Height stack, 15M 173cm, lmk

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yonashk said:
53kg, very underweight ik, on big bulk
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u messed up real bad being underweight around the ages 12-15 is literally the biggest height grow killer and now the only way the only weight to actually grow taller is to check if ur grow pallets are still open and pin hgh i had it the same, i had perfect sleep both of my parents are 180cm+ and i was 15 and around 173cm.
 
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Tor1n said:
u messed up real bad being underweight around the ages 12-15 is literally the biggest height grow killer and now the only way the only weight to actually grow taller is to check if ur grow pallets are still open and pin hgh i had it the same, i had perfect sleep both of my parents are 180cm+ and i was 15 and around 173cm.
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Yeah i regret it a lot, totally just fucked myself over and now I gotta do all this stuff, but it's gna be alr. Sorry you also had to go through that, how tall are you rn?
 
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yonashk said:
Yeah i regret it a lot, totally just fucked myself over and now I gotta do all this stuff, but it's gna be alr. Sorry you also had to go through that, how tall are you rn?
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rn i am 17 and 180-181cm and pallets are closed
 
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infrainfra said:
do 0,067mg/kg DAILY of somatropin (1mg=3iu) i would add a non aromatizable androgen to nuke test alongside the e2 even more. the only ancillary u need is the berberine nigga u dont need blood pressure meds ur cycle is chill.

good luck
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So 9 ius of somatropin then? And sorry, why are we aiming to nuke test? I'm only worried about an androgen just cause of the fact of possible long term damage, but it can mostly be mitigated which is what I'm learning. I'm also just worried about the blood pressure cause my family has a risk of diabetes.
 
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yonashk said:
Is this fr? sorry I genuinely can't tell if its satire. Tren maybe but I was against the idea of taking lots of other things to combat it's neurotoxicity
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not satire at all, one of the best compounds to run (if done safely) for puberty maxxing and just overall dimorphism
 
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Doom0 said:
not satire at all, one of the best compounds to run (if done safely) for puberty maxxing and just overall dimorphism
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I was looking into it, and correct me if I'm wrong, but since I'm still trying to keep my e2 levels somewhat there, tren or other androgens would fuse my plates quicker since it's not a 0 e2 environment?
 
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Doom0 said:
not satire at all, one of the best compounds to run (if done safely) for puberty maxxing and just overall dimorphism
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there are better ways than tren for example pin nandrolone and go to gym 3 times a week. Tren will fuck you up
 
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Tor1n said:
there are better ways than tren for example pin nandrolone and go to gym 3 times a week. Tren will fuck you up
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this, longevity and safety is #1, but if you can run tren safely and control the sides its golden
 
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Doom0 said:
this, longevity and safety is #1, but if you can run tren safely and control the sides its golden
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tren definitely has really nice effects but like I said earlier wouldn't any androgen cause my plates to fuse due to there still being low-normal amounts of e2 in my system?
 
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yonashk said:
tren definitely has really nice effects but like I said earlier wouldn't any androgen cause my plates to fuse due to there still being low-normal amounts of e2 in my system
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well if you plan on using androgens you need to run a test base which can be very low combined with daily pins to avoid excess e2, lowering your e2 further using Ai's is also an option although those wont do much if you're gonna run a very high test dose, so keep the test >100. And even if you didnt do that, growth plates dont work as some on and off switch that can instantly get shut by too much estrogen, estrogen just damages your plates and closes them slowly over time, very high spikes in e2 over a short period of time arent as serious (still bad dont get me wrong) compared to something like insanely elevated e2 over 5 months. (which very likely will close your plates lmao)
 
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yonashk said:
tren definitely has really nice effects but like I said earlier wouldn't any androgen cause my plates to fuse due to there still being low-normal amounts of e2 in my system?
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also i dont really understand your point that much could you elaborate more?
 
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Doom0 said:
also i dont really understand your point that much could you elaborate more?
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looking at your other reply I have a better understanding. Basically I was just tryna say that (from my knowledge) with regular e2 levels, androgens would accelerate growth plate age which would cause the plates to close, people usually who run androgens have a stronger ai dose which leaves their e2 levels significantly lower than what I would be running, leaving me to be more vulnerable. But from my understanding this is incorrect right?
 
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yonashk said:
looking at your other reply I have a better understanding. Basically I was just tryna say that (from my knowledge) with regular e2 levels, androgens would accelerate growth plate age which would cause the plates to close, people usually who run androgens have a stronger ai dose which leaves their e2 levels significantly lower than what I would be running, leaving me to be more vulnerable. But from my understanding this is incorrect right?
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this is wrong, estrogen is the main signal for growth plate closure. And with androgens are you talking about aromatising or non aromatizing ones?, Its obvious that aromatising androgens such as high dose testosterone will accelerate growth plate age by the rise in e2. and why would adding androgens while having regular e2 levels accelerate growth plate closure? Unless you're talking about aromatising androgens which could directly cause your e2 to get higher. But thats why i suggested Tren with a low test base to avoid messing with your e2 at all and to reap the benefits of tren.
 
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Doom0 said:
this is wrong, estrogen is the main signal for growth plate closure. And with androgens are you talking about aromatising or non aromatizing ones?, Its obvious that aromatising androgens such as high dose testosterone will accelerate growth plate age by the rise in e2. and why would adding androgens while having regular e2 levels accelerate growth plate closure? Unless you're talking about aromatising androgens which could directly cause your e2 to get higher. But thats why i suggested Tren with a low test base to avoid messing with your e2 at all and to reap the benefits of tren.
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yeah I get that, it's just a thing I heard people talking about often, 'androgens/anabolics will accelerate bone age because of the binding to androgen receptors', a study that could back this is
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5426240/
although it's talking about test and not exactly non aromatizing androgens.
I've also heard that due to them stimulating alkaline phosphatase and osteoblast differentiation, this is why people often say that even non aromatizing androgens can accelerate growth velocity, but leads to them closing sooner.

I'm just trying to understand, you seem a lot more informed on this stuff than me lol
 
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So 9 ius of somatropin then? And sorry, why are we aiming to nuke test? I'm only worried about an androgen just cause of the fact of possible long term damage, but it can mostly be mitigated which is what I'm learning. I'm also just worried about the blood pressure cause my family has a risk of diabetes.
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well if u nuke test u nuke e2 EVEN harder and ais dont reslly work for local e2
 
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infrainfra said:
well if u nuke test u nuke e2 EVEN harder and ais dont reslly work for local e2
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so you recommend that i just fully nuke my e2? I was trying to keep it around 15pg/ml just for the lesser chance of weak bones or cognitive decline. Also, don't we need test for growth just in general?
 
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yonashk said:
so you recommend that i just fully nuke my e2? I was trying to keep it around 15pg/ml just for the lesser chance of weak bones or cognitive decline. Also, don't we need test for growth just in general?
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X-pg of estrodial is funny because your body upregulates the receptors to compensate. no it turns out the same in terms of time of the senescence. no you do not need testosterone its benefits are replaced by an androgen
 
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yonashk said:
yeah I get that, it's just a thing I heard people talking about often, 'androgens/anabolics will accelerate bone age because of the binding to androgen receptors', a study that could back this is
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5426240/
although it's talking about test and not exactly non aromatizing androgens.
I've also heard that due to them stimulating alkaline phosphatase and osteoblast differentiation, this is why people often say that even non aromatizing androgens can accelerate growth velocity, but leads to them closing sooner.

I'm just trying to understand, you seem a lot more informed on this stuff than me lol
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i mean androgens have an INSANELY minimal affect on the actual closure of growth plates which is always mainly driven by estrogen, the amount of times a cell can divide before it stops dividing in resting zone chondrocytes (chondrocytes in growth plates) is insanely large before its aged, also looking at aromatase deficient studies we can see that people with aromatase deficiency (insanely low e2), have elevated androgens and grow very tall without estrogen, we dont have the true explanation behind this but looking at studies we can see that it works. and in the non existent scenario that ones plate have been ''closed'' by androgens, they would be insanely tall that it wouldnt even matter.
 
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sorry just genuinely trying to understand a bit more
if you're not keeping e2 levels in a certain pg, than how can that be an accurate measurement at all? Is the only reliable way just to tank them? And also, not trying to sound like an iqlet, but there are lots of studies showing how low/zero e2 in the brain leads to cognitive decline due to the brain relying on estradiol for development.
thanks for all the help so far <3

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forgot to reply mb​

 
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Doom0 said:
i mean androgens have an INSANELY minimal affect on the actual closure of growth plates which is always mainly driven by estrogen, the amount of times a cell can divide before it stops dividing in resting zone chondrocytes (chondrocytes in growth plates) is insanely large before its aged, also looking at aromatase deficient studies we can see that people with aromatase deficiency (insanely low e2), have elevated androgens and grow very tall without estrogen, we dont have the true explanation behind this but looking at studies we can see that it works. and in the non existent scenario that ones plate have been ''closed'' by androgens, they would be insanely tall that it wouldnt even matter.
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that makes a lot of sense. So do you just recommend for me to use a low-dose of test along with a non aromatizing androgen like tren? What do you think of anavar? It seems to not have as much benefits but it's also less toxic from what I've seen. And are neuroprotection stacks and sleepstacks on tren necessary even for a low dose?
sorry for so many questions lol
 
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yonashk said:
that makes a lot of sense. So do you just recommend for me to use a low-dose of test along with a non aromatizing androgen like tren? What do you think of anavar? It seems to not have as much benefits but it's also less toxic from what I've seen. And are neuroprotection stacks and sleepstacks on tren necessary even for a low dose?
sorry for so many questions lol
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yeah sure anavar is great but running it long term could be risky considering its an oral steroid which has pretty bad effects on your liver but tbh ts is pretty mild, im currently running it but mainly for physique gains. id suggest you do a low test base+tren and maybe something like very low dose anavar or masteron. (for a longer period of time), also tren sides are pretty overrated you should be fine on a moderate dosage
 
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Doom0 said:
yeah sure anavar is great but running it long term could be risky considering its an oral steroid which has pretty bad effects on your liver but tbh ts is pretty mild, im currently running it but mainly for physique gains. id suggest you do a low test base+tren and maybe something like very low dose anavar or masteron. (for a longer period of time), also tren sides are pretty overrated you should be fine on a moderate dosage
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Kk, can you also maybe just say a typical low-dose? of course I'll do my own research but I just want to know a baseline low-dose, especially since I'm not the biggest guy and will need to start probably lower
 
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yonashk said:
Kk, can you also maybe just say a typical low-dose? of course I'll do my own research but I just want to know a baseline low-dose, especially since I'm not the biggest guy and will need to start probably lower
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200, is my go to tbh
 
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Tor1n said:
u messed up real bad being underweight around the ages 12-15 is literally the biggest height grow killer and now the only way the only weight to actually grow taller is to check if ur grow pallets are still open and pin hgh i had it the same, i had perfect sleep both of my parents are 180cm+ and i was 15 and around 173cm.
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Is this actually true? I was underweight most of my life but I don't think it had a big impact on my height
 
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Attila The Hun said:
Is this actually true? I was underweight most of my life but I don't think it had a big impact on my height
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it's more about a calorie deficit than just being underweight in itself. if you're not eating enough calories or nutrients, and probably under maintenance or cutting calories, your body just simply won't have the resources to grow
 
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