or a combination to augment the upper lip
> lateral commissuroplasty to expand the left corner of the mouth
> genioplasty for moderate vertical augmentation and restoring symmetry
> some type of lower jaw surgery to restore symmetry ; could be an implant to add volume to the left jaw angle
> fat grafting and/or infraorbital implant (the exact cause & extent of the hollowness will determine the appropriate treatment)

Some of these procedures may not be reasonable or necessary, so don't get too hung up about the list. It's just food for thought, and some leads if you want to do your own research.

Then again, you're only 15yo, and your face is gonna keep evolving and maturing, probably until your early 20s. Your mind will mature as well, and, a few years from now, you could feel more comfortable with yourself to the point of not needing any surgery — especially if you're in a long term relationship and everything goes rather well in your life. So reassess the situation in due time and don't rush any procedure until then.

I really appreciate the in-depth response, I didn't even really notice the left side of my jaw was lacking in any sort of way, what would you say I need the most? I also have bite bumps right now, I dont know if that could potentially influence how that side of my jaw looks, I do infact have a crossbite aswell. you think an implant to both sides would also be beneficial? this is definitely all after im 18 though.

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Ngl now I re-look your picture again is really not that bad why you use is under eyes support nigga

You have the type of recession rime everyone have

I couldn't really think of a better one at that time, and due to my maxilla and my infras I thought that was my worst feature (probably is)

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Fat grafting is for hollowness and some time sclera show an some others shit

And implant is if the issue is really linked to the bone you can see if it the case if the orbital rim is far behind the lower eyelid

,

Definitely its a bone issue, My undereyes are like case A. Turns out Case A not only has shallow orbits but a retrusive anterior maxilla, i assume which is similar to mine.

 

[zemult]

I'm not looking for validation, im looking for help

Yeah you need so much help jfl

 

[zemult]

you'll*

I admire ur steadfast ignorance i bet that lifes quite enjoyable when u can be oblivious to reality at will

funny that some 'tt normie' will go under the knife b4 a real og looksmaxer who joined in "2024" tho right jfl

You know you’ve lost the argument when you resort to poor grammar policing, as if you even spoke proper English from the beginning

I'll come back to this post in a year, I can guarantee you that you'll either be inactive or have deleted your account

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Yeah you need so much help jfl

Yeah… that’s why I asked for advice, things I can actually improve. You got any or just noise?

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

jfl at those brows

are they really that bad bro

 

[shedontluv-U]

, View attachment 4785871 Definitely its a bone issue, My undereyes are like case A. Turns out Case A not only has shallow orbits but a retrusive anterior maxilla, i assume which is similar to mine.

Don't forget to fucking rep me NGL why grey can't rep ???

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Don't forget to fucking rep me NGL why grey can't rep ???

Haha, yes my fault bro. Also, you undergo any orthodontic treatment?

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

No drugs will change genetics when it comes to bones. It would be extremly famous it was. Esp in some conteolled and good way

Yeah, I agree with you on that I don't really think it has an effect on your facial bones, but some argue that it somehow makes you grow taller which directly contradicts that it cannot affect your bones...

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

You know its over when white chadlites are on org saying its over

I wish, bro.

 

[shedontluv-U]

, View attachment 4785871 Definitely its a bone issue, My undereyes are like case A. Turns out Case A not only has shallow orbits but a retrusive anterior maxilla, i assume which is similar to mine.

I have recessed infra but extreme case is not really you have it or you don't have it I would say is like a spectrum a guy who have perfect infra is like him

And me is like

Look over you and you will see if you have it
But it don't really matter because you can have pretty eyes with it is not that ugly my case is just ugly but I can even have decent eyes with it

 

[mr123456]

the wealthy only want more wealth

 

[compost_]

You know you’ve lost the argument when you resort to poor grammar policing, as if you even spoke proper English from the beginning

I'll come back to this post in a year, I can guarantee you that you'll either be inactive or have deleted your account

oh fs fs

see u in a year then

 

[compost_]

I really appreciate the in-depth response, I didn't even really notice the left side of my jaw was lacking in any sort of way, what would you say I need the most? I also have bite bumps right now, I dont know if that could potentially influence how that side of my jaw looks, I do infact have a crossbite aswell. you think an implant to both sides would also be beneficial? this is definitely all after im 18 though.

yea bro sounds to me that u need an ortho that isnt retarded

if i were u i would talk to ur parents n let them know ur issues w ur bite face airway etc and how they arent being addressed or fixed to the fullest extent n also made worse outright

u need someone who is acc trying to fix ur problems and not jus treating u like another case in their portfolio

 

[vermicel]

I didn't even really notice the left side of my jaw was lacking in any sort of way, what would you say I need the most? I also have bite bumps right now, I dont know if that could potentially influence how that side of my jaw looks, I do infact have a crossbite aswell. you think an implant to both sides would also be beneficial? this is definitely all after im 18 though.

I don't know what may have caused such a pronounced asymmetry (chewing habit ? impaired breathing ? sleeping position ? a mix of all these + other factors ?). It's probably been there for a while. Study pics of your younger self and you'll probably find out the asymmetry's onset appeared at an early age. That seems the most likely scenario for it to have affected the development of your bone structure, and of your nose & mouth shape. Fortunately, this picture indicates that your left eye and cheekbone have both been spared ; the deep asymmetry has been restricted to the left lower half of your face.

Obviously, my comment relies only on this one picture. Other pictures could mitigate it or even make it entirely irrelevant (that would be a bit odd, but why not).

As your orthodontist doesn't seem open to dialogue, your best alternative for a proper medical diagnosis would be maxillofacial surgeons. Get a CBCT scan and do a round of consultations.

As for what you "need the most", based on this front profile picture, I would say that rhino + genio could generate the highest ROI. Fixing the upper lip would be esthetically impactful too. I would rank the jaw angle last, as it would be a negligible issue if everything else (nose, chin, upper lip) was on point ; the fact that you hadn't noticed it until now tends to prove it. Dermal fillers might even do the trick for this part of your face.

 

[gnwitch]

your jaw is underdeveloped, bimax and ull be fine

 

[gnwitch]

h

I don't know what may have caused such a pronounced asymmetry (chewing habit ? impaired breathing ? sleeping position ? a mix of all these + other factors ?). It's probably been there for a while. Study pics of your younger self and you'll probably find out the asymmetry's onset appeared at an early age. That seems the most likely scenario for it to have affected the development of your bone structure, and of your nose & mouth shape. Fortunately, this picture indicates that your left eye and cheekbone have both been spared ; the deep asymmetry has been restricted to the left lower half of your face.

View attachment 4790366
View attachment 4790393

Obviously, my comment relies only on this one picture. Other pictures could mitigate it or even make it entirely irrelevant (that would be a bit odd, but why not).

As your orthodontist doesn't seem open to dialogue, your best alternative for a proper medical diagnosis would be maxillofacial surgeons. Get a CBCT scan and do a round of consultations.

As for what you "need the most", based on this front profile picture, I would say that rhino + genio could generate the highest ROI. Fixing the upper lip would be esthetically impactful too. I would rank the jaw angle last, as it would be a negligible issue if everything else (nose, chin, upper lip) was on point ; the fact that you hadn't noticed it until now tends to prove it. Dermal fillers might even do the trick for this part of your face.

he doesnt need rhino

 

[6footislaw]

nigga js hop on roids and beat the people who make fun of u

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

I don't know what may have caused such a pronounced asymmetry (chewing habit ? impaired breathing ? sleeping position ? a mix of all these + other factors ?). It's probably been there for a while. Study pics of your younger self and you'll probably find out the asymmetry's onset appeared at an early age. That seems the most likely scenario for it to have affected the development of your bone structure, and of your nose & mouth shape. Fortunately, this picture indicates that your left eye and cheekbone have both been spared ; the deep asymmetry has been restricted to the left lower half of your face.

View attachment 4790366
View attachment 4790393

Obviously, my comment relies only on this one picture. Other pictures could mitigate it or even make it entirely irrelevant (that would be a bit odd, but why not).

As your orthodontist doesn't seem open to dialogue, your best alternative for a proper medical diagnosis would be maxillofacial surgeons. Get a CBCT scan and do a round of consultations.

As for what you "need the most", based on this front profile picture, I would say that rhino + genio could generate the highest ROI. Fixing the upper lip would be esthetically impactful too. I would rank the jaw angle last, as it would be a negligible issue if everything else (nose, chin, upper lip) was on point ; the fact that you hadn't noticed it until now tends to prove it. Dermal fillers might even do the trick for this part of your face.

Thank you, again. Yeah, my ortho is an asshole. I’m going to see a maxillofacial surgeon soon, my father has sleep apnea and we have identical upper jaws and tongues, both set back and or recessed. Definitely gonna turn out like him if this is not fixed. Honestly kind of glad he has sleep apnea because now that puts a risk on myself.