Giving the "gift of life" that nobody asked for and nobody gets to reject and that comes with being born in this shithole world and grinding ur whole life just to one day die anyways jfl
Worst part is it can not even be your fault, I am lucky to not be born blind or death or any other horrors that can come with being very unlucky.
Its not just about whether ur life is miserable either because happiness is fleeting, but pain and trauma are guaranteed and stay for life
Well your right nobody asks for anything, life itself is a cope, we all one day come out and we are suppose to follow manmade laws and wageslave until we die. However in the grand scheme of things there isn't anything we can do about it
Word, personally I was born with some shit cards and the world is so fucked up that it can only get worse until ur born as a starving kid in a Somali refugee camp
There is one thing we can do though, is to not bring any more kids here to continue the cycle of suffering, and that is the best thing a human can do
No, it isn't common sense as most people from 1st and 2nd world countries are aware of this and make kids when their financial status is at a point of sustanability. If you're telling me you're addresing yourself to the 3rd worlders you would be talking to walls, they don't have the mental capacity of understanding this topic. In order for pleasure to exist sufferring has to exist as well, what would life be in a world where everything goes your way ?
Of course but my point is some people are born without a chance at all in life, others are given a chance and work towards it or not and some are lucky enough to have it all, looks, money and love. Happiness is fleeting but at least being able to experience it is the beauty of life. There isn't any beauty in being born just to suffer and nothing more.
Making kids when you can afford it does not take away from the million bad things that can and do happen in life, it only means they don't starve and just because suffering can give people meaning doesn't mean it has meaning by itself and that it is better for suffering to exist
True, happiness is the beauty of life. Its just hard to obtain and easy for it to go away in this shit world
I agree but you reproducing is a instinct in most sentiment creatures. It is deep within are genetic code to want to reproduce naturally. You think the way you do because of the environment you developed in and your genetics. Lets say you had better genetics you probably wouldn't be here or have this mentality. Although yes I can say reproducing is a gift but can also be a curse.
its a natural instinct in all animals yes, but humans are the only species that is high iq enough to even conceptually think about their existence, meaning humans are the only species that can potentially break the cycle, of course most won't, but some individuals can do it
True, I doubt chad thinks about antinatalism, but just cus he is born lucky doesnt mean that antinatalism is not true because usually the most privileged people are ignorant to the brutal realities of life
This can apply to well developed countries also THEROTICALLY not having kids means no suffering meaning if we as humans want to prevent suffering entirely (which obviously isn't possible when you have a child) we would need to not have kids. Sometimes people don't know what they are doing with their life and have kids as a way to cope with having no purpose, they forcefully give themselves a purpose. Yet they neglect those children and give them a life of suffering something you will see a lot in third world countries. Palestinians for example, having kids knowing VERY WELL they aren't in a good environment for it. It's instinct also something you may not feel regret doing in the moment only later on or maybe never.
Being constrained about the worst case scenario is puny way of thinking, in order for nice things to happen you have to take risks.
“as a way to cope with having no purpose”, well the biological purpose IS to reproduce.
More bad things happen in this world than good things, optimistic thinking is nonsense cope for the vast majority of people
I don’t agree, you only see this as black and white, as winner or loser, there is way more nuance.
Your not Zeke from attack on titan bro. It would never happen because although that is inherently ideal, life isn't black and white and people think differently. It's why there is so much death and violence in the world. People see someone who has a different opinion on something and because of that they think they have to hurt that person. Sort of like terrorists. Also most humans including you and I aren't that smart. Average person will cope with their life struggles and bring a child thinking it is motivation to be better and have something to wake up to.
Yes biologically it is natural, just as it is to kill, steal and destroy and conquer yet as humans develop we understand it does more harm then good to do these things as we most likely now have the highest moral capacity then we ever did. We aren't their yet but sooner or later maybe not in our lifetime humans will begin to understand it is logically immoral to reproduce. Just because something is biological doesn't mean it's right. But alas morals are also a manmade concept but that's another topic entirely
What nuance? This is real life
Life has always been like this, even before nature of humans . Of course I agree suffering is everywhere. Ultimately the decision is yours don't have children and prevent the potential of another soul living a brutal life or have children and do everything you can to prevent them from extreme suffering and teach them to not make other people suffer. At the end of the day you have free will the choice is yours. The world would be a better place if people treated others how they want to be treated and didn't decide to hurt others for their own selfish desires. It is pretty disappointing how we humans are developing at a rapid rate with technology and knowledge yet we still act barbaric just like are ancestors have. It shows human nature has always been the same and always will no matter if manmade concepts are involved or not.
