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yeah lmao a lot of people here dont know anything about what theyre talking aboutlefort 3 bro are you serious… no doctor would ever agree on doing this on him ever u have no clue
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yeah lmao a lot of people here dont know anything about what theyre talking aboutlefort 3 bro are you serious… no doctor would ever agree on doing this on him ever u have no clue
probably not true. his face is legitimately deformedlefort 3 bro are you serious… no doctor would ever agree on doing this on him ever u have no clue
i have a 5mm underbite where in the world would a surgeon be willing to do LF3 on meprobably not true. his face is legitimately deformed
well firstly, 5mm underbite is a lot. second, your whole midface is set back with the nose as well. I'd say you're a lefort 2/3 candidate combined with rhino, lefort 1 ccwr and genio. you should opt for a very high lefort 1 at least if you can't get lefort 2/3i have a 5mm underbite where in the world would a surgeon be willing to do LF3 on me
Sorry but you know that le fort 2 and especially le fort 3 is for extreme cases, you'll have to be literally deformed to get it.well firstly, 5mm underbite is a lot. second, your whole midface is set back with the nose as well. I'd say you're a lefort 2/3 candidate combined with rhino, lefort 1 ccwr and genio. you should opt for a very high lefort 1 at least if you can't get lefort 2/3
So basically rhino ,BSSO ccwr , high LF1 and genio ? do i add implants to the mix ?well firstly, 5mm underbite is a lot. second, your whole midface is set back with the nose as well. I'd say you're a lefort 2/3 candidate combined with rhino, lefort 1 ccwr and genio. you should opt for a very high lefort 1 at least if you can't get lefort 2/3
thats what i was saying , from my research people who get LF2s and 3s are literally very deformed and have underbites that are more than 10 or 12 mmsSorry but you know that le fort 2 and especially le fort 3 is for extreme cases, you'll have to be literally deformed to get it.
you obviously have no clue what you are talking about too. these are lf3 candidates. OBVIOUSLY not him. there will be NO surgeonprobably not true. his face is legitimately deformed
you obviously have no clue what you are talking about too. these are lf3 candidates. OBVIOUSLY not him. there will be NO surgeon
who will agree to perform a lefort 3 on a non syndrome patient especially for COSMETIC REASONSView attachment 3570747
His case pretty severlefort 3 bro are you serious… no doctor would ever agree on doing this on him ever u have no clue
do i look like the people in that picture lmao ?His case pretty sever
Moze, it's not considered clinically severe at 5mm. I'm telling you this because i've seen half a dozen surgeons.His case pretty sever
Moze is well intentioned but is completely wrong on this.do i look like the people in that picture lmao ?
Wow okay good you seem high iq snicketMoze is well intentioned but does not get everything right.
I'm working on making him a more rounded individual.
LF2-3 is reserved for syndromic cases in 99% of cases.Wow okay good you seem high iq snicket
yep thats what i noticedI've edited to completely wrong because Moze is unequivocally wrong here.
LF2-3 is reserved for syndromic cases in 99% of cases.
10mm+ is classed as severe.
The issue with a lot of users here is they are benchmarking against male models like Jordan Barrett with top tier forward growth instead of people with ordinary craniofacial development.yep thats what i noticed
yeah im definetely deformed to oblivion if you compare me to jordanThe issue with a lot of users here is they are benchmarking against male models like Jordan Barrett with top tier forward growth instead of people with ordinary craniofacial development.
canthoplasty otoplasty commissuroplastywhat more should i get to reach htn ? (money isnt a problem)
The goal of craniofacial sugery is normalization - not turning patients into models.yeah im definetely deformed to oblivion if you compare me to jordan
Why compare yourself to someone with excelent foward growth instead of normal people?, plus that to pull that look you'll also need to have everything else forwardly grown, not just maxilla and jaw.yeah im definetely deformed to oblivion if you compare me to jordan
It's can't be surgically replicated anyway. Natural growth will always trump surgery unfortunately.Why compare yourself to someone with excelent foward growth instead of normal people?, plus that to pull that look you'll also need to have everything else forwardly grown, not just maxilla and jaw.
i know i wasnt comparing my self to any model in the first place , i just want to look normal and get a base that i can work on at leastWhy compare yourself to someone with excelent foward growth instead of normal people?, plus that to pull that look you'll also need to have everything else forwardly grown, not just maxilla and jaw.
Yeah that's what i meant, even if it is achievable, it will still not look like the natural forward growth.It's can't be surgically replicated anyway. Natural growth will always trump surgery unfortunately.
You can improve on your base but you can't fundamentally change it.
yeah exactly , if only in the future something like cranium transplant appears ill be the first to get it jflYeah that's what i meant, even if it is achievable, it will still not look like the natural forward growth.
That's why "step-off" is a big concern even in high level LeForts among other things.Yeah that's what i meant, even if it is achievable, it will still not look like the natural forward growth.
he doesnt have Crouzon syndrome therefore he doesnt need (or could even get) a lefort 3.His case pretty sever
Unfortunately those are the only options that the medicine gives us, will take time until better tools and more time for advanced procedures to be out, hopefully sooner than later.That's why "step-off" is a big concern even in high level LeForts among other things.
I wish there were a silver bullet for a recessed maxilla but probably not during my lifetime.
yeah at least now i know what to get , so time to moneymaxx for the next 3 yearsThat's why "step-off" is a big concern even in high level LeForts among other things.
I wish there were a silver bullet for a recessed maxilla but probably not during my lifetime.
edited because unecessary overly agressive lolhe doesnt have Crouzon syndrome therefore he doesnt need (or could even get) a lefort 3.
Exactly, Having an actionable plan will put you in a much better place.yeah at least now i know what to get , so time to moneymaxx for the next 3 years
I’m so sorry bro.. omg this is horribleView attachment 3568741View attachment 3568743
Currently subh , what am i going to be if i get the following surgeries : Bimax +Rhino , Infras
And what other surgeries should i get to ascend to something socially acceptable like mtn ??
PS:If not obvious i have a severe underbite so maybe ill look better when i fix that
Sorry but you know that le fort 2 and especially le fort 3 is for extreme cases, you'll have to be literally deformed to get it.
what's the argument here? if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases you can find online including this woman.you obviously have no clue what you are talking about too. these are lf3 candidates. OBVIOUSLY not him. there will be NO surgeon
who will agree to perform a lefort 3 on a non syndrome patient especially for COSMETIC REASONS![]()
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ill have to check with a surgeon.what's the argument here? if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases you can find online including this woman.
and yes, severe recession is a deformity. i can't believe that i have to mention that in this forum.
i really dont get how u seriously think he is a lf3 candidate with a 5mm bite and non syndrom for cosmetical reasonswhat's the argument here? if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases you can find online including this woman.
and yes, severe recession is a deformity. i can't believe that i have to mention that in this forum.
@Snicket another one you can teach if u wantwhat's the argument here? if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases you can find online including this woman.
and yes, severe recession is a deformity. i can't believe that i have to mention that in this forum.
Can't be bothered. If I had a dime for every user advocating LeFort 3......@Snicket another one you can teach if u want
So if he was a le fort 3 case, and there are people with worse recessions than him, why aren't they prescribed to get le fort 3?, tell me, how many non syndromatic people tend to get le fort 3?, from serious professional surgeons.what's the argument here? if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases you can find online including this woman.
and yes, severe recession is a deformity. i can't believe that i have to mention that in this forum.
i really dont get how u seriously think he is a lf3 candidate with a 5mm bite and non syndrom for cosmetical reasons
i really dont get how u seriously think he is a lf3 candidate with a 5mm bite and non syndrom for cosmetical reasons
if you guys actually read up in the thread instead of raging up on me for 0 reason, you'd see that i didn't rush him for opting for lefort 3/2. the point that i made was that i think there is probably somewhere some reputable western surgeon out there who would perform it, maybe not as a first option but it's possible. i don't think he should opt for it either. but at this level of recession it's not a far stretch. i know personally a surgeon who preformed a lefort 2 on a less extreme deformed patient.So if he was a le fort 3 case, and there are people with worse recessions than him, why aren't they prescribed to get le fort 3?, tell me, how many non syndromatic people tend to get le fort 3?, from serious professional surgeons.
Why does org always think that this is a easy surgery, when i was back then in this forum it was used as a trolling, but now i actually see users begin serious about it.
okay. I disagree with that as I dont believe there will be a reputable surgeon accepting a lefort 3 even as a second option as its again not for these cases. I dont think we will come to a shared opinion here so lets just both agree to disagree or however you say it (english is not my first language)if you guys actually read up in the thread instead of raging up on me for 0 reason, you'd see that i didn't rush him for opting for lefort 3/2. the point that i made was that i think there is probably somewhere some reputable western surgeon out there who would perform it, maybe not as a first option but it's possible. i don't think he should opt for it either. but at this level of recession it's not a far stretch. i know personally a surgeon who preformed a lefort 2 on a less extreme deformed patient.
First of all, we aren't raging, i don't like to fight or anything, i like to keep the conversation as civilized as possible.if you guys actually read up in the thread instead of raging up on me for 0 reason, you'd see that i didn't rush him for opting for lefort 3/2. the point that i made was that i think there is probably somewhere some reputable western surgeon out there who would perform it, maybe not as a first option but it's possible. i don't think he should opt for it either. but at this level of recession it's not a far stretch. i know personally a surgeon who preformed a lefort 2 on a less extreme deformed patient.
When a person starts losing an argument, they resort to this kind of backsliding.you'd see that i didn't rush him for opting for lefort 3/2.
The only possible conclusion from this statement is that you thought OP should have a LeFort 2 or 3.if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases
Who? How bad was the patient's underbite?i know personally a surgeon who preformed a lefort 2 on a less extreme deformed patient.
You may interpret me however you wish, but that is literally not what I said.When a person starts losing an argument, they resort to this kind of backsliding.
Yet just one post earlier:
The only possible conclusion from this statement is that you thought OP should have a LeFort 2 or 3.
It's your own quote: "if you go by medical measurements he would be about as recessed as most lefort 3 cases".You may interpret me however you wish, but that is literally not what I said.
i don't think that every lefort 2/3 candidates should always opt for a lefort 2/3, because i am aware that it is a dangerous ass surgery that very few surgeons would preform. but that doesn't make them any less of lefort 2/3 candidates because by facial norms that's really what they are.
i just explained why i don't think it's as simple as it is but alright.If someone is recessed as most lefort 3 cases, the treatment is none other than LeFort 3 - there are no caveats to this.
He had about the same amount of underbite. i would share with you all the other details in private.Who was the surgeon who performed LF3 on a less severe patient and how severe was his underbite?
Could you at least provide some more info on this for my own interest. Thank you