Help me design first cycle (my info included)

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

I’m: 6’5, turning 17, weigh 87kg, 16% BF

Ive been going gym for 2 1/2 years seriously and with a good diet and have to the point of minimal muscle/stength return.
Im pretty big on longevity and on having kids in like 20 years so that’s why I’ve been put off it

Here’s my ideas rn (basing that I will get every and ancillary needed for on cycle support)

1) 500 test with AI - for like 16 weeks

2) 250 to 300 test with maybe a small dose of EQ or AI if needed - for like two years

3) 175 to 200 Test - forever

And for all of these circumstances, I will be running 4 ius of GH and lots of HCG - maybe 6 to 8 months

My questions are if I already have low natural test and I do PCT after cycle 1 would my natural test may be increase with the use of a good PCT protocol.
How bad this is for my health
And if I start TRT now, is it a problem with kids in 20 so years.

Also a question I’m probably gonna get flamed for will I see an increase in bone mass in my face like when I look more masculine from this?

 

[dragomog]

500 test

 

[Deleted member 52550]

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[Indigoakaclarkkent]

500 test

The pct or TRT? Will I be able to increase my natural production whilst doing this through proper PCT methods?

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

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I heard it’s kind of ass, which out of my three options do you think I should go for?

 

[Deleted member 52550]

I heard it’s kind of ass, which out of my three options do you think I should go for?

all of it

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

all of it

Wym

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

Bump

 

[canthohexum]

I’m: 6’5, turning 17, weigh 87kg, 16% BF

Ive been going gym for 2 1/2 years seriously and with a good diet and have to the point of minimal muscle/stength return.
Im pretty big on longevity and on having kids in like 20 years so that’s why I’ve been put off it

Here’s my ideas rn (basing that I will get every and ancillary needed for on cycle support)

1) 500 test with AI - for like 16 weeks

2) 250 to 300 test with maybe a small dose of EQ or AI if needed - for like two years

3) 175 to 200 Test - forever

And for all of these circumstances, I will be running 4 ius of GH and lots of HCG - maybe 6 to 8 months

My questions are if I already have low natural test and I do PCT after cycle 1 would my natural test may be increase with the use of a good PCT protocol.
How bad this is for my health
And if I start TRT now, is it a problem with kids in 20 so years.

Also a question I’m probably gonna get flamed for will I see an increase in bone mass in my face like when I look more masculine from this?

Add 19 Nors

 

[peterk1287]

I’m: 6’5, turning 17, weigh 87kg, 16% BF

Ive been going gym for 2 1/2 years seriously and with a good diet and have to the point of minimal muscle/stength return.
Im pretty big on longevity and on having kids in like 20 years so that’s why I’ve been put off it

Here’s my ideas rn (basing that I will get every and ancillary needed for on cycle support)

1) 500 test with AI - for like 16 weeks

2) 250 to 300 test with maybe a small dose of EQ or AI if needed - for like two years

3) 175 to 200 Test - forever

And for all of these circumstances, I will be running 4 ius of GH and lots of HCG - maybe 6 to 8 months

My questions are if I already have low natural test and I do PCT after cycle 1 would my natural test may be increase with the use of a good PCT protocol.
How bad this is for my health
And if I start TRT now, is it a problem with kids in 20 so years.

Also a question I’m probably gonna get flamed for will I see an increase in bone mass in my face like when I look more masculine from this?

Why are you pcting ? Only pct if your done with roiding forever

 

[kyre]

1) 500 test with AI - for like 16 weeks

2) 250 to 300 test with maybe a small dose of EQ or AI if needed - for like two years

3) 175 to 200 Test - forever

just pin trt and take a stronger androgen while keeping health in check.

And for all of these circumstances, I will be running 4 ius of GH and lots of HCG - maybe 6 to 8 months

gh is good combined with roids but dont take hcg during cycle, youll just desentisize to it by the time you get off

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

Why are you pcting ? Only pct if your done with roiding forever

Yup, i only want to do this, reap all the benefits then sustain them once I’m done

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

just pin trt and take a stronger androgen while keeping health in check.

Like what?

 

[scarrfxce]

Do 200mg p/w forever. I've done higher doses and although it does feel good, it's generally horrible for your health as well somewhat challenging to control your e2. I myself am doing the same, with 200mg p/w you get the mental benefits along with the physical ones while also staying healthy.

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

Do 200mg p/w forever. I've done higher doses and although it does feel good, it's generally horrible for your health as well somewhat challenging to control your e2. I myself am doing the same, with 200mg p/w you get the mental benefits along with the physical ones while also staying healthy.

Smartest thing I’ve read on org, that’s exactly what i was thinking but everyone saying that you wont see any good benifit and a waste of money ect. But the only concern i have w that is fertility, any advice? And how freq do u inject bec after a while it surely is a pain

 

[scarrfxce]

Smartest thing I’ve read on org, that’s exactly what i was thinking but everyone saying that you wont see any good benifit and a waste of money ect. But the only concern i have w that is fertility, any advice? And how freq do u inject bec after a while it surely is a pain

Honestly, I myself don't care about my fertility but in general HCG or HMG will return your fertility back to it's original state. The thing with taking HCG long term is that you build immunity to it eventually. My advice would be to get T with a good quality carrier oil, usually Test Cyp is less thick oil wise which is the better choice. Something I wish I knew when I started because you will get huge lumps or pain when you inject regularly. For needles, 21g to draw is good for most people and to inject either 27g or 30g (I do 30g). There is no difference between subQ injections and intramuscular injections so simply choose what's best for you, just a huge misconception that keeps on being spread. IDEALLY, injecting EOD is your best bet stability wise, side effect wise and just everything. You inject less each time which will probably hurt less, using 30g needles is also beneficial for EOD. With EOD the thing that is best is that you stay in a constant peak because you're timing it exactly when it reaches it's peak concentration. Mental clarity is what is most important for me which is why I choose to do EOD. Otherwise 2-3 injections a week is good as well. Just do what's convenient for you.

 

[Indigoakaclarkkent]

Honestly, I myself don't care about my fertility but in general HCG or HMG will return your fertility back to it's original state. The thing with taking HCG long term is that you build immunity to it eventually. My advice would be to get T with a good quality carrier oil, usually Test Cyp is less thick oil wise which is the better choice. Something I wish I knew when I started because you will get huge lumps or pain when you inject regularly. For needles, 21g to draw is good for most people and to inject either 27g or 30g (I do 30g). There is no difference between subQ injections and intramuscular injections so simply choose what's best for you, just a huge misconception that keeps on being spread. IDEALLY, injecting EOD is your best bet stability wise, side effect wise and just everything. You inject less each time which will probably hurt less, using 30g needles is also beneficial for EOD. With EOD the thing that is best is that you stay in a constant peak because you're timing it exactly when it reaches it's peak concentration. Mental clarity is what is most important for me which is why I choose to do EOD. Otherwise 2-3 injections a week is good as well. Just do what's convenient for you.

Thank you so much for the advice, i might actually do just this, with this did you see like a good amount of muscle/strenth gain too? Im talking like 15kg in 2 yearsish also how was the mental side of things does it still feel great and through when your on that? And any bad side effects too it and do you take lots of ancilleries ect for them?

 

[scarrfxce]

Thank you so much for the advice, i might actually do just this, with this did you see like a good amount of muscle/strenth gain too? Im talking like 15kg in 2 yearsish also how was the mental side of things does it still feel great and through when your on that? And any bad side effects too it and do you take lots of ancilleries ect for them?

I saw really good gains, strength was amazing too and generally working out felt much better on T. Mentally you just experience clarity, you have the opportunity to develop intellectually and spiritually but I doubt you'll be looking into that. Generally what helps more is stability, the male hormonal cycle runs on a 24h basis which means you'll feel the high and the fluctuation which T gets rid of. Bad sides for me was hair loss but that was mainly caused by my iron deficiency and I didn't really take ancillaries but I would recommend you do for the maximum benefits.

 

[kyre]

Like what?

tren dhb or deca are pretty solid. theres many more but these arent that harsh on health