Height Maxing Mega Thread

[whitebitchslayer]

only guy here with a working brain. If you arent deficient in Hgh its a complete waste of time, i would rater put that money in ETF's/indexes, and just wait until i have enough money for LL (assuming u get a good enough job)

AI is legit, but monitor it. Crashing E is the worst thing u can do.

low e > high e

 

[AscendableReal]

low e > high e

Ofcourse, but be careful with that. what im saying is that HGH is bs

 

[whitebitchslayer]

Ofcourse, but be careful with that. what im saying is that HGH is bs

Its rly not, there are documented cases on this forum of serous height gains

 

[keife]

yes people with HGH deficiency should take it.

only guy here with a working brain. If you arent deficient in Hgh its a complete waste of time, i would rater put that money in ETF's/indexes, and just wait until i have enough money for LL (assuming u get a good enough job)

AI is legit, but monitor it. Crashing E is the worst thing u can do.

I’ve seen studies showing hgh and ai can make u taller even when not deficient tho?

 

[whitebitchslayer]

I’ve seen studies showing hgh and ai can make u taller even when not deficient tho?

thats what the whole damn thread is about

 

[keife]

thats what the whole damn thread is about

I know I js said it in reply to the guys claim that hgh does nothing in non deficient people, as i haven’t read everything in ur post and what I read was about people with hgh deficiency

 

[Adonis123]

Introduction

How can I get taller? This question is asked multiple times a day on this forum and it's honestly exhausting. Here's what you are going to do about it:

First let's talk about how the human body grows. During childhood and puberty the space between your bones is soft and flexible, allowing an increase in bone length. HGH (human growth hormone) and IGF1 (insulin-like growth factor 1) stimulate bone growth, making you taller. At around ages 18-20 in men and 13-15 for women an excess of estrogen (specifically E2) causes epiphyseal fusion. The previously soft space between bones hardens and you will not grow any more.

If your growth plates are closed then you will not get taller. You can stretch or practice good posture but you won't actually be any taller without the use of Limb lengthening surgery.

For those of you who have open growth plates, there is still a way to increase height beyond your genetic limit. We can use a variety of drugs and hormones to artificially induce a growth spurt, but we will look at those later.

If you aren't sure whether your growth plates are open, go to an orthopedic surgeon or any clinic with a radiologist or other specialized personnel that can read x-rays. Obviously it won't be free but you can check if your plates are still open, make sure to x-ray wrist plates (which close first) and knees (which close last). Even if both are closed the plates in your spine may be open, but they are not practical to x-ray.

Now let's talk about how to force your body to grow artificially. There are many guides and tutorials suggesting numerous drugs, supplements, or hormones to increase height. Most of these are fake. The ONLY way growth will increase is by increasing HGH and IGF1. The commonly suggested methods are taking anavar, mk677, hgh injections, aromatase inhibitors, and testosterone replacement therapy. We will go over all 5 of these methods, analyze whether they actually work, determine recommended dosages, and example pros and cons. We will also discuss other factors such as diet, body fat percentages, and spine compression due to lifting.


Anavar

Anavar, also known as oxandrolone is a very popular drug for body building and usually talked about during HGH stacks. We will focus on the potential height increasing effects of anavar.

There are 3 major studies regarding oxandrolone treatment for idiopathic growth failure (growth deficiency without identifiable cause), all of which are listed at the end, but I will summarize the results. At an average dosage of 0.25 mg/kg children were treated for 6 continuous months, after which they were observed for another 6. All 3 studies found that oxandrolone treatment vastly increases height velocity for the 6 months of treatment, growing over twice as fast as normal while their bone age remains rising at a steady rate. The results for the first 6 months were extremely positive and suggest usage. However during the 2nd 6 months all subjects had a dramatic increase in bone age and decrease in height velocity. By the end of the study, the subjects predicted adult height decreased by as much as a mean of 3.5 cm in one study.

These results suggest that overall anavar is not recommended due to inverse effects on height gain over bone age, however if used perfectly could be beneficial. If we time anavar treatment at the end of the process it could prove beneficial. For example if your height goal is 6’5” and after other methods of treatment for 1.5 years, you get to 6’4”, anavar could be used to push past the finial plateau and reach target height, however it should not be used earlier due to aforementioned effects on final predicted height.

If you do decide to take anavar, the suggested dosage is 20mg daily, taken in the mornings. (note this should be taken with a test base, not by itself)

Pros:

Muscle gain
Temporary height velocity increase

Cons:

Liver toxicity
Decrease in overall predicted height

Side effects:
Liver disease
Heart attack
Stroke
Heart disease
Mood disorders


Overall I would not suggest anavar/oxandrolone treatment for increasing height.


MK-677

Mk-677, also known as ibutamoren, causes an increase in growth hormone secreation. While this sounds great, it does not increase height directly.

While MK-677 has shown to increase growth hormone levels in humans and animals by up to 1.8 times, it does not increase levels of IGF1. This is due to the increase in SST (somatostatin) in the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus is responsible for regulating hormone expression in the body, normally the large increase in HGH levels would correlate to IGF1 levels increasing, however this case is an exception. Because IGF1 and HGH are both required to facilitate bone lengthening, MK-677 will not cause increases in height.

While MK-677 has been shown to not directly increase height, it may correlate to increased growth due to its most common side effect, increased appetite. Malnutrition is a common cause of growth deficiency and we will discuss later how being overly lean restricts height. The increase in appetite may cause an increase in nutrients, subsequently allowing more growth in some individuals.

If you do decide to take MK-677, then the suggested dosage is 25 mg daily, taken in the mornings.

Pros:
Cheap
Mass gainer
Easy to get
legal

Cons:
No height increase
Waste of money
Causes crazy appetite

Side effects:
Hunger
Swelling
Anxiety
Increased heart rate


Overall I would not suggest MK-677/ibutamoren treatment for increasing height.


HGH Injections

Human growth hormone, or HGH injections are objectively the best, guaranteed way to increase height (with open growth plates).

Human growth hormone is exactly what it sounds like, the hormone which causes growth in humans. We are injecting more of that right into our bodies, instead of going through the trouble of having our bodies produce more.

The effects of growth hormone injections are fairly linear, with increases of 7-8 cm in subjects with idiopathic short stature on doses of 0.3-0.4 mg/kg weekly. The HGH directly results in increased IGF1, which is shown to increase height. Growth hormone is relatively expensive and hard to get, but it is worthwhile as no other drug, both on this list or in existence, causes height gains as well as HGH. In order for it to be effective it is best taken with a test base and AIs (aromatase inhibitors) to keep growth plates open and height velocity extremely high. Due to the nature of growth plate closure and hormonal balance, it is ideal to grow as much as possible in a short time rather than slow and steady as you run the risk of being stopped by epiphyseal fusion.

If you do decide to take it, doses should start at 2iu injected daily, but can be increased from there. Note that it will require a lot of needles and a lot of growth hormone (plus AI and TRT).

Pros:
Increases height substantially
Simple
Directly influences IGF1 productions

Cons:
Expensive
Can be hard to get
Requires lots of needles every day.

Overall I would recommend HGH injections for increasing height, as it is the best way hands down.


AIs

Aromatase inhibitors, more commonly referred to as AIs are a vital drug when it comes to hardcore PED usage and anything with hormones (height maxing in this case). They work by reducing an enzyme called aromatase which converts androgens (male hormones) into estrogens (female hormones). More specifically they are used to lower E2 levels, a type of estrogen called estradiol. Estradiol is the main type of estrogen, followed by estrone (present in postmenopausal females) and estriol (produced during pregnancy).

The most common AIs used are Anastrozole (arimidex), Letrozole (femara), and Exemestane (aromasin). All of them do the same thing but letrozole is much stronger, and not recommended for recreational usage like this. Aromasin is currently the most recommended for keeping E2 levels low during cycles but arimidex can also be used.

While AIs are professionally used in the treatment of hormone-receptive breast cancer in postmenopausal women, it is also used for the treatment of boys with short stature and constitutional delay of puberty. Our use will be to keep E2 at an acceptable level to prevent premature epiphyseal fusion (growth plate closure). In theory aromatase inhibitors, if used right, could prevent growth plate closure for an extended period of time. This means you can keep going until you’re satisfied. (Within reason of course, they will close eventually regardless, we are just slowing down the inevitable.)

While this has shown that aromatase inhibitors are very useful to keep growth plates open, they will not make you much taller on their own. They mainly serve to stop closure due to other drugs discussed like testosterone and anavar. It will need to be paired with HGH at the minimum to be useful.

The dosage for AIs varies greatly from person to person, as well as the type of AI used. If you are using arimidex then it is suggested you start at 1.5mg daily and change dosage based on blood tests and overall feeling. If you are using aromasin the recommended starting dosage is 12.5mg daily. Again, it varies greatly based on E2 levels and REQUIRES regular blood tests.


Pros:
Keeps E2 in healthy levels
Prevents growth plate closure
Healthy for you

Cons:
Expensive
Requires blood tests
Can be hard to find the right dosage for you

Side effects:
Joint pain
Bone loss
Swelling
Insomnia
Liver abnormalities

Overall I would recommend AIs for increasing height, it is basically required.


TRT

TRT, or testosterone replacement therapy simply refers to injecting a testosterone easter to greatly increase present levels. The most popular easters are Cypionate, Propionate, and Enanthate. Testosterone enanthate, commonly referred to as “testE” is the most popular due to the long half life and affordability.

A sudden increase in testosterone has been shown to prematurely close growth plates, this is because testosterone is converted into estrogen (specifically E2 discussed earlier), which causes epiphyseal fusion. This is why a large number of uneducated teens who take steroids without doing proper research end up prematurely closing their growth plates. However, if testosterone is taken with the proper aromatase inhibitors, it can increase height velocity through the secretion of HGH and IGF1. It is even shown that testosterone enhances the effect of pre-existing growth hormone on the production of IGF1 while maintaining an individual anabolic effect.

This is very important because testosterone has the power to cause large height gains and increase muscle mass to maintain the same physique while growing despite lengthening in limbs and muscle inserts. It is vital that TRT be taken properly with AIs and HGH for its maximum effect.

If you decide to take it, recommended dosages range greatly from 200mg/week to 600mg/week depending on experience and natural levels. I would recommend starting at 400mg/week, injected in 200 mg two times each week.


Pros:
Cheap
Easy to get
Naturally occurring in your body

Cons:
Can cause growth plate closure if too much is converted into estrogen
Hormonal imbalance has numerous side effects

Side effects:
Gyno
Acne
Cold sweats
Insomnia
Hair loss
Erectile dysfunction

Overall I would recommend TRT/testosterone for increasing height, with the proper precautions.

Other Factors

There are a few other important factors commonly discussed, I will briefly go over them.

Diet: Protein, calcium, and vietnam D are important for facilitating growth, but overall make miniscule differences in the long run.

Body fat: The ideal body fat percent for height growth is from 15%-20%. Being too lean causes a stunt in height due to lack of energy/nutrients (this is commonly seen in young body builders) but too high body fat will result in excess estrogen and earlier growth plate closure.

Lifting: It is a surprisingly common misconception that lifting heavy, especially compound movements, will stunt growth at a young age. Research disproves this entirely as the weight is not enough to stop natural growth.

Conclusion

After examining the 5 major methods of increasing height, the concussion drawn is that the absolute best way to get height gains is through human growth hormone injections, testosterone replacement therapy, and aromatase inhibitors working together throughout the late years of puberty, with the possibility of anavar for short term gains near the predicted time of epiphyseal fusion. The optimal circumstances to grow discussed at the end may also help for anyone in early puberty.

Links to threads documenting my personal height ascension will be added as it progresses, with blood tests, measurements, and dosages.

All sources and research documentation is below.

TLDR: GO FUCK YOURSELF

Spoiler: SOURCES

Anavar:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2584350/
https://academic.oup.com/ejendo/article-abstract/59/2/307/6894345?redirectedFrom=fulltext
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/505173

Mk-677:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6240568/#:~:text=The treatment group showed no,2).
https://academic.oup.com/endo/article-abstract/140/4/1552/2990303?redirectedFrom=fulltext
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6240568/

HGH/IGF1:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4114101/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4454940/#sec12

AIs:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557856/

TRT
https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0005/ea0005p161
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9844962/#:~:text=This may compromise adult height,finished linear growth (1).

But what if I’m scared of needles

 

[HandsomeHustler]

I’ve seen studies showing hgh and ai can make u taller even when not deficient tho?

Hghis often used on people with ISS those studies are the most interesting

 

[keife]

Hghis often used on people with ISS those studies are the most interesting

Why’s that? Wouldn’t hgh with normal people as that would show what would happen to us

 

[HandsomeHustler]

Why’s that? Wouldn’t hgh with normal people as that would show what would happen to us

ISS are normal people, Idiopathic short stature (ISS) means there is no lack of hormones or some genetic anomaly, they are just short.

 

[meathead]

ISS are normal people, Idiopathic short stature (ISS) means there is no lack of hormones or some genetic anomaly, they are just short.

Why’s that? Wouldn’t hgh with normal people as that would show what would happen to us

No

Idiopathic short stature means theres no identifiable reason. Theres always a reason for smth its just lack of research.

 

[HandsomeHustler]

No

Idiopathic short stature means theres no identifiable reason. Theres always a reason for smth its just lack of research.

familial short stature which is a form of ISS, is most interesting. True there always is a reason, but their hormones arent at fault but rather their parents are short, not lack of research, genes. HGH is also used to treat familial short stature

 

[keife]

ISS are normal people, Idiopathic short stature (ISS) means there is no lack of hormones or some genetic anomaly, they are just short.

I must’ve got confused with another condition, cheers for clarification will read more into it