Help 17 yo

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

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What all surgeries would i need to ascend to hmtn or htn(17 year old) or would it be better to take something

 

[Resistance.]

i cant see

 

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

i cant see

 

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

gotta get to mtn in the first place though

 

[Resistance.]

bro pls send side photos not 3/4

 

[dogpound]

Christ almighty

 

[vermicel]

From the side profile, assuming lens distortion is minimal and the angle isn't too misleading :
your face is flat, it lacks convexity. Your brow ridge, radix, and tip/columella need more forward projection.
Your chin is also slightly recessed.
Your eyes should be more deep-set, they seem to bulge out, and the peri-orbital colouring could indicate a lack of support.
Finally, your ears are too big (and flared ?).

Surgeries :
eyes -> orbital decompression + infra implant
nose -> grafting
chin -> at least a genioplasty (or an implant), but you might need some other complementary type of jaw surgery
ears -> otoplasty (reduction)

Here's a quick morph to illustrate every potential modification needed :

 

[theprox]

From the side profile, assuming lens distortion is minimal and the angle isn't too misleading :
your face is flat, it lacks convexity. Your brow ridge, radix, and tip/columella need more forward projection.
Your chin is also slightly recessed.
Your eyes should be more deep-set, they seem to bulge out, and the peri-orbital colouring could indicate a lack of support.
Finally, your ears are too big (and flared ?).

Surgeries :
eyes -> orbital decompression + infra implant
nose -> grafting
chin -> at least a genioplasty (or an implant), but you might need some other complementary type of jaw surgery
ears -> otoplasty (reduction)

Here's a quick morph to illustrate every potential modification needed :

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high effort, proudly going to be ur 1st rep.

 

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

From the side profile, assuming lens distortion is minimal and the angle isn't too misleading :
your face is flat, it lacks convexity. Your brow ridge, radix, and tip/columella need more forward projection.
Your chin is also slightly recessed.
Your eyes should be more deep-set, they seem to bulge out, and the peri-orbital colouring could indicate a lack of support.
Finally, your ears are too big (and flared ?).

Surgeries :
eyes -> orbital decompression + infra implant
nose -> grafting
chin -> at least a genioplasty (or an implant), but you might need some other complementary type of jaw surgery
ears -> otoplasty (reduction)

Here's a quick morph to illustrate every potential modification needed :

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I see, thank you that was really helpful

 

[Whirr22222]

From the side profile, assuming lens distortion is minimal and the angle isn't too misleading :
your face is flat, it lacks convexity. Your brow ridge, radix, and tip/columella need more forward projection.
Your chin is also slightly recessed.
Your eyes should be more deep-set, they seem to bulge out, and the peri-orbital colouring could indicate a lack of support.
Finally, your ears are too big (and flared ?).

Surgeries :
eyes -> orbital decompression + infra implant
nose -> grafting
chin -> at least a genioplasty (or an implant), but you might need some other complementary type of jaw surgery
ears -> otoplasty (reduction)

Here's a quick morph to illustrate every potential modification needed :

View attachment 4336198

His eye bulge isnt awful tbh I dont think he needs orb decompression. Deep set eyes are wayyy overrated also.

 

[vermicel]

His eye bulge isnt awful tbh I dont think he needs orb decompression.

You may be right. His midface's lack of projection brings out the slight eye bulge. With adequate projection, the latter would be less noticeable.

Same morph as above, but without modifying the eye area :

I still think deep-set eyes may give his face an edge, a more striking look, in accordance with his htn goal.

@ChoppedArachnophobe can you post a front profile ? Maybe you tried in your first post, but the pic doesn't show.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

You may be right. His midface's lack of projection brings out the slight eye bulge. With adequate projection, the latter would be less noticeable.

Same morph as above, but without modifying the eye area :

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I still think deep-set eyes may give his face an edge, a more striking look, in accordance with his htn goal.

@ChoppedArachnophobe can you post a front profile ? Maybe you tried in your first post, but the pic doesn't show.

mirin high effort bro
i need this kind of morphing for my upcoming trimax

 

[vermicel]

i need this kind of morphing for my upcoming trimax

Just tag me if you post pictures and need them morphed. I'll take care of it if I'm around (although my skills are pretty limited tbh ... other people here could certainly do a better job).
Or PM them. I'm just not sure my account allows private communication yet.

 

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

You may be right. His midface's lack of projection brings out the slight eye bulge. With adequate projection, the latter would be less noticeable.

Same morph as above, but without modifying the eye area :

View attachment 4336550

I still think deep-set eyes may give his face an edge, a more striking look, in accordance with his htn goal.

@ChoppedArachnophobe can you post a front profile ? Maybe you tried in your first post, but the pic doesn't show.

Front profile is worse,here
This is right after a bulk im gonna hard cut again tho

 

[william.]

From the side profile, assuming lens distortion is minimal and the angle isn't too misleading :
your face is flat, it lacks convexity. Your brow ridge, radix, and tip/columella need more forward projection.
Your chin is also slightly recessed.
Your eyes should be more deep-set, they seem to bulge out, and the peri-orbital colouring could indicate a lack of support.
Finally, your ears are too big (and flared ?).

Surgeries :
eyes -> orbital decompression + infra implant
nose -> grafting
chin -> at least a genioplasty (or an implant), but you might need some other complementary type of jaw surgery
ears -> otoplasty (reduction)

Here's a quick morph to illustrate every potential modification needed :

View attachment 4336198

he cant reach that with surgeries

 

[vermicel]

Front profile is worse,here

I don't know if it's worse tbh.

This pic probably offers a distorted view of reality (not in your advantage), because it's been taken too close to your face.
Knowing that, take my comments below with a grain of salt.

The front profile tends to confirm that both your eye area and nose need work.

As guessed from your side profile, the eyes lack under support, thus causing hollowness and a pronounced tear. It could be fixed with an infra implant and fat grafting (maybe the latter would suffice, but I'm not sure).
Also, your eyes would benefit from a canthoplasty to correct the canthal tilt. At this point, it is neutral or slightly negative, and gives you a sleepy look.
Eyebrows have a nice fullness and proper length, however they sit a bit too high above your eyes. Not sure if you can fix that, although injecting botox in the brow ridge might relax it and lower the eyebrows.

Due to a lack of projection of your nose tip and columella, nostril exposure is a bit excessive.
There is also some uneveness along the bridge.
Both may be corrected with grafting. I'm not sure to which extent (realistically).
Nose width (alar base) is fine though.

In the morph below, I have addressed the aforementioned issues and also cleared your skin, added a tiny bit of width to your mouth (lower lip in particular) to improve nose to mouth width ratio, and made your jaw angles & chin a bit more angular. I guess your jaw and chin are a bit wider in reality than on this pic (due to being taken too close), so they've been adjusted accordingly.

Once added up, those minute changes do improve your overall looks quite significantly. I would say the "after" matches your htn goal based on objective aesthetics, but there is an inherent ethnic bias that I am not able to gauge (i.e. how you would be perceived within your own ethnic group).

On the plus side, after corroborating the side & front profiles, you seem to have a robust mandible and chin, long ramus, good hair (head, eyebrows, eyelashes), bright sclera, and tight skin (good once cleared). Oh, and your ears do not flare.

 

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

Wow that was detailed and helpful,
Appreciate it bro

 

[vermicel]

Keep in mind that pictures do not necessarily allow reliable assessments. Lighting, angles, and motion can all change perceived attractiveness. So don't get too hung up about my comments, especially as I'm not an authority on this topic. I should also encourage you to proceed with a lot of caution when it comes to surgeries, as their effects are mostly irreversible. Please do not rush any procedure.
In accordance with that word of caution, make sure to do things in the right order :
first, you should softmax. Clear up your skin with proper hygiene (food, sleep, skincare routine). Optimize your hair style. Seek regular orthodontic treatment if your teeth are crooked/crowded, and have them whitened if need be.
Once you're completely softmaxed, if you still feel the need to improve, look into reversible procedures. In your personal case, some filler injections to improve angularity of the jaw & chin may be a good idea. Same with trying to lower your eyebrows with botox in the brow ridge (not sure about the efficiency of that one ; would need further research). Fat grafting under the eyes isn't really reversible, but it's not really risky (if done well, obviously) and has high chances to look natural. All these procedures also have the advantage of being affordable. You won't need a high budget and/or several years of savings to fund them and maintain results.
Only then should you consider hardmaxing, especially if you don't suffer from any functional issue (no malocclusion, no obstructed airways, etc.). Based on your pics, I think canthoplasty might be the surgery with the best cost/risk/impact ratio, so the one to start off with. While augmenting your nose's structure with grafts is a technical possibility, I don't know realistically to which extent, and whether or not the results would be worth the risk and investment ; you will have to do further research on this topic.
Good luck !

 

[ChoppedArachnophobe]

Yeah ill softmaxx for now but ill be looking into the surgeries
Thank you