Heightpill from British slags

[Fiqh]

The sources in Shia books which indicate tahreef are misinterpreted by sunnis, but there's legit evidence in the sunni corpus of distortion of the Quran more so than Shia. There's a Hadith in sahih bukhari/muslim (I forget which one) which indicates that a goat ate some verses in the Quran and that they're lost forever.

Bring me the hadeeth.



@Hamdan @ʾAbū al-Qāsim @Greycel Slayer

 

[Deleted member]

Why do you Islamic refugee niggas live there then if you hate it so much? Why not move back to Islamabad and live comfortably amongst your own?

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[Deleted member]

Maher only

 

[TsarTsar444]

We are the "parasite" when Shia's constantly insult the sahaba?

We are the parasite when Shia's only accept Ahlul Bayt and the Qur'an (albeit them claiming that it has been 'changed').

My guy if this is True Islam then you need a rude awakening:

Based, Muawiya and his son killed Hussein. Jfl at wahabi cucks

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Bring me the hadeeth.



@Hamdan @ʾAbū al-Qāsim @Greycel Slayer

#قصة داجن الذي أكل آيات الرجم و رضاعة الكبير ( وثائق )

روى ابن ماجه بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم،

ورضاعة الكبير عشرا،
ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته، دخل داجن فأكلها.

سنن ابن ماجه ج 1 ص 625
.سنن ابن ماجه بشرح السندي » كتاب النكاح » باب رضاع الكبير1944 حدثنا أبو سلمة يحيى بن خلف حدثنا عبد الأعلى عن محمد بن إسحق عن عبد الله بن أبي بكر عن عمرة عن عائشة وعن عبد الرحمن بن القاسم عن أبيه عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلهاقوله ( ورضاعة الكبير ) يدل على أن ثبوت حكم الرضاع في الكبير كان بعشر مرات ولا يلزم منه أن يكون الحكم في الصغير ذلك (ولقد كان ) أي ذلك القرآن بعد أن نسخ تلاوة مكتوبا
(في صحيفة تحت سريري ) ولم ترد أنه كان مقروءا بعد إذ القول به يوجب وقوع التغيير في القرآن

وهو خلاف النص أعني

قوله تعالى إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون (داجن ) هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها والله أعلم

حكم الألباني على حديث ابن ماجه بأنه حسن:نوع الحديث: حســن نص الحديث: عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلها
( حسن )
_ التعليق على ابن ماجه .
( داجن : هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم .

وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها )


روى أبو يعلى الموصلي عن عائشة قالت: لما نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا، فلقد كانت في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.مسند أبي يعلى الموصلي ج 8 ص 64

روى الطبراني بسنده عن عائشة قالت: نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاع الكبير عشرا، فلقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.


روى الدارَقطني بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد أنزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا، فلقد كانت في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم اشتغلنا بموته، فدخل الداجن فأكلها.سنن الدارقطني ج 4 ص 105

روى ابن حزم بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم والرضاعة، فكانتا في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.

قال أبو محمد(ابن حزم) :

وهذا حديث صحيح...المحلى ج 11 ص 235قال الذهبي في السير: قَالَ الشَّيْخُ عزّ الدِّيْنِ بنُ عَبْدِ السَّلاَم وَكَانَ أَحَدَ المُجْتَهِدين: مَا رَأَيْتُ فِي كُتُبِ الإِسْلاَم فِي العِلْمِ مِثْل المحلَّى لابْنِ حَزْم وَكِتَاب المُغنِي لِلشَّيْخِ مُوَفَّق الدِّيْنِ ـ قُلْتُ: -الذهبي-: لَقَدْ صَدَقَ الشَّيْخُ عزّ الدِّيْنِ. انتهى.

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Bring me the hadeeth.



@Hamdan @ʾAbū al-Qāsim @Greycel Slayer

enjoy habibi these are all the sources

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

#قصة داجن الذي أكل آيات الرجم و رضاعة الكبير ( وثائق )

روى ابن ماجه بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم،

ورضاعة الكبير عشرا،
ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته، دخل داجن فأكلها.

سنن ابن ماجه ج 1 ص 625
.سنن ابن ماجه بشرح السندي » كتاب النكاح » باب رضاع الكبير1944 حدثنا أبو سلمة يحيى بن خلف حدثنا عبد الأعلى عن محمد بن إسحق عن عبد الله بن أبي بكر عن عمرة عن عائشة وعن عبد الرحمن بن القاسم عن أبيه عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلهاقوله ( ورضاعة الكبير ) يدل على أن ثبوت حكم الرضاع في الكبير كان بعشر مرات ولا يلزم منه أن يكون الحكم في الصغير ذلك (ولقد كان ) أي ذلك القرآن بعد أن نسخ تلاوة مكتوبا
(في صحيفة تحت سريري ) ولم ترد أنه كان مقروءا بعد إذ القول به يوجب وقوع التغيير في القرآن

وهو خلاف النص أعني

قوله تعالى إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون (داجن ) هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها والله أعلم

حكم الألباني على حديث ابن ماجه بأنه حسن:نوع الحديث: حســن نص الحديث: عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلها
( حسن )
_ التعليق على ابن ماجه .
( داجن : هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم .

وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها )


روى أبو يعلى الموصلي عن عائشة قالت: لما نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا، فلقد كانت في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.مسند أبي يعلى الموصلي ج 8 ص 64

روى الطبراني بسنده عن عائشة قالت: نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاع الكبير عشرا، فلقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.


روى الدارَقطني بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد أنزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا، فلقد كانت في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم اشتغلنا بموته، فدخل الداجن فأكلها.سنن الدارقطني ج 4 ص 105

روى ابن حزم بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم والرضاعة، فكانتا في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.

قال أبو محمد(ابن حزم) :

وهذا حديث صحيح...المحلى ج 11 ص 235قال الذهبي في السير: قَالَ الشَّيْخُ عزّ الدِّيْنِ بنُ عَبْدِ السَّلاَم وَكَانَ أَحَدَ المُجْتَهِدين: مَا رَأَيْتُ فِي كُتُبِ الإِسْلاَم فِي العِلْمِ مِثْل المحلَّى لابْنِ حَزْم وَكِتَاب المُغنِي لِلشَّيْخِ مُوَفَّق الدِّيْنِ ـ قُلْتُ: -الذهبي-: لَقَدْ صَدَقَ الشَّيْخُ عزّ الدِّيْنِ. انتهى.

@GriffithMaxx

 

[try2beme]

Mtb majority

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Bring me the hadeeth.



@Hamdan @ʾAbū al-Qāsim @Greycel Slayer

don't ever talk about tahrif again bro its not gonna end well for you

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Mtb majority

some of them are cute idk what hes on about he just doesn't like white girls

 

[TsarTsar444]

Almost all are mtb at least and im not even attracted to blonde girls at all

 

[Fiqh]

#قصة داجن الذي أكل آيات الرجم و رضاعة الكبير ( وثائق )

روى ابن ماجه بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم،

ورضاعة الكبير عشرا،
ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته، دخل داجن فأكلها.

سنن ابن ماجه ج 1 ص 625
.سنن ابن ماجه بشرح السندي » كتاب النكاح » باب رضاع الكبير1944 حدثنا أبو سلمة يحيى بن خلف حدثنا عبد الأعلى عن محمد بن إسحق عن عبد الله بن أبي بكر عن عمرة عن عائشة وعن عبد الرحمن بن القاسم عن أبيه عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلهاقوله ( ورضاعة الكبير ) يدل على أن ثبوت حكم الرضاع في الكبير كان بعشر مرات ولا يلزم منه أن يكون الحكم في الصغير ذلك (ولقد كان ) أي ذلك القرآن بعد أن نسخ تلاوة مكتوبا
(في صحيفة تحت سريري ) ولم ترد أنه كان مقروءا بعد إذ القول به يوجب وقوع التغيير في القرآن

وهو خلاف النص أعني

قوله تعالى إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون (داجن ) هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها والله أعلم

حكم الألباني على حديث ابن ماجه بأنه حسن:نوع الحديث: حســن نص الحديث: عن عائشة قالت لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلها
( حسن )
_ التعليق على ابن ماجه .
( داجن : هي الشاة يعلفها الناس في منازلهم .

وقد يقع على غير الشاة من كل ما يألف البيوت من الطير وغيرها )


روى أبو يعلى الموصلي عن عائشة قالت: لما نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا، فلقد كانت في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.مسند أبي يعلى الموصلي ج 8 ص 64

روى الطبراني بسنده عن عائشة قالت: نزلت آية الرجم، ورضاع الكبير عشرا، فلقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.


روى الدارَقطني بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد أنزلت آية الرجم، ورضاعة الكبير عشرا، فلقد كانت في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم اشتغلنا بموته، فدخل الداجن فأكلها.سنن الدارقطني ج 4 ص 105

روى ابن حزم بسنده عن عائشة قالت: لقد نزلت آية الرجم والرضاعة، فكانتا في صحيفة تحت سريري، فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم تشاغلنا بموته، فدخل داجن فأكلها.

قال أبو محمد(ابن حزم) :

وهذا حديث صحيح...المحلى ج 11 ص 235قال الذهبي في السير: قَالَ الشَّيْخُ عزّ الدِّيْنِ بنُ عَبْدِ السَّلاَم وَكَانَ أَحَدَ المُجْتَهِدين: مَا رَأَيْتُ فِي كُتُبِ الإِسْلاَم فِي العِلْمِ مِثْل المحلَّى لابْنِ حَزْم وَكِتَاب المُغنِي لِلشَّيْخِ مُوَفَّق الدِّيْنِ ـ قُلْتُ: -الذهبي-: لَقَدْ صَدَقَ الشَّيْخُ عزّ الدِّيْنِ. انتهى.

Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1. It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2. It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3. It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)

Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1. It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2. It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3. It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)

Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

I’ll read this cope when I’m bothered and respond to it in due time insha’ allah

 

[Fiqh]

JFL btw can you translate what he sent, i dont understand arabic fully

He's talking about this hadeeth:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
[Sunan Ibn Majah 1944]

 

[Nameless King]

Not a single MTB spotted in video

they were literally all mtb apart from a few others were htb, a couple ltb and 2:16 was stacylite

ur standards are inflated, mtb is meant to be average

 

[RandomSwan]

allah knew muslims are so subhuman that he promised them pussy in heaven

 

[gr34ter]

You know "taller" is codeword for 6'2+

Even that 5'3 girl instinctively said taller and then realised most guys are taller than her. She wants 6'2.

nah id say like 5'10+

 

[SecularIslamist]

allah knew muslims are so subhuman that he promised them pussy in heaven

MENA women fog th we whores.

they were literally all mtb apart from a few others were htb, a couple ltb and 2:16 was stacylite

ur standards are inflated, mtb is meant to be average

Tbh they're not bad - even factoring in my dislike of whites. But they are around 17-18 I think. They will all descend within the next couple of years for sure..

 

[Fiqh]

I said, “What about the Imam, what is his status?” He said, “He hears but does not see or face them

• "The Imams possess all the knowledge granted to angels, prophets and messengers"
• "The Imams know when they will die, and they do not die except by their own choice"
• "The Imams have knowledge of whatever occurred in the past and whatever will happen in the future, and nothing is concealed from them"
• "The Imams have knowledge of all the revealed books, regardless of the languages in which they were revealed"
• "No one compiled the Qur’aan completely except the Imams, and they encompass all of its knowledge''
• "Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams"
• "When the Imams' time comes, they will rule in accordance with the ruling of the Prophet David and his dynasty. These Imams will not need to ask for presentation of evidence before passing their judgements"
• "There is not a single truth possessed by a people save that which originated with the Imams, and everything which did not proceed from them is false"
• "All of the earth belongs to the Imams"

[Al-Kulaini, Al-Kaafi]

> Mohammad bin Eisa said: Ibrahim bin Abd Al-Hameed told us in the year one hundred and ninety-eight in Al-Masjid Al-Haram, he said, “I entered upon Abi Abdullah and he brought out a mus-haf,” I went through it and found in it, “This is the Hellfire **that you two have used to deny; burn their in without life nor death,**” meaning: the two first (caliphs).

The hatred the Shi'ites have for the Caliph 'Umar reached such a pitch that they gave his murderer Abu Lu'lu'ah Al-Majoosi the title ''Baba Shujaa'ud-Din (the one who is brave in the cause of religion. 'Ali bin Mathahir, a Shi'ite narrator of traditions, reported that Ahmad bin Ishaq Al-Qummi Al-Ahwas, a sheikh of the Shi'ites, said; "Verily the day Umar was murdered is the greatest day of celebration, the day of pride and honour, the day of great purification and the day of blessing and consolation."

> “And our traditions that **tahrif and fallout (of verses) happened in the Quran are mutawatir**, so we can’t deny them. And strange, strange how is that Saduq, Ameen of Islam at-Tabarsi and al-Murtada in some of their books rejected it, and claimed that what was revealed by Allah, that is this (what) is recorded (in present Quran), in this (stance) is rejection of MUTAWATTIR narrations”. (Nurul Anwar fi sharhil Sahifa as-Sajadiyah, p 43 by Nematullah Jazairi).

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

The same applies to those among them who claim that some verses of the Qur’aan have been taken away or concealed, or who claim to have some esoteric interpretations that exempt him from having to do the actions prescribed in sharee’ah etc., who are called al-Qaraamitah and al-Baatiniyyah, and who include al-Tanaasukhiyyah [names of esoteric sects]. There is no dispute that they are kaafirs.

Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 3/1108-1110.

Ibn Hazm said:

The view that the Qur’aan has been altered is blatant kufr and is a rejection of what the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said.

Al-Fasl fi’l-Ahwa’ wa’-Milal wa’l-Nihal, 4/139.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Niggas turned my heightpill thread into a theology class.

 

[Fiqh]

Niggas turned my heightpill thread into a theology class.

mb for hijacking the thread

 

[SecularIslamist]

@StuntmanMike rate these 100% British WHITE women.

 

[SecularIslamist]

ruling other then Allahs law is kufr akbar, why r u secular?

Very few countries today apply the shari'ah authentically. I am in favour of a caliphate.

 

[SecularIslamist]

may Allahs biggest curse be upon abu lulu the jahannami kafir

Are you shia?

 

[SecularIslamist]

why would i be

Sorry I thought you had angry reacted @Fiqh post.

 

[infini]

not watched yet but fuck this country, hence why my avi is a UK flag being burned

Fuck off back to pakistan then and make a 1st world society then report back then.

 

[Deleted member 54067]

Fuck off back to pakistan then and make a 1st world society then report back then.

i already said i was born in this country not an immigrant

 

[SecularIslamist]

Fuck off back to pakistan then and make a 1st world society then report back then.

Those third world countries might be sewers but they lifestyle and culture mog any western country. Just visited grocery store and saw a 12 year old snatch something out and old ladies trolley and her friends were laughing.

This would be unthinkable for a 12 year old in other "shitholes".

 

[infini]

Those third world countries might be sewers but they lifestyle and culture mog any western country. Just visited grocery store and saw a 12 year old snatch something out and old ladies trolley and her friends were laughing.

This would be unthinkable for a 12 year old in other "shitholes".

If that helps you cope.

Go over there too if you feel this way.

 

[SecularIslamist]

If that helps you cope.

It's true. What culture or moral guidelines do anyone follow here? You've got trannies and homosexuals walking everywhere.

Go over there too if you feel this way.

I will once they develop. Even Brits wanna leave and come UAE and Saudi.

 

[infini]

I will once they develop. Even Brits wanna leave and come UAE and Saudi.

"Brits".

 

[Deleted member 54067]

Just visited grocery store and saw a 12 year old snatch something out and old ladies trolley and her friends were laughing.

now keep in mind this same country has many girls as young as 12-15 who already get drunk on hard alcohol, this is what makes me envious of americans and other european countries

fuck i hate this shit country so much its literally the reason why im incel, to get a gf here who is a virgin and non degenerate you literally need to go for single digit age children which is obviously impossible

 

[Afterchanger]

Not a single MTB spotted in video (except 2:16).

same women who go to feminist protests btw

 

[StuntmanMike]

@StuntmanMike rate these 100% British WHITE women.

Average slavic germanic and nordic fog them for sure.
However i would still eat them alive.
LTB+ White woman is everything

 

[Ricky212]

I'm literally shaking fucksakes, the heightpill has stripped me of everything

 

[Deleted member 54067]

Even 12 year old dress like sluts, have sex with 20 guys by 16, .

forgot to reply to this but it's 100% true. this country allows braindead NTfags to fuck 20+ girls by the time they are 16 and there are many sluts with body counts of 20, 30, 40 by the time they finish high school. makes me feel like i have toddler level experience compared to these cunts

 

[flippasav]

Not a single MTB spotted in video (except 2:16).

Well if I met their standards I would still tell them fuck off

 

[SecularIslamist]

Well if I met their standards I would still tell them fuck off

Based.

 

[Debetro]

OP what age do you estimate these women to have

 

[SecularIslamist]

OP what age do you estimate these women to have

Have what? Sex? They're likely 17-18ish since it says sixth form. Majority have done it maybe a few (LTB and below) who have not

 

[GriffithMaxx]

I’ll read this cope when I’m bothered and respond to it in due time insha’ allah

The mental gymnastics Sunnis try to do when trying to convince you of something is always hilarious and equivalent to that of a Christian trying to convince you of the holy trinity, the logic is full of holes and quickly begins to fall apart. Best part is you can use their hadith to disprove them. Anyways, it's just a waste of time to argue religion with them, especially here. They lack critical thinking and anytime spent trying to have a conversation is a waste of time which is why I don't even bother. You shouldn't bother arguing religion here, especially with people who have the IQ of an autist.

 

[yeeyeeslayer]

The mental gymnastics Sunnis try to do when trying to convince you of something is always hilarious and equivalent to that of a Christian trying to convince you of the holy trinity, the logic is full of holes and quickly begins to fall apart. Best part is you can use their hadith to disprove them. Anyways, it's just a waste of time to argue religion with them, especially here. They lack critical thinking and anytime spent trying to have a conversation is a waste of time which is why I don't even bother. You shouldn't bother arguing religion here, especially with people who have the IQ of an autist.

Yeah i dont plan on arguing just wanted to dunk on him with the plethora of hadiths in his corpus which unequivocally prove distortion of the Quran, I don't plan on engaging with his cope essay at least not now.

 

[CursedOne]

imagine being british

 

[Researcher of Incel]

We are here to conquer, shut up. It's just a shame it's a slow, long process. But the British Caliphate will be announced by 2100.

You aren’t conquering shit nigga. Save your shithole countries first before you start thinking about your delusions of grandeur

 

[Researcher of Incel]

God you guys are so primitive Jesus Christ how did you retards convince 1 billion tools to follow this suifeul religion

 

[m0ss26]

I love my Shia niggas. Let’s unite and exterminate every Sunni parasite together

I’m not even religious but notice how Shia counties like Iran, Azerbaijan, Lebanon don’t contribute whatsoever to the surge of crime in Europe (only iraqis). On the other hand pakis, afghanis, somalis, and Syrians are shooting up crime rates. Again I’m not religious and have nothing against any of those countries just an observation

 

[Greycel Slayer]

Bring me the hadeeth.



@Hamdan @ʾAbū al-Qāsim @Greycel Slayer

I don't really care too much to reply but goat eating quran has been refuted countless times. Also, any claim about quran being forgotten/lost cannot be made because of ma nanshakh min ayatin ao nunsiha ao nati bikhairin minha ao misliha

 

[Greycel Slayer]

I’m not even religious but notice how Shia counties like Iran, Azerbaijan, Lebanon don’t contribute whatsoever to the surge of crime in Europe (only iraqis). On the other hand pakis, afghanis, somalis, and Syrians are shooting up crime rates. Again I’m not religious and have nothing against any of those countries just an observation

Eh pointless to argue who blows up who. People will slaughter one an another over the most trivials of matters.
Lonly, purposeless, attention deprieved, depressed, and desperate men will go towards any lengths to feel important. Even if it means killing somebody. It boosts their value in the gang.

 

[ʾAbū al-Qāsim]

Bring me the hadeeth.



@Hamdan @ʾAbū al-Qāsim @Greycel Slayer

What a moron, this is like a David Wood argument.

 

[Fiqh]

What a moron, this is like a David Wood argument.

Have you seen where him and AP have been recently?