Having sex is not an achievement

[Jason Voorhees]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. Rising up and winning even when the odds are all stacked against you. That is real winning. These are real achievements worthy of bragging about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes. Real dopomaine from knowing you beat the world.

 

[wuzzdio]

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[optimisticzoomer]

Water
Lifelong semen retention is an achievement

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@imontheloose @Eskorbutin @optimisticzoomer

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@TechnoBoss @Swarthy Knight @Grievous

 

[joao23]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. These are real achievements to brag about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes.

This is water, anyone can have sex lol, but genuine sex is the rarest thing

 

[Mess]

It's really over-glamourised on this site, I don't know why.
Most of the users here only view sex as a physical matter, it's much more than that.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

It's really over-glamourised on this site, I don't know why.
Most of the users here only view sex as a physical matter, it's much more than that.

@Klasik616

 

[Mess]

@Klasik616

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@vernier

 

[MoggedSubhuman]

Having sex is a SMART goal and an achievement for incels
Specific - the act of having sex
Measurable - having sex for the first time in your life
Achievable - uhh...
Relevant - It's the cornerstone of being an incel
Time bound - Must do so before the end of your life (or you rope)

 

[TechnoBoss]

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Don't you think this is a contradiction? Many men do have to work very hard to improve themselves and create something of value (themselves) and overcome major adversity (sub5)

Sex is only overrated when you get it a lot. When you never get it, you realize that you're missing out on a major part of life. This inspires many men to improve. I don't value sex anymore, but I do understand that sex is a major part of your life. I lost my virginity at 15, even when I was ugly, so I never truly understood what it was like to go through your teenage years without sex. If you go through your teenage years without sex, it is very hard to recover in many different ways. Mentally, you are valuing sex too much, and it might lead to further issues getting sex, and if you've gone to 20+ years old with no sex, it means you probably aren't the best looking physically.

 

[Klasik616]

@Klasik616

You sex havers can't say sex is overrated to real incels like me.

 

[vernier]

Obviously a sex haver typed this

 

[Mess]

You sex havers can't say sex is overrated to real incels like me.

I am NOT a sex-haver. Yet...

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Don't you think this is a contradiction? Many men do have to work very hard to improve themselves and create something of value (themselves) and overcome major adversity (sub5)

Sex is only overrated when you get it a lot. When you never get it, you realize that you're missing out on a major part of life. This inspires many men to improve. I don't value sex anymore, but I do understand that sex is a major part of your life. I lost my virginity at 15, even when I was ugly, so I never truly understood what it was like to go through your teenage years without sex. If you go through your teenage years without sex, it is very hard to recover in many different ways. Mentally, you are valuing sex too much, and it might lead to further issues getting sex, and if you've gone to 20+ years old with no sex, it means you probably aren't the best looking physically.

No contradiction here. I already prefaced the thtead that the brutal work of overcoming sub-5 status, crushing insecurity, and turning yourself into a man women want is a real achievement worth celebrating. But that transformation is the trophy. Sex itself is just the recurring reward that comes naturally once you've leveled up it's not the achievement, it's the proof the grind paid off.

 

[Klasik616]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. Rising up and winning even when the odds are all stacked against you. That is real winning. These are real achievements worthy of bragging about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes. Real dopomaine from knowing you beat the world.

I dislike your capitalistic, money focused personality. Doing everything to get social status and respect from people you don't even care. Competition is so redpilled. You don't need any of these (it's artificial).

 

[motionmantris]

You sex havers can't say sex is overrated to real incels like me.

fakecel speech

 

[Mess]

it's not the achievement, it's the proof the grind paid off.

Is an achievement not quite literally proof that the grind paid off?

 

[Klasik616]

fakecel speech

You are ignoring content by this member.

 

[TechnoBoss]

No contradiction here. I already prefaced the thtead that the brutal work of overcoming sub-5 status, crushing insecurity, and turning yourself into a man women want is a real achievement worth celebrating. But that transformation is the trophy. Sex itself is just the recurring reward that comes naturally once you've leveled up it's not the achievement, it's the proof the grind paid off.

But the ascension itself is not enough to fix abused dog syndrome. When a lot of people ascend, they feel the need to have as much sex as they can to prove they can slay. This happened to me, and I was sleeping around. I stopped doing this in the past few years because I've gotten past my issues, but it definitely happened. You can see this with other abused dogs like androgenic too. No shame in being an abused dog, but you feel like you need the sex to make up for lost time. Ascending by itself is not enough. You need to have good social interactions, sex, and receive validation.

 

[Klasik616]

Is an achievement not quite literally proof that the grind paid off?

What grind. If you were born good looking this would not be an achievement. Being able to have sex is the ideal, but women simply ignore me. Enjoying sex is what's important, not getting surgeries or lifting metals.

 

[jaaba]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. Rising up and winning even when the odds are all stacked against you. That is real winning. These are real achievements worthy of bragging about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes. Real dopomaine from knowing you beat the world.

Not all sex is equal imo

If you fuck a HTB+ I’d count that as kind of an achievement (unless you’re Chad), anything bellow that isn’t much to brag about

Too many guys think they’re magical with women and brag when all they fuck is average or subpar women.

 

[joao23]

It's really over-glamourised on this site, I don't know why.
Most of the users here only view sex as a physical matter, it's much more than that.

Having sex is different from making love, that's what Jason meant.

 

[NoExit]

sex is a process

 

[joao23]

What grind. If you were born good looking this would not be an achievement. Being able to have sex is the ideal, but women simply ignore me.

U can pay for sex, and u can slay needy women

 

[Klasik616]

U can pay for sex, and u can slay needy women

But paying for sex doesn't change the fact I am incel.

 

[BrutalMogger]

would you consider 200,000 reps in .org a significant achievement of yours

it requires years of sustained effort and jester to make it happen

 

[Mess]

Having sex is different from making love, that's what Jason meant.

I wasn't disputing what Jason said, I just gave my own thoughts.

 

[Klasik616]

would you consider 200,000 reps in .org a significant achievement of yours

it requires years of sustained effort and jester to make it happen

 

[joao23]

But paying for sex doesn't change the fact I am incel.

Most men do this, most men can't have unconditional love from foids, unless you're a cl+ with top-tier pheno and 6'4"+ tall.

 

[TechnoBoss]

U can pay for sex, and u can slay needy women

Paying for sex doesn't fulfill that need for being wanted. Even if you pay for a girlfriend experience, you realize it's just because you're paying her. I could never do that.

And before anyone says all relationships are transactional, I don't believe so. I think it's a cope to say that "oh bro you are paying for it anyway with dates!" because a good woman will be happy with you just doing nothing (so long as you're good looking)

 

[Jason Voorhees]

But the ascension itself is not enough to fix abused dog syndrome. When a lot of people ascend, they feel the need to have as much sex as they can to prove they can slay. This happened to me, and I was sleeping around. I stopped doing this in the past few years because I've gotten past my issues, but it definitely happened. You can see this with other abused dogs like androgenic too. No shame in being an abused dog, but you feel like you need the sex to make up for lost time. Ascending by itself is not enough. You need to have good social interactions, sex, and receive validation.

I'm an abused dog myself literally went years feeling completely invisible and when I finally started getting pussy I did go through that phase of degeneracy chasing sex. I even made a post about how I almost turned into an alcoholic trying to make up for lost time. I agree ascension alone doesn't fix the syndrome, that deep scarring does change your brain chemistry. I'm still an abused dog from missing out on teen love and it does make you crave the experiences you missed and hoarding them becomes a way to heal the past pain it's a natural reaction. But the real recovery comes when you get enough of those positive interactions and support from people to finally feel real and then shift your focus to what you actually want without needing sex as constant address proof or validation support of your worth.

 

[joao23]

Paying for sex doesn't fulfill that need for being wanted. Even if you pay for a girlfriend experience, you realize it's just because you're paying her. I could never do that.

And before anyone says all relationships are transactional, I don't believe so. I think it's a cope to say that "oh bro you are paying for it anyway with dates!" because a good woman will be happy with you just doing nothing (so long as you're good looking)

Indirectly, most men are paying for relationships, "hur duh, I didn't pay to sleep with her," but in the end, you spend more than half your salary to maintain her luxurious lifestyle, and when does all this end? A good example of this is this couple here.

 

[joao23]

I'm an abused dog myself literally went years feeling completely invisible and when I finally started getting pussy I did go through that phase of degeneracy chasing sex. I even made a post about how I almost turned into an alcoholic trying to make up for lost time. I agree ascension alone doesn't fix the syndrome, that deep scarring does change your brain chemistry. I'm still an abused dog from missing out on teen love and it does make you crave the experiences you missed and hoarding them becomes a way to heal the past pain it's a natural reaction. But the real recovery comes when you get enough of those positive interactions and support from people to finally feel real and then shift your focus to what you actually want without needing sex as constant address proof or validation support of your worth.

The only way a normie or LTN could have some of that experience is if it's their first boyfriend, like this subhuman here:

Otherwise, I think it's very difficult, especially if the foid is experienced.

 

[TechnoBoss]

I'm an abused dog myself literally went years feeling completely invisible and when I finally started getting pussy I did go through that phase of degeneracy chasing sex. I even made a post about how I almost turned into an alcoholic trying to make up for lost time. I agree ascension alone doesn't fix the syndrome, that deep scarring does change your brain chemistry. I'm still an abused dog from missing out on teen love and it does make you crave the experiences you missed and hoarding them becomes a way to heal the past pain it's a natural reaction. But the real recovery comes when you get enough of those positive interactions and support from people to finally feel real and then shift your focus to what you actually want without needing sex as constant address proof or validation support of your worth.

I completely agree and like I said I was the exact same. I just disagree with the last part of what you said.

But the real recovery comes when you get enough of those positive interactions and support from people to finally feel real and then shift your focus to what you actually want without needing sex as constant address proof or validation support of your worth.

Part of this is getting sex. You don't value sex the same way because you get it now with your GF and such. It's like having a bunch of water in a desert and looking at someone who's been walking through the desert with no water and saying "water isn't that important"

I get it that the analogy I made isn't 100% accurate to what you mean. But you got sex and made up for lost time. The sex was valuable to make up for that lost time. Getting support, validation, positive interactions, and SEX (which is a part of validation) is what made you able to be comfortable with yourself.

Indirectly, most men are paying for relationships, "hur duh, I didn't pay to sleep with her," but in the end, you spend more than half your salary to maintain her luxurious lifestyle, and when does all this end? A good example of this is this couple here.
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That's a cope. I didn't ever pay anything in my relationships. I just did the most minimal stuff like going on coffee dates, but I actually enjoyed that. It was with women who weren't ran through. I wasn't paying to have sex with some girl who just got done getting creampied by 10 guys that day. I was just paying for coffee or some food occasionally because going on real dates is part of being human. Paying a bit sometimes is part of being a man. I am not discounting the benefits that some people get from seeing escorts/prostitutes, but it isn't for me & relationships are not all transactional. People think it's transactional because of dumb money copers who aren't good looking and can only get women with money.

 

[GonorrhoeaGobbler]

It might be normal for the average Joe and therefore not an achievement but its very rare for a genetic dead-end to have it, a truecel loosing his virginity is an achievement for truecels

 

[Mess]

And before anyone says all relationships are transactional, I don't believe so.

Isn't every relationship, including friendship, transactional? It's all conditional, your friends would ditch you if you become an outcast. Your partner would leave you if you became an asshole. The only truely unconditional love that I can think of is of a mother's, and even that is iffy for some people.

 

[swt]

it’s an achievement for status or if you get children from it but realistically it’s boring af

 

[TechnoBoss]

Isn't every relationship, including friendship, transactional? It's all conditional, your friends would ditch you if you become an outcast. Your partner would leave you if you became an asshole. The only truely unconditional love that I can think of is of a mother's, and even that is iffy for some people.

Some relationships are transactional, sure, but just because there are "conditions" like "if you become an asshole they won't like you" doesn't mean it's transactional.

 

[alchemy]

In relative terms solving advanced mathematics problems is an achievement because every other shitter knows some calculus. The ceiling is so tall and also undefined that you might as well decide if what you do is an achievement. If you're at the bottom of the barrel even getting out of the bed is an achievement. If you're a billionaire overachiever making yet another 5 million venture is barely worth thinking about it.

It's relative.

 

[Gargantuan]

It can be an achievement, but only when it results in reproduction with someone from your own tribe.
Outside of that, it’s not an achievement at all. In fact, it becomes a waste at that point.

 

[Troglodyte452]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. Rising up and winning even when the odds are all stacked against you. That is real winning. These are real achievements worthy of bragging about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes. Real dopomaine from knowing you beat the world.

after losing my virginity I really couldn't be bothered to keep trying to slay tinder sluts or going to clubs. Pulling 'real' girls that aren't on tinder/in the clubs thanks to improving yourself feels better

 

[Eskorbutin]

Sex without sexual tension is just sad to me but that's my opinion. Id rather train or sleep unless I'm really horny

 

[mrdouchebag]

Sex with a beautiful woman? A considerable achievement.
Sex with a beautiful woman who desires you? A great achievement.
Everything else? Meh.
Drop your standard low enough and 95% of people can have sex. Plenty of ugly old whales waiting for a chance to get railed by literally anyone.
The rest 5% can probably afford 50 euros to bang a prostitute if they live in Europe.

 

[alchemy]

Sex with a beautiful woman? A considerable achievement.
Sex with a beautiful woman who desires you? A great achievement.
Everything else? Meh.
Drop your standard low enough and 95% of people can have sex. Plenty of ugly old whales waiting for a chance to get railed by literally anyone.
The rest 5% can probably afford 50 euros to bang a prostitute if they live in Europe.

Some of it is greatly situational. People overestimate looks for specific scenarios. If you're the only good looking fella that happens to match her preference you can outcompete better looking men. RTT Chad might not do so well with a specific type of woman, etc. It all depends. In the end what you want is matters. Someone could be an incel but if they're enjoying their life it's hard to argue 'muh you're ugly'.

Your brain chemistry decides it all.

 

[eyezen]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. Rising up and winning even when the odds are all stacked against you. That is real winning. These are real achievements worthy of bragging about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes. Real dopomaine from knowing you beat the world.

Dnr but agree

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon

Isn't an achievment eather tbh.

Read everything.
I agree.
I would say that having bonded with another human in a specific way, loving someone dearly and building something with them is something greater then all these things.

Ultimately, the goal is being happy and healthy.

Sex can under some circumstances definetly play a role in that.

But i agree. The act itself isn't any major goal or anything.
But i wouldn't dismiss it completely yk?

Good thread, although we are extremely different people with extremely different views.

 

[chudcopehardmaxer]

W redpilled mindset, I actually agree with you although I've never had sex before.
On a real note tho building the requirements you need to have sex (looks and charisma) are achievements so having easier access to sex is just a reward from achieving those

 

[Sprinkles]

Title. Having sex is not an achievement. While it’s true that reaching that point requires real effort like building confidence, facing rejection, improving social skills, losing weight, looksmaxing and overcoming years of feeling undesirable. I know how hard it is. Ive been through all of it. The struggle is valid and the personal growth that comes with it is worth celebrating. Becoming someone who can have intimate relationships with women when it once felt impossible is indeed meaningful progress

But the act of sex itself doesn’t qualify as an achievement. Achievements means sustained effort, skill, or creation that goes beyond normal adult life. It means mastering a craft, building a career, overcoming major adversity, or creating something of lasting value. Building a legacy. Sex is a basic human experience once you’ve done the work to become attractive it is a natural, recurring part of life not any kind rare trophy.

Earning a six figure salary or a senior title through years of deliberate skill building, transforming your body to deadlift 2-3x your bodyweight, run a sub-3 hour marathon through disciplined training, publishing a book, releasing an album, shipping software used by thousands, or becoming a licensed tradesman earning top rates, building an investment portfolio worth six or seven figures. Rising up and winning even when the odds are all stacked against you. That is real winning. These are real achievements worthy of bragging about. Real trophies that are evidence of discipline, competence, and contribution that endure long after the moment passes. Real dopomaine from knowing you beat the world.

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